04-22-2019, 09:49 PMJSS Wrote: exactly what my main man said above, that's ahlie @nour

04-22-2019, 10:46 PMSlashACM Wrote:

04-22-2019, 10:42 PMEsso2264 Wrote: you mean lost of SMJHL Legend Gareth Rush?

Gareth "inhale pee" rush

04-22-2019, 11:59 PMBlastmeaway Wrote:

04-22-2019, 10:46 PMSlashACM Wrote: Gareth "inhale pee" rush

No thats Zivan "Inhale Pee" Zidek

Gareth "O.D. on Pills" Rush is who you're thinking of

04-22-2019, 10:30 PMTommySalami Wrote: I understand the reasoning behind the rule, but the job of HO should be to make decisions impartially on behalf of the SMJHL in situations where the SMJHL cannot be impartial. When those that benefit from the ruling (everyone except COL & STL) disagree with the ruling, the SMJHL HO should take a look at changing the precedent in this situation.

I'm not even suggesting reversing this decision. It's just clear no one wants to play by this rule, so why make us?

04-22-2019, 11:25 PMJNH Wrote: C.  Why are we discounting the opinions of a minority?  If 51 people like something and 49 people don't, do we just get to say fuck the minority?  That some dumb shit.

04-23-2019, 12:02 AMSlashACM Wrote:

04-22-2019, 11:59 PMBlastmeaway Wrote: No thats Zivan "Inhale Pee" Zidek

Gareth "O.D. on Pills" Rush is who you're thinking of

I get all the nicknames confused

04-22-2019, 11:56 PMztevans Wrote:

04-22-2019, 11:49 PMBDonini Wrote: I still don't understand all the outrage in this thread. It's like JNH said here, it's still the GM's responsibility.


If my manager at work is responsible for a task and they hand that task off to me, I'm being paid to do that task but it doesn't clear my manager of his responsibility. If I mess up, I'll be held accountable but so will my manager as the task was their responsibility in the first place. Yes, there was a pick tracker and he didn't do his job properly but if a GM also has the responsibility to track his own picks then he's also partially at fault.

Imo there's no right or wrong option in this situation, HO could've justifiably given COL compensation for the pick just like they could justifiably deny COL of compensation for the pick.

I guess my biggest issue is that there's a well-established precedent for this exact scenario.  When a pick gets double-traded, the offending team loses an extra pick and the "receiving" team still gets the pick.  This precedent dates back several scenes and came back up very recently.

To go away from that precedent suddenly now because "it's the other team's fault too" ignores that in every other instance we've applied this result, the other team could have spotted the error as well.  Furthermore, HO seems to be leaning a bit on "Well, we've changed pick trackers since then" which, like, yeah, both teams have changed at least one GM since then.  That's only evidence of how badly the ball was dropped by all parties.  So making an exception to the precedent on this one occasion because "It's sorta Colorado's fault too" is really dangerous, imo.

04-22-2019, 11:34 PMkarey Wrote: Seriously, in before the next team gets screwed by an incorrect pick tracker.

I don't see how we can't hold the league (HO, Pick Tracker Updater) more responsible for mistakes like this rather than having to blame somebody especially when the GM's have valid reasons to how they made the mistake. Rules are so rigid. We are punishing for a mistake many capable GM's have made and many more will eventually make.

*seeing that this is the standard, I can sleep at night with consistency. I don't agree with the rule's rigidity, but it's the rule and I get that
however...

Head Office should be promoting Fairness (incomplete inaccurate trackers aren't fair),
justice (inconsistent rulings regarding who is at fault ie: Halifax and Colorado),
and Transparency (people would like to know about ongoing investigations and feel like part of the process)

I feel that throwing shade at JSS for letting us plebs know about the ongoing issue is inappropriate. As a league without elected representatives, I am as much a part of this league as those with non-elected status. Although my responsibility on this site is different, making people feel bad for letting us know whats going on behind the scenes, as well as silencing peoples disagreement with petty retorts are not qualities of a democracy.

04-22-2019, 11:56 PMztevans Wrote:

04-22-2019, 11:49 PMBDonini Wrote: I still don't understand all the outrage in this thread. It's like JNH said here, it's still the GM's responsibility.


If my manager at work is responsible for a task and they hand that task off to me, I'm being paid to do that task but it doesn't clear my manager of his responsibility. If I mess up, I'll be held accountable but so will my manager as the task was their responsibility in the first place. Yes, there was a pick tracker and he didn't do his job properly but if a GM also has the responsibility to track his own picks then he's also partially at fault.

Imo there's no right or wrong option in this situation, HO could've justifiably given COL compensation for the pick just like they could justifiably deny COL of compensation for the pick.

I guess my biggest issue is that there's a well-established precedent for this exact scenario.  When a pick gets double-traded, the offending team loses an extra pick and the "receiving" team still gets the pick.  This precedent dates back several scenes and came back up very recently.

To go away from that precedent suddenly now because "it's the other team's fault too" ignores that in every other instance we've applied this result, the other team could have spotted the error as well.  Furthermore, HO seems to be leaning a bit on "Well, we've changed pick trackers since then" which, like, yeah, both teams have changed at least one GM since then.  That's only evidence of how badly the ball was dropped by all parties.  So making an exception to the precedent on this one occasion because "It's sorta Colorado's fault too" is really dangerous, imo.

04-23-2019, 12:16 AMBaelor Swift Wrote: Honestly the fact that this is a recurring issue, regardless of punishment, is a clear sign we need to figure out a better way to hire a competent pick tracker. Because clearly there isn't one of those and there hasn't been one for some time.

04-23-2019, 12:17 AMnotorioustig Wrote:

04-23-2019, 12:16 AMBaelor Swift Wrote: Honestly the fact that this is a recurring issue, regardless of punishment, is a clear sign we need to figure out a better way to hire a competent pick tracker. Because clearly there isn't one of those and there hasn't been one for some time.

I'll vouch for @Weretarantula who is currently doing a fantastic job and is not involved in any of this bullshit