Right, but that's the slippery slope fallacy all over again.

Right, but if we let you start posting logical fallacy's as replys, you may eventually only post logical fallacy's as replies.

Are you saying we should allow people to use flawed logic to support their arguments? If someone presents decent logic I'll listen, but right now all I see is a group of people stopping racism and sexism with the power they've been given and a small select group of people resenting it with their arguments being one logical fallacy after another.

wow thats some hateful speech right there, only people who can logically construct arguments are allowed opinions????

/s

Aleksander Kozlov | C | 2027 TPE | Tampa Bay | Russia | S56

Name: Aleksander Kozlov

Born: February 4th, S38

Height: 6'2"

Weight: 208 lbs

Number: 13

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Gary Grease | D | 2031 TPE | Winnipeg Jets | Team Canada | S39-S54
Name: Gary Grease
Born: June 24th, S21
Height: 7'7"
Weight: 354 lbs
Number: 99
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History
S38: Drafted 19th overall by Colorado Mammoths
      Signed 1-yr/$3mil deal with Colorado Mammoths
S39: Drafted 12th overall by Winnipeg Jets
      Signed 3 year ELC with WPG
      Named Captain of Colorado Mammoths
      Won WJC Gold with Team Canada
S40: Called up to Winnipeg Jets
S41: Signed Extension With Winnipeg: 2x2million
S43: Won Aiden Richan Trophy (breakout star)
S44: Won challenge cup
S45: Won Turd Ferguson Trophy (most PIMS)

S56 1st Overall

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Right, but that's the slippery slope fallacy all over again.

Right, but if we let you start posting logical fallacy's as replys, you may eventually only post logical fallacy's as replies.

Are you saying we should allow people to use flawed logic to support their arguments? If someone presents decent logic I'll listen, but right now all I see is a group of people stopping racism and sexism with the power they've been given and a small select group of people resenting it with their arguments being one logical fallacy after another.

wow thats some hateful speech right there, only people who can logically construct arguments are allowed opinions????

/s

The way this site takes decent people causes them to rude like this infuriating. I'm done arguing over this, it doesn't do any good.

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Right, but that's the slippery slope fallacy all over again.

Right, but if we let you start posting logical fallacy's as replys, you may eventually only post logical fallacy's as replies.

Are you saying we should allow people to use flawed logic to support their arguments? If someone presents decent logic I'll listen, but right now all I see is a group of people stopping racism and sexism with the power they've been given and a small select group of people resenting it with their arguments being one logical fallacy after another.

Dude it was a joke.

I used the slipper slope fallacy, as a reply to your comment on slippery slopes.

Elections did not make this league a better place, I was in favor of the election system back when it was implemented but it simply didn't work very well. Bad candidates still got in, way more than through applications I'd argue, HO still got shit on constantly and wasn't any more "legitimate" in the eyes of the members, there were good decisions and bad decisions just like there are now and ultimately the members, the very people who got to vote, started to hate the system and pushed for the HO to abolish it. It wasn't some tyrannical HO who got rid of elections, it was an overwhelming majority of vocal members who wanted it and after some resistance, the HO finally complied. Accountability and transparency are important, but HO elections didn't really help us achieve those goals.

I'm guessing this happened behind closed doors, Cause i never saw any public comments about it being a bad thing. I'm fine with how it is now except from the part of having 3 people from the same team being on HO. i disagree that it wasnt any more legitimate than it is now, but we can agree to disagree ä.

We must have had different experiences with the system then because I remember people shitting on the election system a lot, especially towards its end. But maybe I was a bit more sensitive to this as an elected HO-member myself and the hatred wasn't as widespread as I thought, that's entirely possible. If I remember correctly there were public polls on that matter though were a significant portion of the league spoke out against the voting system.

I for one don't have a strong opinion here, returning an election system or at least some elective elements or a hybrid, like Hallsy suggested, could definitely work. My point just is that in the past, elections didn't automatically make things better and that we also didn't get rid of them because HO decided to go authoritarian, but because the members demanded it. And it's generally easier to ensure that someone isn't a troll and that he is willing to do the work through an application system than through an elective one. As someone else said earlier in this thread, when you get voted into the office through not much work of your own, then it's quite likely that that person won't be the most hard-working either once they are in HO. And that's what it felt like at times when I was in HO, people were voted in due to their popularity but then didn't do a whole lot. If someone has to submit a well thought-out application however and if the current HO can "vet" him in a sense, then chances are much higher that we will actually get a committed, hard-working person for the job. That doesn't mean that there won't be questionable picks of course, but there were plenty of those in both systems.

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This was actually the exact reason why I got rid of elections. I've also tried to go out of my way to ensure we don't have 4 people with the same opinions making up those seats, and so far I think that's gone pretty well, the discussions have been far more involved since making the change than before.

I think a fine job has been done for the most part. The biggest, easily correctable flaw is in the fait accompli aspect of HO decisions. A problem is perceived, often as the result of a thunder dome shitshow or something similar. HO rushes to establish a new ruling in reaction. Perhaps in their haste, they don’t take the care to craft their words finely and fully think through all the ramifications. The new ruling is posted as a done deal in the announcements. Thirty pages of ranting then follows.

Would it not be better for everyone if the HO would have a period of public review and debate before handing down new law? Of course some people would treat it as a joke or an excuse to troll. Some would argue in bad faith. But in those pages many good thoughts would also be found. Improvements to the law, as written, would be suggested. Even the trolls would be beneficial in finding the flaws and loopholes inherent in most new legislation. We would get better reasoned, more fully fleshed out policies in place that the users could feel more invested in and protective towards.

Let’s face it. It couldn’t be more of a mess then the current system of handing down established law. When some of our users read about controversial new rules that they had no prior knowledge of or involvement in, they have a tendency to feel attacked or threatened, resulting in thirty pages of bare knuckles brawling.

I have nothing but respect for yourself and the HO. I know your intentions are good. Allow the many smart and creative users here to help build a better system for all.

tbh how about a hybrid system? Apps for Eggy/current HO to look at and they pick the best 4 candidates or wtv. Then a league wide poll happens to select the 2 HO members.

I think this is a really great idea. I can't see any immediate downside to it aside from the face that somebody from head office is going to have to put some time into polling and what now.

This was actually the exact reason why I got rid of elections. I've also tried to go out of my way to ensure we don't have 4 people with the same opinions making up those seats, and so far I think that's gone pretty well, the discussions have been far more involved since making the change than before.

I think a fine job has been done for the most part. The biggest, easily correctable flaw is in the fait accompli aspect of HO decisions. A problem is perceived, often as the result of a thunder dome shitshow or something similar. HO rushes to establish a new ruling in reaction. Perhaps in their haste, they don’t take the care to craft their words finely and fully think through all the ramifications. The new ruling is posted as a done deal in the announcements. Thirty pages of ranting then follows.

Would it not be better for everyone if the HO would have a period of public review and debate before handing down new law? Of course some people would treat it as a joke or an excuse to troll. Some would argue in bad faith. But in those pages many good thoughts would also be found. Improvements to the law, as written, would be suggested. Even the trolls would be beneficial in finding the flaws and loopholes inherent in most new legislation. We would get better reasoned, more fully fleshed out policies in place that the users could feel more invested in and protective towards.

Let’s face it. It couldn’t be more of a mess then the current system of handing down established law. When some of our users read about controversial new rules that they had no prior knowledge of or involvement in, they have a tendency to feel attacked or threatened, resulting in thirty pages of bare knuckles brawling.

I have nothing but respect for yourself and the HO. I know your intentions are good. Allow the many smart and creative users here to help build a better system for all.

I think I disagree with most of this. I am of the opinion that these things seem to get worse the longer head office waits to make a ruling. In the most recent case, they made a rule relatively quickly. People then voiced their opinion of that rule in various levels of productiveness and the head office was able to tweak that rule after the fact to make improvements based on community feedback. I think that is a good way to approach these issues.

thats not what he's saying, he's saying that the framework is there now for HO to ban any word they want in the future.

Right, but that's the slippery slope fallacy all over again.

Nope. Toe didn't imply that anything would happen, he just said it would be possibie. I'm on your side, but that's not a fallacy. It's a valid argument that HO took into consideration with the amendment.

Ben Waters Jr. || LW || Edmonton Blizzard || 312 TPE
Height: 6'2"
Weight: 225 lbs
Birthplace: Montreal, Canada

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tbh how about a hybrid system? Apps for Eggy/current HO to look at and they pick the best 4 candidates or wtv. Then a league wide poll happens to select the 2 HO members.

I think this is a really great idea. I can't see any immediate downside to it aside from the face that somebody from head office is going to have to put some time into polling and what now.

I think a fine job has been done for the most part. The biggest, easily correctable flaw is in the fait accompli aspect of HO decisions. A problem is perceived, often as the result of a thunder dome shitshow or something similar. HO rushes to establish a new ruling in reaction. Perhaps in their haste, they don’t take the care to craft their words finely and fully think through all the ramifications. The new ruling is posted as a done deal in the announcements. Thirty pages of ranting then follows.

Would it not be better for everyone if the HO would have a period of public review and debate before handing down new law? Of course some people would treat it as a joke or an excuse to troll. Some would argue in bad faith. But in those pages many good thoughts would also be found. Improvements to the law, as written, would be suggested. Even the trolls would be beneficial in finding the flaws and loopholes inherent in most new legislation. We would get better reasoned, more fully fleshed out policies in place that the users could feel more invested in and protective towards.

Let’s face it. It couldn’t be more of a mess then the current system of handing down established law. When some of our users read about controversial new rules that they had no prior knowledge of or involvement in, they have a tendency to feel attacked or threatened, resulting in thirty pages of bare knuckles brawling.

I have nothing but respect for yourself and the HO. I know your intentions are good. Allow the many smart and creative users here to help build a better system for all.

I think I disagree with most of this. I am of the opinion that these things seem to get worse the longer head office waits to make a ruling. In the most recent case, they made a rule relatively quickly. People then voiced their opinion of that rule in various levels of productiveness and the head office was able to tweak that rule after the fact to make improvements based on community feedback. I think that is a good way to approach these issues.

Enacting a law with the idea of , “Well, no matter how rushed this is or how badly written, we can always just amend it later” makes no sense to me. Treat people with respect. Deal with them in good faith. This is a community and as such community involvement is important. The other way is guaranteed to create bad blood and drama, as it did in this case.

I think this is a really great idea. I can't see any immediate downside to it aside from the face that somebody from head office is going to have to put some time into polling and what now.


I think I disagree with most of this. I am of the opinion that these things seem to get worse the longer head office waits to make a ruling. In the most recent case, they made a rule relatively quickly. People then voiced their opinion of that rule in various levels of productiveness and the head office was able to tweak that rule after the fact to make improvements based on community feedback. I think that is a good way to approach these issues.

Enacting a law with the idea of , “Well, no matter how rushed this is or how badly written, we can always just amend it later” makes no sense to me. Treat people with respect. Deal with them in good faith. This is a community and as such community involvement is important.  The other way is guaranteed to create bad blood and drama, as it did in this case.

I think the bad blood created while we would be waiting around for a long public comment period would be worse than the bad blood of a rule that is a bit overzealous for a few days and then gets dialed back.

Formx became HO because of that. That's a no from me dawg.

just my 0,02 here and I didn't read everything so that may have been said already.
But the apps could be just sent to the Commish and the Commish posts each app under his own name, so we don't know whose app it is. Now we vote. Or we get to choose from the best 3 apps and vote for 1.

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S31 Eduard Selich  || F || Buffalo Stampede || Peak: 1252
Name: Eduard Selich
Hometown: Fulda, Germany
Height: 5'11"
Weight: 195 lbs
Number: 19
Age: 29
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Regular Season Career Statistics:
SMJHL:
S30 PGF | GP 50 | G 15 | A 12 | P 27 |  -3 | PIM 8 | HIT 38 | SB 5 |
S31 PGF | GP 50 | G 21 | A 20 | P 41 |  -6 | PIM 18 | HIT 42 | SB 20 |
SHL:
S32 BUF | GP 50 | G 17 | A 19 | P 36 |  +11 | PIM 6 | HIT 54 | SB 13 |
S33 BUF | GP 50 | G 21 | A 25 | P 46 |  +14 | PIM 12 | HIT 44 | SB 21 |
S34 BUF | GP 50 | G 28 | A 35 | P 63 |  +23 | PIM 2 | HIT 3 | SB 22 |
S35 BUF | GP 50 | G 17 | A 17 | P 34 |  -6 | PIM 12 | HIT 13 | SB 17 |
S36 BUF | GP 50 | G 23 | A 24 | P 47 |  +3 | PIM 2 | HIT 37 | SB 15 |
S37 BUF | GP 50 | G 21 | A 27 | P 48 |  +9 | PIM 25 | HIT 74 | SB 15 |
S38 BUF | GP 50 | G 28 | A 27 | P 55 |  +4 | PIM 44 | HIT 42 | SB 12 |
S39 BUF | GP 50 | G 18 | A 21 | P 39 |  +1 | PIM 10 | HIT 48 | SB 23 |
S40 BUF | GP 50 | G 7 | A 15 | P 22 |  -26 | PIM 9 | HIT 48 | SB 11 |
S41 BUF | GP 50 | G 18 | A 17 | P 35 |  +10 | PIM 2 | HIT 5 | SB 11 |
S42 BUF | GP 50 | G 20 | A 21 | P 41 |  +10 | PIM 0 | HIT 5 | SB 10 |
S43 SEA | GP 50 | G 19 | A 19 | P 38 |  +8 | PIM 12 | HIT 47 | SB 7 |
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Playoff Career Statistic:
SMJHL:
S30 PGF | GP 17 | G 8 | A 13 | P 21 | +7 | PIM 2 | HIT 10 | SB 3 |
S31 PGF | GP 4 | G 0 | A 1 | P 1 | -5 | PIM 0 | HIT 4 | SB 2 |
SHL:
S32 BUF | Did not qualify
S33 BUF | GP 5 | G 4 | A 1 | P 5 | +1 | PIM 0 | HIT 0 | SB 0 |
S34 BUF | Did not qualify
S35 BUF | GP 4 | G 2 | A 2 | P 4 | -3 | PIM 0 | HIT 5 | SB 1 |
S36 BUF | GP 7 | G 6 | A 2 | P 8 | +6 | PIM 2 | HIT 10 | SB 1 |
S37 BUF | GP 7 | G 2 | A 0 | P 2 | -3 | PIM 0 | HIT 12 | SB 0 |
S38 BUF | Did not qualify
S39 BUF | Did not qualify
S40 BUF | Did not qualify
S41 BUF | GP 7 | G 2 | A 1 | P 3 | -4 | PIM 0 | HIT 1 | SB 2 |
S41 BUF | GP 5 | G 1 | A 1 | P 2 | -7 | PIM 0 | HIT 0 | SB 0 |
S43 SEA | GP 6 | G 3 | A 0 | P 3 | -3 | PIM 4 | HIT 7 | SB 2 |
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IIHF Round Robin Career Statistic:
S30 GER | GP 10 | G 0 | A 0 | P 0 | -4 | PIM 2 | HIT 3 | SB 0 |
S31 GER | GP 10 | G 2 | A 1 | P 3 | +2 | PIM 2 | HIT 4 | SB 1 |
S32 GER | GP 10 | G 5 | A 4 | P 9 | +4 | PIM 0 | HIT 2 | SB 3 |
S33 GER | GP 10 | G 2 | A 1 | P 3 | +4 | PIM 2 | HIT 4 | SB 2 |
S41 GER | GP 10 | G 4 | A 1 | P 5 | -2 | PIM 0 | HIT 0 | SB 1 |
S42 GER | GP 10 | G 1 | A 2 | P 3 | -2 | PIM 0 | HIT 9 | SB 1 |
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IIHF Medal Round Career Statistic:
S30 GER | GP 1 | G 0 | A 0 | P 0 | +0 | PIM 0 | HIT 0 | SB 0 |
S31 GER | GP 3 | G 0 | A 0 | P 0 | -2 | PIM 0 | HIT 1 | SB 0 |
S32 GER | GP 3 | G 1 | A 2 | P 3 | +4 | PIM 0 | HIT 0 | SB 0 |
S33 GER | GP 1 | G 0 | A 0 | P 0 | -1 | PIM 0 | HIT 1 | SB 0 |
S41 GER | GP 1 | G 0 | A 0 | P 0 | -1 | PIM 0 | HIT 0 | SB 0 |
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Transactions:
S30 | Drafted #20 in the SMJHL Entry Draft by the Prince George Firebirds
S30 | Signed a 1yr/1.5M deal with  Prince George Firebirds
S31 | Drafted #2 in the SHL Entry Draft by the Buffalo Stampede
S31 | Signed a 2yr/2M deal with Buffalo Stampede
S32 | Signed an 23yr/23M extension with Buffalo Stampede
S34 | Contract Adjustment: 3yr/9M deal with Buffalo Stampede
S41 | Signed an 1yr/3M extension with Buffalo Stampede
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Noteable events:
S30 | Voted Alternate Captain of Prince George Firebirds
S30 | Organized WJC
S30 | Got the call to play for Team Germany
S30 | Won Zach Miller Trophy (Most Dedicated)
S30 | Won Ron Bolt Trophy (Most Sportsmanlike)
S30 | Won Ronan O'Keefe Trophy (Playoff Points Leader)
S30 | Voted S30 PGF Team MVP
S31 | Voted Captain of Prince George Firebirds
S31 | Named Germany Federation Head and won the Silver Medal
S31 | Nominated for Brandon Holmes Trophy (Top Defensive Forward)
S31 | Nominated for Zach Miller Trophy ( Most Dedicated)
S32 | Voted Alternate Captain of Buffalo Stampede
S32 | Nominated for the Ryan Jesster Trophy ( ROTY)
S32 | Named to the SHL All-Rookie Team
S32 | won the Gold Medal with team Germany
S33 | Named Buffalo Stampede Co-GM
S33 | Damien Littleton Trophy Nominee
S33 | Won Lance Uppercut Award
S34 | Named 1st Team All-Star in the SHL
S34 | Damien Littleton Trophy Nominee
S34 | Aidan Richan Trophy Nominee
S42 | Named Buffalo Stampede Co-GM


Otto Selich||GM||GER S31-S34(26-9-2)||BUF(S33-S34,S42-)||1 Gold & 2x Silver
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Round Robin Career Statistics:
S31 GER | 6-4-0 | 18 points | #1 seed Group A
S32 GER | 8-1-1 | 22 points | #1 seed Group A
S33 GER | 7-3-0 | 21 points | #1 seed Group A
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Medal Round Career Statistics:
S31 GER | 2-1-0 | Silver medal | lost to USA in the Gold medal game
S32 GER | 3-0-0 | won Gold Medal
S33 GER | 0-0-1 | lost in Quarterfinals to Finland


S45 Alexander Selich || D || || Colorado Raptors || Peak: 2134
Name: Alexander Selich
Hometown: Fulda, Germany
Height: 6'10"
Weight: 280 lbs
Number: 19
Age: 18
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Regular Season Career Statistics:
SMJHL:
S43 KEL | GP 9 | G 1 | A 1 | P 2 |  1 | PIM 0 | HIT 4 | SB 0 |
S44 COL | GP 50 | G 12 | A 14 | P 26 |  8 | PIM 4 | HIT 23 | SB 11 |
S45 COL | GP 50 | G 17 | A 16 | P 33 |  2 | PIM 12 | HIT 35 | SB 7 |
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Playoff Career Statistic:
SMJHL:
S43 KEL | GP 6 | G 1 | A 0 | P 1 | 0 | PIM 2 | HIT 2 | SB 0 |
S44 COL | GP 16 | G 7 | A 5 | P 12 | +3 | PIM 2 | HIT 3 | SB 6 |
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IIHF Round Robin Career Statistic:
S43 GER | GP 14 | G 0 | A 3 | P 3 | 2 | PIM 4 | HIT 7 | SB 0 |
S44 GER | GP 14 | G 1 | A 1 | P 2 | -10 | PIM 8 | HIT 7 | SB 4 |
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IIHF Medal Round Career Statistic:
S43 GER | GP 1 | G 0 | A 0 | P 0 | +0 | PIM 0 | HIT 1 | SB 0 |
S44 GER | GP 2 | G 2 | A 1 | P 3 | +1 | PIM 2 | HIT 2 | SB 0 |
Transactions:
S44 | Drafted #1 in the SMJHL Entry Draft by the Colorado Raptors
S44 | Signed a 1yr/3M deal with  Colorado Raptors
S45 | Drafted #22 in the SHL Entry Draft by the Buffalo Stampede
S45 | Signed a 3yr/1M deal with Buffalo Stampede
Noteable events:

3. Buffalo Stampede , Eduard Selich 5 (Maximilian Wachter, Alexis Metzler) at 16:25
5. Buffalo Stampede , Eduard Selich 6 (Steven Stamkos Jr., Brynjar Tusk) at 19:48
8. Buffalo Stampede , Eduard Selich 7 (Brynjar Tusk, Alexis Metzler) at 13:55
9. Buffalo Stampede , Eduard Selich 8 (Anton Fedorov, Mikelis Grundmanis) at 15:12
10. Buffalo Stampede , Eduard Selich 9 (Dickie Pecker) at 19:43 (Empty Net)

just my 0,02 here and I didn't read everything so that may have been said already.
But the apps could be just sent to the Commish and the Commish posts each app under his own name, so we don't know whose app it is. Now we vote. Or we get to choose from the best 3 apps and vote for 1.

This still wouldn't be that "blind" I think. From what we've seen of "blind" graphic contest voting, people can either identify based on style who made a certain submission, or someone particularly invested in winning the vote can just tell their LR "Hey, I'm submission X" and get some good old internet vote brigading. It sounds like a fun little solution, but I guarantee it would be very ineffective.

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Zach Evans || Forward || Winnipeg Jets
Name: Zach Evans
Height: 6'1"
Weight: 195 lbs
Number: 18
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SHL Career Statistics:
S32 (WPG): GP: 50, G: 9, A: 5, P: 14, +/-: -1, PIMS: 12, H: 59
S33 (WPG): GP: 50, G: 8, A: 15, P: 23, +/-: 3, PIMS: 49, H: 106
S34 (WPG): GP: 50, G: 14, A: 14, P: 28, +/-: 7, PIMS: 46, H: 96
S35 (WPG): GP: 50, G: 22, A: 26, P: 48, +/-: -4, PIMS: 23, H: 113
S36 (WPG): GP: 50, G: 28, A: 30, P: 58, +/-: 23, PIMS: 51, H: 140
S37 (WPG): GP: 50, G: 24, A: 27, P: 51, +/-: 2, PIMS: 36, H: 220
S38 (WPG): GP: 50, G: 27. A: 38, P: 65, +/-: 12, PIMS: 45, H: 158
S39 (WPG): GP: 50, G: 15, A: 32, P: 47, +/-: 11, PIMS: 43, H: 85
S40 (WPG): GP: 50, G: 22, A: 31, P: 53, +/-: 11, PIMS: 15, H: 49
S41 (WPG): GP: 50, G: 27, A: 35, P: 62, +/-: 26, PIMS: 34, H: 82
S42 (WPG): GP: 50, G: 16, A: 29, P: 45, +/-: -3, PIMS: 15, H: 6
S43 (WPG): GP: 50, G: 16, A: 29, P: 45, +/-: 11, PIMS: 27, H: 15
S44 (WPG): GP: 50, G: 14, A: 31, P: 45, +/-: 3, PIMS: 17, H: 17
S45 (WPG): GP: 50, G: 15, A: 34, P: 49, +/-: 4, PIMS: 2, H: 27
CAREER: GP: 700, G: 257, A: 376, P: 633, +/-: 105, PIMS: 415, H: 1,173
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SHL Playoff Statistics:
S34 (WPG): GP: 5, G: 2, A: 1, P: 3, +/-: 0, PIMS: 4, H: 7
S36 (WPG): GP: 6, G: 0, A: 3, P: 3, +/-: -1, PIMS: 0, H: 16
S37 (WPG): GP: 18, G: 11, A: 14, P: 25, +/-: 19, PIMS: 12, H: 81
S38 (WPG): GP: 13, G: 6, A: 9, P: 15, +/-: 5, PIMS: 4, H: 32
S39 (WPG): GP: 13, G: 5, A: 6, P: 11, +/-: -2, PIMS: 6, H: 31
S40 (WPG): GP: 14, G: 5, A: 4, P: 9, +/-: 1, PIMS: 13, H: 7
S41 (WPG): GP: 13, G: 8, A: 6, P: 14, +/-: 3, PIMS: 9, H: 26
S43 (WPG): GP: 17, G: 4, A: 9, P: 13, +/-: 11, PIMS: 2, H: 4
S44 (WPG): GP: 18, G: 4, A: 15, P: 19, +/-: 7, PIMS: 0, H: 3
S45 (WPG): GP: 4, G: 1, A: 2, P: 3, +/-: -1, PIMS: 0, H: 2
CAREER: GP: 121, G: 46, A: 69, P: 115, +/-: 41, PIMS: 50, H: 209
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SMJHL Career Statistics:
S30 (DET): GP: 50, G: 16, A: 12, P: 28, +/-: 8, PIMS: 10, H: 44
S31 (DET): GP: 50, G: 15, A: 23, P: 38, +/-: -2, PIMS: 35, H: 84
CAREER: GP: 100, G: 31, A: 35, P: 66, +/-: 6, PIMS: 45, H: 128
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SMJHL Playoff Statistics:
S30 (DET): GP: 5, G: 0, A: 1, P: 1, +/-: -1, PIMS: 2, H: 0
S31 (DET): GP: 13, G: 5, A: 7, P: 12, +/-: 3, PIMS: 0, H: 9
CAREER: GP: 18, G: 5, A: 8, P: 13, +/-: 2, PIMS: 2, H: 9
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IIHF Statistics (Russia):
S30: GP: 11, G: 1, A: 0, P: 1, +/-: -1, PIMS: 0, H: 7
S32: GP: 13, G: 1, A: 1, P: 2, +/-: -4, PIMS: 4, H: 17
S33: GP: 11, G: 3, A: 6, P: 9, +/-: 5, PIMS: 4, H: 12
S34: GP: 11, G: 6, A: 2, P: 8, +/-: 2, PIMS: 2, H: 10
S35: GP: 13, G: 5, A: 4, P: 9, +/-: 4, PIMS: 18, H: 22
S36: GP: 11, G: 4, A: 3, P: 7, +/-: -3, PIMS: 2, H: 5
S37: GP: 10, G: 1, A: 1, P: 2, +/-: 0, PIMS: 0, H: 8
S38: GP: 13, G: 3, A: 10, P: 13, +/-: 8, PIMS: 4, H: 5
S39: GP: 10, G: 6, A: 6, P: 12, +/-: 1, PIMS: 2, H: 11
S40: GP: 10, G: 1, A: 2, P: 3, +/-: -6, PIMS: 2, H: 8
S41: GP: 11, G: 4, A: 5, P: 9, +/-: 0, PIMS: 2, H: 7
S42: GP: 10, G: 5, A: 9, P: 14, +/-: 5, PIMS: 0, H: 1
S43: GP: 13, G: 4, A: 7, P: 11, +/-: 6, PIMS: 0, H: 0
S44: GP: 10, G: 4, A: 8, P: 12, +/-: 1, PIMS: 0, H: 0
S45: GP: 10, G: 6, A: 1, P: 7, +/-: -13, PIMS: 0, H: 2
CAREER: GP: 167 G: 54, A: 65, P: 119, +/-: 5, PIMS: 40, H: 105
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Transactions and Awards:
Drafted 25th overall by Detroit, S30 SMJHL Entry Draft
S30 Vyacheslav Onoprienko Trophy Winner
Drafted 5th overall by Winnipeg, S31 SHL Entry Draft
S32 Oriens Trophy Winner (Co-GM, Detroit)
S32 IIHF Bronze Medalist
S36 SHL Second-Team All-Star
S37 Challenge Cup Champion
S38 Sergei Karpotsov Trophy Winner
S38 SHL First-Team All-Star
S38 Sarmad Khan Trophy Winner
S38 Jeff Dar Trophy Winner
S38 Damian Littleton Trophy Winner
S38 IIHF Gold Medalist
S43 IIHF Silver Medalist
S44 Challenge Cup Champion
Inducted into SHL Hall of Fame, S47
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Two things are infinite.

Nikolai Evans || Defenseman || HAM/TBB/TEX
Name: Nikolai Evans
Height: 6'2"
Weight: 210 lbs
Number: 19
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SHL Career Statistics:
S47 (HAM): GP: 50, G: 1, A: 10, P: 11, +/-: -4, SB: 39, H: 32
S48 (HAM): GP: 50, G: 5, A: 9, P: 14, +/1: 6, SB: 57, H: 37
S49 (TBB): GP: 50, G: 9, A: 14, P: 23, +/-: -22, SB: 78, H: 51
S50 (TBB): GP: 50, G: 7, A: 20, P: 27, +/-: 4, SB: 64, H: 39
CAREER: GP: 200, G: 22, A: 53, P: 75, +/-: -16, SB: 238, H: 159
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SHL Playoff Statistics:
S48 (HAM): GP: 5, G: 1, A: 0, P: 1, +/-: -1, SB: 6, H: 3
S49 (TBB): GP: 12, G: 0, A: 5, P: 5, +/-: 0, SB: 20, H: 8
S50 (TBB): GP: 19, G: 5, A: 7, P: 12, +/-: 1, SB: 29, H: 6
CAREER: GP: 36, G: 6, A: 12, P: 18, +/-: 0, SB: 55, H: 17
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SMJHL Career Statistics:
S45 (MTL): GP: 50, G: 7, A: 13, P: 20, +/-: -1, SB: 60, H: 25
S46 (MTL/HFX): GP: 50, G: 7, A: 20, P: 27, +/-: -1, SB: 47, H: 68
CAREER: GP: 100, G: 14, A: 33, P: 47, +/-: -2, SB: 107, H: 93
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SMJHL Playoff Statistics:
S45 (MTL): GP: 6, G: 2, A: 3, P: 5, +/-: -1, SB: 7, H: 4
S46 (HFX): GP: 13, G: 3, A: 2, P: 5, +/-: -4, SB: 18, H: 14
CAREER: GP: 19, G: 5, A: 5, P: 10, +/-: -5, SB: 25, H: 18
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IIHF Statistics (Russia):
S45: GP: 10, G: 0, A: 1, P: 1, +/-: -5, SB: 12, H: 2
S46: GP: 12, G: 0, A: 1, P: 1, +/-: -2, SB: 11, H: 2
S47: GP: 12, G: 2, A: 7, P: 9, +/-: 2, SB: 17, H: 12
S48: GP: 12, G: 2, A: 4, P: 6, +/-: -6, SB: 22, H: 0
S49: GP: 15, G: 6, A: 6, P: 12, +/-: -6, SB: 25, H: 7
CAREER: GP: 61, G: 10, A: 19, P: 29, +/-: -17, SB: 87, H: 23
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WJC Statistics:
S44 (World): GP: 15, G: 6, A: 7, P: 13, +/-: 8, SB: 18, H: 13
S45 (Russia): GP: 22, G: 2, A: 10, P: 12, +/-: -13, SB: 33, H: 14
S46 (Russia): GP: 28, G: 9, A: 15, P: 23, +/-: 0, SB: 26, H: 14
CAREER: GP: 55, G: 17, A: 32, P: 48, +/-: -5, SB: 77, H: 41
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Transactions and Awards:
Drafted 1st overall by Montreal, S45 SMJHL Entry Draft
Drafted 1st overall by Hamilton, S46 SHL Entry Draft
Traded to Halifax Raiders during S46 SMJHL season
Traded to Tampa Bay Barracuda prior to S49 SHL season
S48 Fantasy Global Champion
S50 Mathias Chouinard Trophy Winner
I'll finish updating this at some point
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The Russian Prince

Zdenko Beranek || Winger || Quebec City Citadelles
Name: Zdenko Beranek
Height: 5'10"
Weight: 175 lbs
Number: 27
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SMJHL Career Statistics:
S55 (QCC): GP: 50, G: 6, A: 15, P: 21, +/-: -22, PIMS: 6
S56 (QCC): GP: 50, G: 10, A: 27, P: 37, +/-: 9, PIMS: 20
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Transactions and Awards:
Drafted 1st overall by Quebec City, S55 SMJHL Entry Draft
Drafted 18th overall by Seattle, S56 SHL Entry Draft
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Le Petite Chèvre

Why would we want blind voting anyway? I want to know who I am voting for as I'd rather judge the person and their resumee on this site as a whole than just their ability to write a good application.

Evan Winter
Edmonton Blizzard
Player Page - Update Page

Things didn't go like this when I was in the HO.

Alonzo Garbanzo Final Tallies (Among Defensemen):
2nd in Goals (208), All-Time Assists Leader (765)*, All-Time Points Leader (973), 3rd in Hits (2587), All-Time Blocked Shots Leader (1882)*
*All-Time Leader Among All Skaters
Player Profile | Update Thread


Alonzo Garbanzo (Retired) | D | Minnesota Chiefs
Age: 41
Height: 6'1"
Weight: 185 lbs
Number: 2
Player Type: TWD
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SMJHL Regular Season Statistics (S20)
MTL | GP: 40 | G: 8 | A: 21 | P: 29 | +/-: +13 | SB: 62
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SMJHL Playoff Statistics (S20)
MTL | GP: 6 | G: 0 | A: 2 | P: 2 | +/-: -2 | SB: 9
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SHL Regular Season Statistics (S21-S43)
MIN | GP: 1158 | G: 200 | A: 750 | P: 950 | +/-: Even | HIT: 2538 | SB: 1807
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SHL Playoff Statistics (S21-S41)
MIN | GP: 139 | G: 20 | A: 89 | P: 109 | +/-: -19 | HIT: 291 | SB: 234
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IIHF Statistics (S21-S38)
SWE | GP: 211 | G: 36 | A: 125 | P: 161 | +/-: +16 | HIT: 553 | SB: 325
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International Awards
IIHF Gold Medal (S28, S29)
IIHF Silver Medal (S21, S27, S35)
IIHF Bronze Medal (S22, S23)
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Transactions
S20 | Drafted 3rd Overall to the Montreal Impact
S21 | Drafted 2nd Overall to the Minnesota Chiefs
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Notable Events
S21 | Named Alternate Captain of the Minnesota Chiefs
S23 | Named Captain of the Minnesota Chiefs
S24 | 4th in Assists
S24 | 4th in Defensemen Points
S26 | 1st in Assists
S26 | 1st in Defensemen Points
S26 | 2nd in Penalty Minutes
S27 | 1st in Defensemen Points
S27 | T-1st in Defensemen Goals
S27 | 1st in Blocked Shots
S27 | 2nd in Game-Tying Goals
S29 | 4th in Assists
S29 | 5th in Defensemen Points
S30 | 4th in Assists
S30 | 4th in Defensemen Points
S30 | T-3rd in Defensemen Goals
S30 | 3rd in Blocked Shots
S31 | 2nd in Assists
S31 | 2nd in Defensemen Points
S31 | 4th in Blocked Shots
S32 | 2nd in Blocked Shots
S33 | 1st in Blocked Shots
S33 | 1st in Defenseman Points
S33 | 3rd in Defenseman Goals
S34 | 4th in Assists
S34 | 2nd in Blocked Shots
S34 | 4th in Defenseman Points
S35 | 2nd in Defenseman Points
S36 | 4th in Assists
S36 | 5th in Blocked Shots
S36 | T-1st in Defenseman Points
S36 | T-4th in Defensemen Goals
S37 | T-3rd in Assists
S37 | T-3rd in Defensemen Goals
S37 | 3rd in Defensemen Points
S40 | 1st in Defenseman Points
S40 | T-4th in Defensemen Goals
S40 | 1st in Plus/Minus
S41 | T-2nd in Power Play Goals
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SHL All-Star Selections
9x SHL 1st Team (S26, S27, S30, S31, S33, S35, S36, S37, S40)
2x SHL 2nd Team (S24, S34)
2x SHL 3rd Team (S29, S32)
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SHL Awards
5x Scott Stevens Trophy (S27, S31, S33, S37, S40)
1x Ron Mexico Trophy (S27)
Aidan Richan Trophy (S24)
1x Challenge Cup (S39)
5x Scott Stevens Nominee (S24, S26, S30, S35, S36)
1x Ron Mexico Nominee (S31)
3x Damian Littleton Nominee (S26, S31, S40)
1x Challenge Cup Finalist (S40)


Borromini Cannellini | C | Los Angeles Panthers
Age: 16
Height: 6'-4"
Weight: 210 lbs
Number: 17
Player Type: SNP
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SMJHL Regular Season Statistics (S45-S47)
VAN | GP: 150 | G: 51 | A: 69 | P: 120 | +/-: +37 | HIT: 153
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SMJHL Playoff Statistics (S45-S47)
VAN | GP: 27 | G: 11 | A: 10 | P: 21 | +/-: +5 | HIT: 24
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SHL Regular Season Statistics (S48-)
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SHL Playoff Statistics (--)
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IIHF Statistics (--)
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International Awards
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Transactions
S45 | Drafted 7th Overall to the Vancouver Whalers
S46 | Drafted 10th Overall to the Los Angeles Panthers

Why would we want blind voting anyway? I want to know who I am voting for as I'd rather judge the person and their resumee on this site as a whole than just their ability to write a good application.

and that's great for the ~10 people who are willing to do that, but the voting in the past was skewed heavily towards a popularity contest. No offense to @formx cause I like him, but there's no fuckin way he got into HO based on merit the first time.

Voting is a nice idea, cause it gives us that sense of democracy, but the truth is the vast majority of people don't take democracy seriously (just look at NA politics in general). The other truth that people here don't seem to be able to process is that this is a PRIVATE website that governs itself. You don't have free speech, you don't have rights, you don't have jack shit. This site runs how it wants, and if the owners make a decision, we the users don't really have a say in it. I've seen a TON of people here acting like they are entitled to some say in how this place is run, but that simply is not the case, and trying to accommodate the opinions of every user here is impossible. That's why we need the owners at the top, then commissioners, then HO... we need a chain of command to make tough decisions for the site to run smoothly, and some people will always be upset about every decision.

Jimmy Larkin-Conway | LW | Seattle Argonauts
=============Transactions==============
- Drafted 19th overall by Nevada (S59)
- Drafted 27th overall by Baltimore (S60)
- Traded to Winnipeg Aurora (S63)
- Traded to Toronto North Stars (S64)
- Re-signed with Toronto North Stars (S65)
- Re-signed with Toronto North Stars (S68,etc.)
- Signed with Seattle Argonauts (S76)
================Trophies================
- Aidan Richan Award (S65)


Kit Kirkstone | G | Retired



Charlie Schieck | D | Retired



Jeff Kirkstone | G | Retired | Former GM