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charlieconway · 07-18-2020, 06:23 AM

07-17-2020, 11:15 PMcaltroit_red_flames Wrote:
07-17-2020, 10:12 PMml002 Wrote: The gap between the best teams and the not good ones is like the grand canyon

Tbh that's good. Because maybe that'll finally force the league to change the salary cap to a meaningful one that actually creates parity.

Not saying I agree or disagree, but could you clarify this? What do you think would be a good direction for the salary cap to go in to help close that gap?

Mook · 07-18-2020, 06:31 AM

07-18-2020, 06:23 AMcharlieconway Wrote:
07-17-2020, 11:15 PMcaltroit_red_flames Wrote: Tbh that's good. Because maybe that'll finally force the league to change the salary cap to a meaningful one that actually creates parity.

Not saying I agree or disagree, but could you clarify this? What do you think would be a good direction for the salary cap to go in to help close that gap?

3-5 season limits on tier 5 contracts

caltroit_red_flames · 07-18-2020, 11:44 AM

07-18-2020, 06:23 AMcharlieconway Wrote:
07-17-2020, 11:15 PMcaltroit_red_flames Wrote: Tbh that's good. Because maybe that'll finally force the league to change the salary cap to a meaningful one that actually creates parity.

Not saying I agree or disagree, but could you clarify this? What do you think would be a good direction for the salary cap to go in to help close that gap?

The PBE is an example of a different system that works fairly well, but isn't perfect.

This is the current TPE to cap hit scale.
Tier 6 (1300+ TPE) - $5,000,000
Tier 5 (1000+ TPE) - $4,000,000
Tier 4 (700+ TPE) - $3,000,000
Tier 3 (500+TPE) - $2,000,000
Tier 2 (300+ TPE) - $1,000,000
Tier 1 (<300 TPE) - $500,000

The current scale is problematic for a few reasons:
1.) It's not extensive enough, I think for half my career now I've been in the top tier. I hit 2k TPE but at that time I was making the same amount as a 1300 TPE player despite the fact that we have extremely different on ice impacts.
2.) The lower tiers of the scale are entirely irrelevant right now. When was the last time we saw an active player at less than 500 TPE on more than one team in the league?
3.) Hometown discounts are just unnecessary.

I propose we have the following scale, with the salary cap likely needing to be adjusted to implement it. Money should foremost be a way of creating parity n the league. If we have a salary cap of say 70 million that forces teams to choose between 2000 TPE super stars and depth players. Then teams like Toronto get to pick up that talent in free agency whether that's the superstar or the budding 1000 TPE players that they were force to let go.

<200 TPE: $500,000
200 TPE: $1,000,000
400 TPE: $2,000,000
600 TPE: $3,000,000
800 TPE: $4,000,000
1,000 TPE: $5,000,000
1,200 TPE: $6,000,000
1,400 TPE: $7,000,000
1,600 TPE: $8,000,000
1,800+ TPE: $9,000,000

Not perfect, but the concept solid.

caltroit_red_flames · 07-18-2020, 11:45 AM

07-18-2020, 11:44 AMcaltroit_red_flames Wrote:
07-18-2020, 06:23 AMcharlieconway Wrote: Not saying I agree or disagree, but could you clarify this? What do you think would be a good direction for the salary cap to go in to help close that gap?

The PBE is an example of a different system that works fairly well, but isn't perfect.

This is the current TPE to cap hit scale.
Tier 6 (1300+ TPE) - $5,000,000
Tier 5 (1000+ TPE) - $4,000,000
Tier 4 (700+ TPE) - $3,000,000
Tier 3 (500+TPE) - $2,000,000
Tier 2 (300+ TPE) - $1,000,000
Tier 1 (<300 TPE) - $500,000

The current scale is problematic for a few reasons:
1.) It's not extensive enough, I think for half my career now I've been in the top tier. I hit 2k TPE but at that time I was making the same amount as a 1300 TPE player despite the fact that we have extremely different on ice impacts.
2.) The lower tiers of the scale are entirely irrelevant right now. When was the last time we saw an active player at less than 500 TPE on more than one team in the league?
3.) Hometown discounts are just unnecessary.

I propose we have the following scale, with the salary cap likely needing to be adjusted to implement it. Money should foremost be a way of creating parity n the league. If we have a salary cap of say 70 million that forces teams to choose between 2000 TPE super stars and depth players. Then teams like Toronto get to pick up that talent in free agency whether that's the superstar or the budding 1000 TPE players that they were force to let go.

<200 TPE: $500,000
200 TPE: $1,000,000
400 TPE: $2,000,000
600 TPE: $3,000,000
800 TPE: $4,000,000
1,000 TPE: $5,000,000
1,200 TPE: $6,000,000
1,400 TPE: $7,000,000
1,600 TPE: $8,000,000
1,800+ TPE: $9,000,000

Not perfect, but the concept solid.

@SDCore @nour @ml002

Corey I know you're familiar with this cause of PBE. Lot's of stuff going on all the time I know, but I hope this is at least on the radar.

***nour*** · 07-18-2020, 11:53 AM

07-18-2020, 11:45 AMcaltroit_red_flames Wrote:
07-18-2020, 11:44 AMcaltroit_red_flames Wrote: The PBE is an example of a different system that works fairly well, but isn't perfect.

This is the current TPE to cap hit scale.
Tier 6 (1300+ TPE) - $5,000,000
Tier 5 (1000+ TPE) - $4,000,000
Tier 4 (700+ TPE) - $3,000,000
Tier 3 (500+TPE) - $2,000,000
Tier 2 (300+ TPE) - $1,000,000
Tier 1 (<300 TPE) - $500,000

The current scale is problematic for a few reasons:
1.) It's not extensive enough, I think for half my career now I've been in the top tier. I hit 2k TPE but at that time I was making the same amount as a 1300 TPE player despite the fact that we have extremely different on ice impacts.
2.) The lower tiers of the scale are entirely irrelevant right now. When was the last time we saw an active player at less than 500 TPE on more than one team in the league?
3.) Hometown discounts are just unnecessary.

I propose we have the following scale, with the salary cap likely needing to be adjusted to implement it. Money should foremost be a way of creating parity n the league. If we have a salary cap of say 70 million that forces teams to choose between 2000 TPE super stars and depth players. Then teams like Toronto get to pick up that talent in free agency whether that's the superstar or the budding 1000 TPE players that they were force to let go.

<200 TPE: $500,000
200 TPE: $1,000,000
400 TPE: $2,000,000
600 TPE: $3,000,000
800 TPE: $4,000,000
1,000 TPE: $5,000,000
1,200 TPE: $6,000,000
1,400 TPE: $7,000,000
1,600 TPE: $8,000,000
1,800+ TPE: $9,000,000

Not perfect, but the concept solid.

@SDCore @nour @ml002

Corey I know you're familiar with this cause of PBE. Lot's of stuff going on all the time I know, but I hope this is at least on the radar.

This is stuff we’ve absolutely discussed in HO over the last few weeks and with GMs, while I don’t think this scale is perfect, I do think the overall motive and concept is good and we’ve been throwing ideas like that around for a little bit. We’ll have more details as we get closer to something a little more tangible

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caltroit_red_flames · 07-18-2020, 11:57 AM

07-18-2020, 11:53 AMnour Wrote:
07-18-2020, 11:45 AMcaltroit_red_flames Wrote: @SDCore @nour @ml002

Corey I know you're familiar with this cause of PBE. Lot's of stuff going on all the time I know, but I hope this is at least on the radar.

This is stuff we’ve absolutely discussed in HO over the last few weeks and with GMs, while I don’t think this scale is perfect, I do think the overall motive and concept is good and we’ve been throwing ideas like that around for a little bit. We’ll have more details as we get closer to something a little more tangible

You're a gem <3

Also yeah it was more just getting the idea out there as opposed to a perfect scale.

***WannabeFinn*** · 07-18-2020, 12:01 PM

The highest paid player in the league plays for Buffalo

but yeah the salary cap is why there’s a power gap between the good and bad teams

caltroit_red_flames · 07-18-2020, 12:58 PM

07-18-2020, 12:01 PMWannabeFinn Wrote: The highest paid player in the league plays for Buffalo

but yeah the salary cap is why there’s a power gap between the good and bad teams

I mean Buffalo is clearly good because you and Tomen have done an excellent job of managing your players/contracts and drafting very well, but the salary structure makes it not problematic when you accumulate silly amounts of talent.

Sharp 1849 TPE - 7 mil
Scarn 1857 TPE - 6 mil
Scoop 1926 TPE - 6 mil
Vanderberg 1055 TPE - 6 mil
Wang 1200 TPE - 5.5 mil
Marius 1461 TPE - 5 mil
Kholin 1788 TPE - 5 mil
Passamus 1896 TPE - 4 mil
Muller 1267 TPE - 4 mil
Darrow 2066 TPE - 4 mil
Owens 1035 TPE - 3.5 mil
Okabe 829 TPE - 3 mil
Luffy 1908 TPE - 3 mil
Hervadivic 1183 TPE - 3 mil
Selich 2013 TPE - 3 mil
Doyle 996 TPE - 2 mil

The issue here is that the amount of output you expect to get from players based on their TPE doesn't match their contracts. Why is a 2000 TPE player allowed to take up only as much cap space as an 800 TPE player?

The salary cap isn't an effective way of creating parity right now, I think you're sort of proving my point. Your good GMing has allowed you to create a team that will never fail, and considering the cycle bad teams have to go through in the SHL (draft talent, give huge contract and promise success if they stick around, talent either goes inactive or leaves in free agency because they're losing, repeat with new GM) combined with the cycle good teams with competent management go through (draft talent, sift through the players, keep the really good ones and promise them winning now plus top line minutes later, trade the non top tier talent because regression is so slow that you can afford to trade decent prospects for picks, repeat), I think you'll find that story is fairly common throughout the league. Edmonton, Calgary, and Hamilton do this exact thing.

A real salary cap that facilitates parity will force you to choose between keeping Darrow or keeping Wang and Hernadivic, but in the current state that's not a problem.

Samsung virtual assistant · 07-18-2020, 02:40 PM

Maybe we should have job pay and media/graphics be paid in euros and contracts in dollar, and we have 2 different sets of equipment, would get more people to demand more money hehehe

Sean · 07-18-2020, 11:34 PM

Note for @Dextaria we aren't continuing the HTD on Jon Toner, his salary will increase to $4m as per his pending Regression TPE amount

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JT3 · 07-19-2020, 04:27 PM

Never expected Toner to play for any other team than LA. Gonna miss my boys.

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Bongo · 07-20-2020, 02:58 PM

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