Originally posted by Rezik@Nov 24 2015, 10:30 PM


No there isn't. its the same conversation, the only diffrence is one team is making the first call. They still go through the whole, what are you willing to give up and this is is our asking price.

No... Entertaining offers means you don't want to move them, but if the right deal came along you wouldn't necessarily say no and more than anything you're gauging the market or seeing what the value for a player is.

Shopping them would mean that if anything that's not a losing trade is offered you'd consider it.

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Originally posted by Rezik@Nov 24 2015, 10:30 PM


No there isn't. its the same conversation, the only diffrence is one team is making the first call. They still go through the whole, what are you willing to give up and this is is our asking price.

That's his point though. It all depends on who is going out of their way to bring his name up in trade discussions. Is it the team who owns his rights, or is it the team who wants to acquire his rights?

KARI KEKKONEN | D | RETIRED
NAME: Kari Kekkonen
BIRTHPLACE: Oulu, Finland
HEIGHT: 6'1"
WEIGHT: 185 lbs
NUMBER: 33
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SMJHL CAREER STATS
S19 KEL: GP: 40, G: 10, A: 26, P: 36, +/-: 16, H: 42

SMJHL PLAYOFF STATS
S19 KEL: GP: 6, G: 0, A: 6, P: 6, +/-: 0, H: 6
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KAAPO KEKKONEN | C | RETIRED
NAME: Kaapo Kekkonen
BIRTHPLACE: Helsinki, Finland
HEIGHT: 6'3"
WEIGHT: 210 lbs
NUMBER: 19
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SHL CAREER STATS
S25 LAP: GP: 50, G: 2, A: 3, P: 5, +/-: -4, H: 75
S26 LAP: GP: 50, G: 4, A: 5, P: 9, +/-: -13, H: 94
S27 LAP: GP: 50, G: 6, A: 9, P: 15, +/-: -2, H: 35
S28 LAP: GP: 50, G: 7, A: 10, P: 17, +/-: -2, H: 96
S29 LAP: GP: 50, G: 13, A: 21, P: 34, +/-: -15, H: 85
S30 LAP: GP: 50, G: 23, A: 22, P: 45, +/-: 4, H: 130
S31 LAP: GP: 50, G: 20, A: 18, P: 38, +/-: 5, H: 162
S32 LAP: GP: 50, G: 18, A: 28, P: 46, +/-: 27, H: 183
S33 LAP: GP: 50, G: 17, A: 22, P: 39, +/-: 20, H: 210
S34 LAP: GP: 50, G: 12, A: 25, P: 37, +/-: -2, H: 131
S35 LAP: GP: 50, G: 10, A: 22, P: 32, +/-: -3, H: 115
S36 LAP: GP: 50, G: 11, A: 20, P: 31, +/-: 10, H: 138
S37 LAP: GP: 36, G: 9, A: 17, P: 26, +/-: -1, H: 72
S37 WKP: GP: 14, G: 1, A: 0, P: 1, +/-: -4, H: 19
TOT : GP: 650, G: 153, A: 222, P: 375, +/-: 20, H: 1545
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SHL PLAYOFF STATS
S25 LAP: DNQ
S26 LAP: DNQ
S27 LAP: DNQ
S28 LAP: DNQ
S29 LAP: DNQ
S30 LAP: DNQ
S31 LAP: DNQ
S32 LAP: GP: 5, G: 1, A: 3, P: 4, +/-: -2, H: 15
S33 LAP: GP: 12, G: 2, A: 3, P: 5, +/-: 0, H: 38
S34 LAP: GP: 7, G: 1, A: 3, P: 4, +/-: 3, H: 23
S35 LAP: GP: 5, G: 1, A: 1, P: 2, +/-: -4, H: 4
S36 LAP: DNQ
S37 WKP: GP: 12, G: 0, A: 2, P: 2, +/-: -2, H: 35
TOT : GP: 41, G: 5, A: 12, P: 17, +/-: -5, H: 115
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TATU MÄKELÄ | D | RETIRED
NAME: Tatu Mäkelä
BIRTHPLACE: Tampere, Finland
HEIGHT: 5'11"
WEIGHT: 180 lbs
NUMBER: 65
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SHL CAREER STATS
S40 BUF: GP: 50, G: 5, A: 17, P: 22, +/-: -28, H: 14, SB: 86
S41 BUF: GP: 50, G: 10, A: 21, P: 31, +/-: -3, H: 9, SB: 78
S42 BUF: GP: 50, G: 9, A: 21, P: 30, +/-: 2, H: 13, SB: 65
S43 BUF: GP: 50, G: 6, A: 24, P: 30, +/-: 1, H: 8, SB: 51
S44 BUF: GP: 50, G: 6, A: 28, P: 34, +/-: -6, H: 10, SB: 63
S45 BUF: GP: 50, G: 4, A: 37, P: 41, +/-: 10, H: 130, SB: 71
S46 BUF: GP: 50, G: 6, A: 36, P: 42, +/-: 25, H: 139, SB: 73
S47 BUF: GP: 50, G: 5, A: 23, P: 28, +/-: -4, H: 137, SB: 76
S48 BUF: GP: 50, G: 7, A: 25, P: 32, +/-: 9, H: 151, SB: 70
S49 BUF: GP: 50, G: 6, A: 22, P: 28, +/-: 5, H: 159, SB: 66
S50 BUF: GP: 50, G: 6, A: 20, P: 26, +/-: 14, H: 152, SB: 72
S51 BUF: GP: 50, G: 3, A: 23, P: 26, +/-: 8, H: 143, SB: 50
S52 BUF: GP: 50, G: 9, A: 21, P: 30, +/-: -3, H: 141, SB: 71
S53 BUF: GP: 50, G: 5, A: 14, P: 19, +/-: 23, H: 50, SB: 98
TOT : GP: 700, G: 87, A: 332, P: 419, +/-: 53, H: 1256, SB: 990
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SHL PLAYOFF STATS
S40 BUF: DNQ
S41 BUF: GP: 7, G: 3, A: 2, P: 5, +/-: -3, H: 0, SB: 10
S42 BUF: GP: 5, G: 0, A: 1, P: 1, +/-: -9, H: 2, SB: 10
S43 BUF: GP: 9, G: 0, A: 5, P: 5, +/-: -1, H: 1, SB: 8
S44 BUF: DNQ
S45 BUF: DNQ
S46 BUF: GP: 17, G: 0, A: 12, P: 12, +/-: 11, H: 59, SB: 28
S47 BUF: GP: 13, G: 0, A: 5, P: 5, +/-: 2, H: 32, SB: 18
S48 BUF: GP: 22, G: 2, A: 10, P: 12, +/-: 2, H: 64, SB: 32
S49 BUF: GP: 5, G: 0, A: 5, P: 5, +/-: 5, H: 15, SB: 8
S50 BUF: GP: 6, G: 0, A: 5, P: 5, +/-: -2, H: 18, SB: 12
S51 BUF: GP: 8, G: 2, A: 5, P: 7, +/-: -3, H: 15, SB: 11
S52 BUF: GP: 15, G: 4, A: 5, P: 9, +/-: 4, H: 47, SB: 26
S53 BUF: GP: 4, G: 0, A: 0, P: 0, +/-: 0, H: 6, SB: 13
TOT : GP: 111, G: 11, A: 55, P: 66, +/-: 6, H: 159, SB: 176
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KOLJA KEKKONEN | D | RETIRED
NAME: Kolja Kekkonen
BIRTHPLACE: Lappeenranta, Finland
HEIGHT: 6'3"
WEIGHT: 225 lbs
NUMBER: 8
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SMJHL CAREER STATS
S53 DET: GP: 3, G: 0, A: 1, P: 1, +/-: -1, H: 2, SB: 0
S54 DET: GP: 50, G: 2, A: 8, P: 10, +/-: -6, H: 15, SB: 37
S55 DET: GP: 50, G: 4, A: 12, P: 16, +/-: -24, H: 32, SB: 24
S56 DET: GP: 50, G: 4, A: 17, P: 21, +/-: -20, H: 52, SB: 71
S57 ANA: GP: 66, G: 6, A: 20, P: 26, +/-: 14, H: 52, SB: 70
TOT : GP: 219, G: 16, A: 58, P: 74, +/-: -37, H: 153, SB: 202
SMJHL PLAYOFF STATS
S53 DET: DNP
S54 DET: GP: 7, G: 0, A: 0, P: 0, +/-: 0, H: 2, SB: 3
S55 DET: GP: 4, G: 0, A: 1, P: 1, +/-: -2, H: 3, SB: 0
S56 DET: GP: 5, G: 2, A: 2, P: 4, +/-: 0, H: 3, SB: 7
S57 ANA: GP: 21, G: 2, A: 13, P: 15, +/-: 5, H: 13, SB: 34
TOT : GP: 37, G: 4, A: 16, P: 20, +/-: 3, H: 22, SB: 44
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KEKW KEKKONEN | C | RETIRED
NAME: Karl-Erik-Karl2-Wojtek Kekkonen
BIRTHPLACE: Lohja, Finland
HEIGHT: 6'4"
WEIGHT: 220 lbs
NUMBER: 69
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SHL CAREER STATS
S61 BUF: GP: 66, G: 10, A: 28, P: 38, +/-: 21, H: 59, SH: 134
S62 BUF: GP: 66, G: 19, A: 36, P: 55, +/-: 9, H: 84, SH: 194
S63 BUF: GP: 66, G: 17, A: 14, P: 31, +/-: -13, H: 91, SH: 148
S64 BUF: GP: 66, G: 16, A: 51, P: 67, +/-: 36, H: 82, SH: 212
S65 BUF: GP: 66, G: 25, A: 41, P: 66, +/-: 33, H: 136, SH: 230
S66 BUF: GP: 66, G: 38, A: 43, P: 81, +/-: 18, H: 64, SH: 222
S67 BUF: GP: 66, G: 40, A: 45, P: 85, +/-: -6, H: 76, SH: 224
S68 BUF: GP: 66, G: 47, A: 46, P: 93, +/-: 45, H: 51, SH: 326
S69 BUF: GP: 66, G: 35, A: 31, P: 66, +/-: 22, H: 43, SH: 269
S70 BUF: GP: 66, G: 33, A: 48, P: 81, +/-: 18, H: 66, SH: 297
S71 BUF: GP: 66, G: 36, A: 41, P: 77, +/-: 37, H: 55, SH: 257
S72 BUF: GP: 66, G: 25, A: 35, P: 60, +/-: -1, H: 58, SH: 281
S73 BUF: GP: 66, G: 31, A: 41, P: 72, +/-: 23, H: 48, SH: 305
S74 BUF/WPG: GP: 66, G: 17, A: 47, P: 64, +/-: 33, H: 101, SH: 164
TOT : GP: 924, G: 389, A: 547, P: 936, +/-: 275, H: 1014, SH: 3263
SHL PLAYOFF STATS
S61 BUF: GP: 9, G: 2, A: 6, P: 8, +/-: 4, H: 11, SH: 24
S62 BUF: GP: 9, G: 3, A: 1, P: 4, +/-: 2, H: 5, SH: 25
S63 BUF: GP: 12, G: 1, A: 2, P: 3, +/-: -1, H: 32, SH: 33
S64 BUF: GP: 11, G: 2, A: 2, P: 4, +/-: -6, H: 12, SH: 41
S65 BUF: GP: 18, G: 4, A: 7, P: 11, +/-: 8, H: 34, SH: 62
S66 BUF: GP: 16, G: 11, A: 9, P: 20, +/-: 3, H: 13, SH: 49
S67 BUF: GP: 4, G: 2, A: 2, P: 4, +/-: -3, H: 3, SH: 20
S68 BUF: GP: 17, G: 6, A: 8, P: 14, +/-: -4, H: 11, SH: 75
S69 BUF: GP: 4, G: 1, A: 0, P: 1, +/-: -5, H: 2, SH: 13
S70 BUF: GP: 7, G: 1, A: 3, P: 4, +/-: -8, H: 2, SH: 25
S71 BUF: GP: 21, G: 12, A: 9, P: 21, +/-: 6, H: 24, SH: 97
S72 BUF: GP: 5, G: 0, A: 2, P: 2, +/-: -4, H: 7, SH: 25
S73 BUF: GP: 6, G: 3, A: 0, P: 3, +/-: -3, H: 11, SH: 33
S74 WPG: GP: 22, G: 3, A: 4, P: 7, +/-: -2, H: 15, SH: 37
TOT : GP: 161, G: 51, A: 55, P: 106, +/-: -11, H: 182, SH: 559
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KAL ÅKAR KEKKONEN | D | DETROIT FALCONS
NAME: Kal Åkar Kekkonen
BIRTHPLACE: The Wilderness, Gielinor
HEIGHT: 6'6"
WEIGHT: 240 lbs
NUMBER: 75
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SMJHL CAREER STATS
S74 DET: GP: 66, G: 6, A: 14, P: 20, +/-: 3, SH: 83, H: 76, SB: 29
S75 DET: GP: 66, G: 8, A: 22, P: 30, +/-: 31, SH: 129, H: 123, SB: 114

SMJHL PLAYOFF STATS
S74 DET: GP: 17, G: 3, A: 7, P: 10, +/-: 8, SH: 18, H: 16, SB: 5
S75 DET: GP: 14, G: 5, A: 6, P: 11, +/-: 2, SH: 40, H: 26, SB: 27
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Originally posted by Dangles13@Nov 24 2015, 10:25 PM


Every championship team has a true number 1 centre on their roster though.

Depends what you consider a "true" #1 center. i would say someone who can put up 60 points could be considered a true #1 center in todays game, and i wouldn't rule out Jenner not being a #1 Center, he played at a .5 PPG last year and this year is having his break out season (so far)

Guys like Duchene, Staal, Stephan, Backes, Plekanec, Bergeron, RNH, Backstrom are considered #1 centers but they are just 55-65 point guys. Hell Dubinsky is a 50-55 guy himself.

Johansen for Duchene imo :->

Originally posted by JayTee@Nov 24 2015, 10:33 PM


That isn't true. People talk about players all the time when they are at the bottom to see what value is. Doesn't mean he is shopping him.


Also teams still need a superstar to win. Simple and plain

#kovalev

Yes it is true. also teams with superstars dont always win. Plain and simple.

#Kovalevandproudofit

Originally posted by gorlab@Nov 24 2015, 10:39 PM
Johansen for Duchene imo :->

Doesn't really work for either team, aren't isn't colorado in columbus boat for needing defense?

TIL if a GM decides to talk about a player, they must be intending to trade them no questions asked!

#Kovalev

Oliver Cleary || Defence || Seattle Argonauts
---------------------------------
Player Name: Oliver Cleary
SHL Team: Seattle Argonauts
SMJHL Team: Detroit Falcons
Position: Defence
Height: 6'3"
Weight: 215 lbs
Born: Toronto, Ontario
---------------------------------
SHL Regular Season Statistics:
S48: GP: 50 | G: 3 | A: 9 | P: 12 | -12 | PIM: 38 | H: 84 | SB: 61
S49: GP: 50 | G: 3 | A: 7 | P: 10 | 7 | PIM: 62 | H: 135 | SB: 68
S50: GP: 50 | G: 5 | A: 13 | P: 18 | -3 | PIM: 52 | H: 148 | SB: 81
S51: GP: 50 | G: 7 | A: 19 | P: 26 | 17 | PIM: 130 | H: 119 | SB: 67
S52: GP: 50 | G: 1 | A: 12 | P: 13 | -3 | PIM: 89 | H: 157 | SB: 61
S53: GP: 50 | G: 16 | A: 20 | P: 36 | 19 | PIM: 22 | H: 58 | SB: 53
S54: GP: 50 | G: 7 | A: 23 | P: 30 | 14 | PIM: 12 | H: 100 | SB: 64
S55: GP: 50 | G: 8 | A: 16 | P: 24 | -14 | PIM: 24 | H: 92 | SB: 96
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SHL Playoff Statistics:
S48: Did Not Qualify
[pbl]S49: GP: 6 | G: 0 | A: 1 | P: 1 | -3 | PIM: 11 | H: 13 | SB: 8
S50: GP: 5 | G: 1 | A: 1 | P: 2 | -5 | PIM: 17 | H: 15 | SB: 15
S51: GP: 15 | G: 3 | A: 8 | P: 11 | 8 | PIM: 33 | H: 40 | SB: 20
S52: GP: 7 | G: 0 | A: 5 | P: 5 | -3 | PIM: 26 | H: 25 | SB: 7
S53: GP: 11 | G: 1 | A: 2 | P: 3 | 0 | PIM: 0 | H: 19 | SB: 17
S54: GP: 12 | G: 0 | A: 7 | P: 7 | -1 | PIM: 4 | H: 24 | SB: 20
S55: Did Not Qualify
[pbl]---------------------------------
SMJHL Regular Season Statistics:
S46: Did Not Play
S47: GP: 50 | G: 1 | A: 5 | P: 6 | 0 | PIM: 48 | H: 81 | SB: 51
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SMJHL Playoff Statistics:
S46: GP: 9 | G: 0 | A: 0 | P: 0 | -2 | PIM: 6 | H: 4 | SB: 0
S47: GP: 10 | G: 2 | A: 3 | P: 5 | 7 | PIM: 8 | H: 14 | SB: 4
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Transactions:
S46: Signed as pre-draft free agent with Detroit Falcons
S47: Drafted 14th Overall by Montreal Militia
S47: Traded to Detroit Falcons
S48: Drafted 4th overall to the Los Angeles Panthers
S48: Signed 3 years/1M Contract with Los Angeles Panthers
S48: Called up from Detroit to Los Angeles
S51: Re-signed 3 years/3M with Los Angeles Panthers
S54: Re-signed 2 years/6M with Los Angeles Panthers
S56: Traded to Manhattan Rage
S56: Signed 4 years/6M with Manhattan Rage
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Awards
S47: Golden Aardvark Award for a contract holdout with the Montreal Militia  

Originally posted by Rezik@Nov 24 2015, 10:39 PM


Yes it is true.  also teams with superstars dont always win. Plain and simple.

#Kovalevandproudofit

When was the last time a team won a Stanley Cup without a superstar?

Don't worry, I'll wait.

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Originally posted by Maxy@Nov 24 2015, 10:41 PM

When was the last time a team won a Stanley Cup without a superstar?

Don't worry, I'll wait.

Sorry i missed where i said only championship winning teams, not playoff teams

Dont worry, I'll wait.

#Kovalevandproudofit

Originally posted by Rezik@Nov 24 2015, 10:42 PM


Sorry i missed where i said only championship winning teams, not playoff teams

Dont worry, I'll wait.

#Kovalevandproudofit

So you're content just making the playoffs... Lol... Okay then.

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Originally posted by Rezik@Nov 24 2015, 07:39 PM


Yes it is true.  also teams with superstars dont always win. Plain and simple.

#Kovalevandproudofit

You are right teams with superstars don't always win but every team that wins.... does.


So congrats on making a counter arguement that makes no sense and doesn't pertain to your, "Don't need a superstar to win" logic.

Originally posted by Maxy@Nov 24 2015, 10:41 PM

When was the last time a team won a Stanley Cup without a superstar?

Don't worry, I'll wait.

Columbus in 2020 after trading Johanson

I would actually argue 95 Devils

Oliver Cleary || Defence || Seattle Argonauts
---------------------------------
Player Name: Oliver Cleary
SHL Team: Seattle Argonauts
SMJHL Team: Detroit Falcons
Position: Defence
Height: 6'3"
Weight: 215 lbs
Born: Toronto, Ontario
---------------------------------
SHL Regular Season Statistics:
S48: GP: 50 | G: 3 | A: 9 | P: 12 | -12 | PIM: 38 | H: 84 | SB: 61
S49: GP: 50 | G: 3 | A: 7 | P: 10 | 7 | PIM: 62 | H: 135 | SB: 68
S50: GP: 50 | G: 5 | A: 13 | P: 18 | -3 | PIM: 52 | H: 148 | SB: 81
S51: GP: 50 | G: 7 | A: 19 | P: 26 | 17 | PIM: 130 | H: 119 | SB: 67
S52: GP: 50 | G: 1 | A: 12 | P: 13 | -3 | PIM: 89 | H: 157 | SB: 61
S53: GP: 50 | G: 16 | A: 20 | P: 36 | 19 | PIM: 22 | H: 58 | SB: 53
S54: GP: 50 | G: 7 | A: 23 | P: 30 | 14 | PIM: 12 | H: 100 | SB: 64
S55: GP: 50 | G: 8 | A: 16 | P: 24 | -14 | PIM: 24 | H: 92 | SB: 96
---------------------------------
SHL Playoff Statistics:
S48: Did Not Qualify
[pbl]S49: GP: 6 | G: 0 | A: 1 | P: 1 | -3 | PIM: 11 | H: 13 | SB: 8
S50: GP: 5 | G: 1 | A: 1 | P: 2 | -5 | PIM: 17 | H: 15 | SB: 15
S51: GP: 15 | G: 3 | A: 8 | P: 11 | 8 | PIM: 33 | H: 40 | SB: 20
S52: GP: 7 | G: 0 | A: 5 | P: 5 | -3 | PIM: 26 | H: 25 | SB: 7
S53: GP: 11 | G: 1 | A: 2 | P: 3 | 0 | PIM: 0 | H: 19 | SB: 17
S54: GP: 12 | G: 0 | A: 7 | P: 7 | -1 | PIM: 4 | H: 24 | SB: 20
S55: Did Not Qualify
[pbl]---------------------------------
SMJHL Regular Season Statistics:
S46: Did Not Play
S47: GP: 50 | G: 1 | A: 5 | P: 6 | 0 | PIM: 48 | H: 81 | SB: 51
---------------------------------
SMJHL Playoff Statistics:
S46: GP: 9 | G: 0 | A: 0 | P: 0 | -2 | PIM: 6 | H: 4 | SB: 0
S47: GP: 10 | G: 2 | A: 3 | P: 5 | 7 | PIM: 8 | H: 14 | SB: 4
---------------------------------
Transactions:
S46: Signed as pre-draft free agent with Detroit Falcons
S47: Drafted 14th Overall by Montreal Militia
S47: Traded to Detroit Falcons
S48: Drafted 4th overall to the Los Angeles Panthers
S48: Signed 3 years/1M Contract with Los Angeles Panthers
S48: Called up from Detroit to Los Angeles
S51: Re-signed 3 years/3M with Los Angeles Panthers
S54: Re-signed 2 years/6M with Los Angeles Panthers
S56: Traded to Manhattan Rage
S56: Signed 4 years/6M with Manhattan Rage
————————————————
Awards
S47: Golden Aardvark Award for a contract holdout with the Montreal Militia  

Originally posted by Maxy@Nov 24 2015, 10:43 PM

So you're content just making the playoffs... Lol... Okay then.

Yeah the being a playoff team year in and out year out really sucks :lol:

Plus have you seen the Blue Jackets short history? we'll take winning a playoff series :lol: :lol:

Originally posted by JayTee@Nov 24 2015, 10:43 PM


You are right teams with superstars don't always win but every team that wins.... does.


So congrats on making a counter arguement that makes no sense and doesn't pertain to your, "Don't need a superstar to win" logic.

I mean it was a proven fact.

Originally posted by Rezik@Nov 24 2015, 10:38 PM


Depends what you consider a "true"  #1 center. i would say someone who can put up 60 points could be considered a true #1 center in todays game,  and i wouldn't rule out Jenner not being a #1 Center, he played at a .5 PPG last year and this year is having his break out season (so far)

Guys like Duchene, Staal, Stephan, Backes, Plekanec, Bergeron, RNH, Backstrom are considered #1 centers but they are just 55-65 point guys. Hell Dubinsky is a 50-55 guy himself.

Staal WAS a true #1 center, not any more, and he has 7 seasons with 70 or more points
I'm assuming you mean Stepan, I wouldn't consider him a star center either, he's a #1 center but he's not an elite center
Backes is a power forward, he brings far more to the team than just points
Plekanec is nothing special
Bergeron is an ELITE two way center without question
RNH is not a #1 center yet
Backstrom has 4 seasons over 70 points including a 100 point season, and back to back seasons with over 75 points.

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