Originally posted by gfridge@Nov 1 2017, 10:25 PM
Jesus fucking christ this thread.

There's clearly concern and a trend surrounding double shifting.  The reasons for it are irrelevant.  Whether it's advantageous is almost irrelevant.  The fact of the matter is that it's at least tenable (because STHS allows it) and it's proven enough success that people are trying it.

Whether this is a root problem or a symptom of another problem is irrelevant.  It's having an impact on the league meta -- contracts, the number of available slots on a team, and the "start" of a new player's career.  Players and GM's alike have expressed concern (in high numbers based on this thread) that they don't want to be in a league where 6F is a thing.

So let's start with 9F as a rule, starting S39.  What do we lose from that?  That guarantees that there will be at least 126 forward slots in S39.  Right now we risk moving closer to a lower limit of 84.  This has implications for SHL and SMJHL players alike (and tweeners).  This gives everyone ample time to draft, mentor, and sign the right players/depth to field a responsible lineup on opening night.

This also gives us time to identify what TPE level someone contributes at.  I'm at ~600 TPE and 72 OVR.  Big Manious is at 81 OVR and is our top defenseman.  I feel like the non-linear nature of TPE:OVR tends to make us worry a bit much about this.

I said it earlier in the thread and I'll say it again, putting the word "should" next to numbers about players' experience with the league is what helps us solve this problem.  Something like "It should take X seasons for a player to contribute on line Y at the SHL".  600 TPE was me being super active (never missed Activity Check/Trainings/PT's) over 2 seasons in the SMJHL.  For someone to come in and contribute at the SHL level after 2 pretty active seasons seems solid to me.

Also, we need to cut the shit with the argument over not guaranteeing matchups.  Yeah, sometimes your F10-12 will be matched up against someone's F1-3.  That happens in real life too.  The fact is that if we have rules in place, it'll happen equally to everyone.  Right now there's a huge asymmetry where some people's F10-F12 literally is their top line and of course you're gimping yourself by playing with "depth".

Are there valid concerns about a 400 TPE player only putting up 5 points in 10 minutes a night at the SHL level?  Absolutely.  You know what's a greater evil?  Putting in 0 points in 0 minutes at the SHL level because their SHL team is rolling 6F.  I would've gotten really fucking impatient watching my player sit in the SMJHL at 350 eTPE because I wasn't needed in the bigs.  If we don't stop doubleshifting we get closer to that, even if it's not happening 100% on all teams.

/thread

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Originally posted by gfridge@Nov 1 2017, 05:25 PM

Are there valid concerns about a 400 TPE player only putting up 5 points in 10 minutes a night at the SHL level?  Absolutely.  You know what's a greater evil?  Putting in 0 points in 0 minutes at the SHL level because their SHL team is rolling 6F.  I would've gotten really fucking impatient watching my player sit in the SMJHL at 350 eTPE because I wasn't needed in the bigs.  If we don't stop doubleshifting we get closer to that, even if it's not happening 100% on all teams.

just responding to this cause the rest of the post is completely valid and the rule change is doable and probably the best option going forward.

Winnipeg, the example you are using, is using 6F BECAUSE their forward prospects CHOOSE to stay down. You chose to go up because you wanted to play in the SHL, and had I made that same decision, Winnipeg would have accommodated me.

Other than that though, yeah this is pretty /thread

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Originally posted by Wasty@Nov 1 2017, 01:48 PM

You can guarantee matchups if you’re playing against the same 6 players every time you play against a team. It’s not hard to see that there is a good chance a 3rd line on a depth team might play a 3rd line of a double shifting team and see the discrepancies in skill level. Why are you planning on a speculation? Like you assume a 3rd line of actives will turn inactive if they have to move up but it’s been proven that that isn’t the case, most people turn inactive after countless seasons of just training and always saying “bank this tpe”  and always playing as a 350 player with 300+ banked tpe just waiting.. that’s 3 seasons of just training for banked tpe, that to me is more boring than ever playing a depth role and fighting for a better spot. Being a rookie IS hard in any league.. why are we coddling them and making it easier for them?

Bojo asked for possible downsides. That is a possible downside. Not saying I think it is likely or anything.

 

Originally posted by gfridge@Nov 1 2017, 04:25 PM
Jesus fucking christ this thread.

There's clearly concern and a trend surrounding double shifting.  The reasons for it are irrelevant.  Whether it's advantageous is almost irrelevant.  The fact of the matter is that it's at least tenable (because STHS allows it) and it's proven enough success that people are trying it.

Whether this is a root problem or a symptom of another problem is irrelevant.  It's having an impact on the league meta -- contracts, the number of available slots on a team, and the "start" of a new player's career.  Players and GM's alike have expressed concern (in high numbers based on this thread) that they don't want to be in a league where 6F is a thing.

So let's start with 9F as a rule, starting S39.  What do we lose from that?  That guarantees that there will be at least 126 forward slots in S39.  Right now we risk moving closer to a lower limit of 84.  This has implications for SHL and SMJHL players alike (and tweeners).  This gives everyone ample time to draft, mentor, and sign the right players/depth to field a responsible lineup on opening night.

This also gives us time to identify what TPE level someone contributes at.  I'm at ~600 TPE and 72 OVR.  Big Manious is at 81 OVR and is our top defenseman.  I feel like the non-linear nature of TPE:OVR tends to make us worry a bit much about this.

I said it earlier in the thread and I'll say it again, putting the word "should" next to numbers about players' experience with the league is what helps us solve this problem.  Something like "It should take X seasons for a player to contribute on line Y at the SHL".  600 TPE was me being super active (never missed Activity Check/Trainings/PT's) over 2 seasons in the SMJHL.  For someone to come in and contribute at the SHL level after 2 pretty active seasons seems solid to me.

Also, we need to cut the shit with the argument over not guaranteeing matchups.  Yeah, sometimes your F10-12 will be matched up against someone's F1-3.  That happens in real life too.  The fact is that if we have rules in place, it'll happen equally to everyone.  Right now there's a huge asymmetry where some people's F10-F12 literally is their top line and of course you're gimping yourself by playing with "depth".

Are there valid concerns about a 400 TPE player only putting up 5 points in 10 minutes a night at the SHL level?  Absolutely.  You know what's a greater evil?  Putting in 0 points in 0 minutes at the SHL level because their SHL team is rolling 6F.  I would've gotten really fucking impatient watching my player sit in the SMJHL at 350 eTPE because I wasn't needed in the bigs.  If we don't stop doubleshifting we get closer to that, even if it's not happening 100% on all teams.

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Another issue is teams that play less players are rewarded with more cap space due to signing fillers at 500k. Players above 700 tpe require a $3,000,000 contract. These contracts add up fast when signing players for your 3rd line or 3rd defensive pairing. Again everybody could just play 10 skaters currently... that is in no way good for the health of the league and teams that do this can offer players higher contracts.

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So, when is gfridge getting into HO? Soon? Kid's got chops.

Originally posted by mpc@Nov 1 2017, 06:50 PM
So, when is gfridge getting into HO? Soon? Kid's got chops.

As soon as he finishes that sim engine.

Originally posted by Beaujeaux@Nov 1 2017, 07:06 PM



As soon as he finishes that sim engine.

) he's the savior we need, not the one we deserve

Originally posted by gfridge@Nov 1 2017, 05:25 PM
Jesus fucking christ this thread.

There's clearly concern and a trend surrounding double shifting.  The reasons for it are irrelevant.  Whether it's advantageous is almost irrelevant.  The fact of the matter is that it's at least tenable (because STHS allows it) and it's proven enough success that people are trying it.

Whether this is a root problem or a symptom of another problem is irrelevant.  It's having an impact on the league meta -- contracts, the number of available slots on a team, and the "start" of a new player's career.  Players and GM's alike have expressed concern (in high numbers based on this thread) that they don't want to be in a league where 6F is a thing.

So let's start with 9F as a rule, starting S39.  What do we lose from that?  That guarantees that there will be at least 126 forward slots in S39.  Right now we risk moving closer to a lower limit of 84.  This has implications for SHL and SMJHL players alike (and tweeners).  This gives everyone ample time to draft, mentor, and sign the right players/depth to field a responsible lineup on opening night.

This also gives us time to identify what TPE level someone contributes at.  I'm at ~600 TPE and 72 OVR.  Big Manious is at 81 OVR and is our top defenseman.  I feel like the non-linear nature of TPE:OVR tends to make us worry a bit much about this.

I said it earlier in the thread and I'll say it again, putting the word "should" next to numbers about players' experience with the league is what helps us solve this problem.  Something like "It should take X seasons for a player to contribute on line Y at the SHL".  600 TPE was me being super active (never missed Activity Check/Trainings/PT's) over 2 seasons in the SMJHL.  For someone to come in and contribute at the SHL level after 2 pretty active seasons seems solid to me.

Also, we need to cut the shit with the argument over not guaranteeing matchups.  Yeah, sometimes your F10-12 will be matched up against someone's F1-3.  That happens in real life too.  The fact is that if we have rules in place, it'll happen equally to everyone.  Right now there's a huge asymmetry where some people's F10-F12 literally is their top line and of course you're gimping yourself by playing with "depth".

Are there valid concerns about a 400 TPE player only putting up 5 points in 10 minutes a night at the SHL level?  Absolutely.  You know what's a greater evil?  Putting in 0 points in 0 minutes at the SHL level because their SHL team is rolling 6F.  I would've gotten really fucking impatient watching my player sit in the SMJHL at 350 eTPE because I wasn't needed in the bigs.  If we don't stop doubleshifting we get closer to that, even if it's not happening 100% on all teams.

you so smart gfridge

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NAME: Kari Kekkonen
BIRTHPLACE: Oulu, Finland
HEIGHT: 6'1"
WEIGHT: 185 lbs
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S19 KEL: GP: 40, G: 10, A: 26, P: 36, +/-: 16, H: 42

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S26 LAP: GP: 50, G: 4, A: 5, P: 9, +/-: -13, H: 94
S27 LAP: GP: 50, G: 6, A: 9, P: 15, +/-: -2, H: 35
S28 LAP: GP: 50, G: 7, A: 10, P: 17, +/-: -2, H: 96
S29 LAP: GP: 50, G: 13, A: 21, P: 34, +/-: -15, H: 85
S30 LAP: GP: 50, G: 23, A: 22, P: 45, +/-: 4, H: 130
S31 LAP: GP: 50, G: 20, A: 18, P: 38, +/-: 5, H: 162
S32 LAP: GP: 50, G: 18, A: 28, P: 46, +/-: 27, H: 183
S33 LAP: GP: 50, G: 17, A: 22, P: 39, +/-: 20, H: 210
S34 LAP: GP: 50, G: 12, A: 25, P: 37, +/-: -2, H: 131
S35 LAP: GP: 50, G: 10, A: 22, P: 32, +/-: -3, H: 115
S36 LAP: GP: 50, G: 11, A: 20, P: 31, +/-: 10, H: 138
S37 LAP: GP: 36, G: 9, A: 17, P: 26, +/-: -1, H: 72
S37 WKP: GP: 14, G: 1, A: 0, P: 1, +/-: -4, H: 19
TOT : GP: 650, G: 153, A: 222, P: 375, +/-: 20, H: 1545
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S25 LAP: DNQ
S26 LAP: DNQ
S27 LAP: DNQ
S28 LAP: DNQ
S29 LAP: DNQ
S30 LAP: DNQ
S31 LAP: DNQ
S32 LAP: GP: 5, G: 1, A: 3, P: 4, +/-: -2, H: 15
S33 LAP: GP: 12, G: 2, A: 3, P: 5, +/-: 0, H: 38
S34 LAP: GP: 7, G: 1, A: 3, P: 4, +/-: 3, H: 23
S35 LAP: GP: 5, G: 1, A: 1, P: 2, +/-: -4, H: 4
S36 LAP: DNQ
S37 WKP: GP: 12, G: 0, A: 2, P: 2, +/-: -2, H: 35
TOT : GP: 41, G: 5, A: 12, P: 17, +/-: -5, H: 115
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NUMBER: 65
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S40 BUF: GP: 50, G: 5, A: 17, P: 22, +/-: -28, H: 14, SB: 86
S41 BUF: GP: 50, G: 10, A: 21, P: 31, +/-: -3, H: 9, SB: 78
S42 BUF: GP: 50, G: 9, A: 21, P: 30, +/-: 2, H: 13, SB: 65
S43 BUF: GP: 50, G: 6, A: 24, P: 30, +/-: 1, H: 8, SB: 51
S44 BUF: GP: 50, G: 6, A: 28, P: 34, +/-: -6, H: 10, SB: 63
S45 BUF: GP: 50, G: 4, A: 37, P: 41, +/-: 10, H: 130, SB: 71
S46 BUF: GP: 50, G: 6, A: 36, P: 42, +/-: 25, H: 139, SB: 73
S47 BUF: GP: 50, G: 5, A: 23, P: 28, +/-: -4, H: 137, SB: 76
S48 BUF: GP: 50, G: 7, A: 25, P: 32, +/-: 9, H: 151, SB: 70
S49 BUF: GP: 50, G: 6, A: 22, P: 28, +/-: 5, H: 159, SB: 66
S50 BUF: GP: 50, G: 6, A: 20, P: 26, +/-: 14, H: 152, SB: 72
S51 BUF: GP: 50, G: 3, A: 23, P: 26, +/-: 8, H: 143, SB: 50
S52 BUF: GP: 50, G: 9, A: 21, P: 30, +/-: -3, H: 141, SB: 71
S53 BUF: GP: 50, G: 5, A: 14, P: 19, +/-: 23, H: 50, SB: 98
TOT : GP: 700, G: 87, A: 332, P: 419, +/-: 53, H: 1256, SB: 990
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SHL PLAYOFF STATS
S40 BUF: DNQ
S41 BUF: GP: 7, G: 3, A: 2, P: 5, +/-: -3, H: 0, SB: 10
S42 BUF: GP: 5, G: 0, A: 1, P: 1, +/-: -9, H: 2, SB: 10
S43 BUF: GP: 9, G: 0, A: 5, P: 5, +/-: -1, H: 1, SB: 8
S44 BUF: DNQ
S45 BUF: DNQ
S46 BUF: GP: 17, G: 0, A: 12, P: 12, +/-: 11, H: 59, SB: 28
S47 BUF: GP: 13, G: 0, A: 5, P: 5, +/-: 2, H: 32, SB: 18
S48 BUF: GP: 22, G: 2, A: 10, P: 12, +/-: 2, H: 64, SB: 32
S49 BUF: GP: 5, G: 0, A: 5, P: 5, +/-: 5, H: 15, SB: 8
S50 BUF: GP: 6, G: 0, A: 5, P: 5, +/-: -2, H: 18, SB: 12
S51 BUF: GP: 8, G: 2, A: 5, P: 7, +/-: -3, H: 15, SB: 11
S52 BUF: GP: 15, G: 4, A: 5, P: 9, +/-: 4, H: 47, SB: 26
S53 BUF: GP: 4, G: 0, A: 0, P: 0, +/-: 0, H: 6, SB: 13
TOT : GP: 111, G: 11, A: 55, P: 66, +/-: 6, H: 159, SB: 176
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BIRTHPLACE: Lappeenranta, Finland
HEIGHT: 6'3"
WEIGHT: 225 lbs
NUMBER: 8
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S53 DET: GP: 3, G: 0, A: 1, P: 1, +/-: -1, H: 2, SB: 0
S54 DET: GP: 50, G: 2, A: 8, P: 10, +/-: -6, H: 15, SB: 37
S55 DET: GP: 50, G: 4, A: 12, P: 16, +/-: -24, H: 32, SB: 24
S56 DET: GP: 50, G: 4, A: 17, P: 21, +/-: -20, H: 52, SB: 71
S57 ANA: GP: 66, G: 6, A: 20, P: 26, +/-: 14, H: 52, SB: 70
TOT : GP: 219, G: 16, A: 58, P: 74, +/-: -37, H: 153, SB: 202
SMJHL PLAYOFF STATS
S53 DET: DNP
S54 DET: GP: 7, G: 0, A: 0, P: 0, +/-: 0, H: 2, SB: 3
S55 DET: GP: 4, G: 0, A: 1, P: 1, +/-: -2, H: 3, SB: 0
S56 DET: GP: 5, G: 2, A: 2, P: 4, +/-: 0, H: 3, SB: 7
S57 ANA: GP: 21, G: 2, A: 13, P: 15, +/-: 5, H: 13, SB: 34
TOT : GP: 37, G: 4, A: 16, P: 20, +/-: 3, H: 22, SB: 44
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BIRTHPLACE: Lohja, Finland
HEIGHT: 6'4"
WEIGHT: 220 lbs
NUMBER: 69
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S61 BUF: GP: 66, G: 10, A: 28, P: 38, +/-: 21, H: 59, SH: 134
S62 BUF: GP: 66, G: 19, A: 36, P: 55, +/-: 9, H: 84, SH: 194
S63 BUF: GP: 66, G: 17, A: 14, P: 31, +/-: -13, H: 91, SH: 148
S64 BUF: GP: 66, G: 16, A: 51, P: 67, +/-: 36, H: 82, SH: 212
S65 BUF: GP: 66, G: 25, A: 41, P: 66, +/-: 33, H: 136, SH: 230
S66 BUF: GP: 66, G: 38, A: 43, P: 81, +/-: 18, H: 64, SH: 222
S67 BUF: GP: 66, G: 40, A: 45, P: 85, +/-: -6, H: 76, SH: 224
S68 BUF: GP: 66, G: 47, A: 46, P: 93, +/-: 45, H: 51, SH: 326
S69 BUF: GP: 66, G: 35, A: 31, P: 66, +/-: 22, H: 43, SH: 269
S70 BUF: GP: 66, G: 33, A: 48, P: 81, +/-: 18, H: 66, SH: 297
S71 BUF: GP: 66, G: 36, A: 41, P: 77, +/-: 37, H: 55, SH: 257
S72 BUF: GP: 66, G: 25, A: 35, P: 60, +/-: -1, H: 58, SH: 281
S73 BUF: GP: 66, G: 31, A: 41, P: 72, +/-: 23, H: 48, SH: 305
S74 BUF/WPG: GP: 66, G: 17, A: 47, P: 64, +/-: 33, H: 101, SH: 164
TOT : GP: 924, G: 389, A: 547, P: 936, +/-: 275, H: 1014, SH: 3263
SHL PLAYOFF STATS
S61 BUF: GP: 9, G: 2, A: 6, P: 8, +/-: 4, H: 11, SH: 24
S62 BUF: GP: 9, G: 3, A: 1, P: 4, +/-: 2, H: 5, SH: 25
S63 BUF: GP: 12, G: 1, A: 2, P: 3, +/-: -1, H: 32, SH: 33
S64 BUF: GP: 11, G: 2, A: 2, P: 4, +/-: -6, H: 12, SH: 41
S65 BUF: GP: 18, G: 4, A: 7, P: 11, +/-: 8, H: 34, SH: 62
S66 BUF: GP: 16, G: 11, A: 9, P: 20, +/-: 3, H: 13, SH: 49
S67 BUF: GP: 4, G: 2, A: 2, P: 4, +/-: -3, H: 3, SH: 20
S68 BUF: GP: 17, G: 6, A: 8, P: 14, +/-: -4, H: 11, SH: 75
S69 BUF: GP: 4, G: 1, A: 0, P: 1, +/-: -5, H: 2, SH: 13
S70 BUF: GP: 7, G: 1, A: 3, P: 4, +/-: -8, H: 2, SH: 25
S71 BUF: GP: 21, G: 12, A: 9, P: 21, +/-: 6, H: 24, SH: 97
S72 BUF: GP: 5, G: 0, A: 2, P: 2, +/-: -4, H: 7, SH: 25
S73 BUF: GP: 6, G: 3, A: 0, P: 3, +/-: -3, H: 11, SH: 33
S74 WPG: GP: 22, G: 3, A: 4, P: 7, +/-: -2, H: 15, SH: 37
TOT : GP: 161, G: 51, A: 55, P: 106, +/-: -11, H: 182, SH: 559
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NAME: Kal Åkar Kekkonen
BIRTHPLACE: The Wilderness, Gielinor
HEIGHT: 6'6"
WEIGHT: 240 lbs
NUMBER: 75
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SMJHL CAREER STATS
S74 DET: GP: 66, G: 6, A: 14, P: 20, +/-: 3, SH: 83, H: 76, SB: 29
S75 DET: GP: 66, G: 8, A: 22, P: 30, +/-: 31, SH: 129, H: 123, SB: 114

SMJHL PLAYOFF STATS
S74 DET: GP: 17, G: 3, A: 7, P: 10, +/-: 8, SH: 18, H: 16, SB: 5
S75 DET: GP: 14, G: 5, A: 6, P: 11, +/-: 2, SH: 40, H: 26, SB: 27
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Originally posted by Waters@Nov 1 2017, 05:19 PM

just responding to this cause the rest of the post is completely valid and the rule change is doable and probably the best option going forward.

Winnipeg, the example you are using, is using 6F BECAUSE their forward prospects CHOOSE to stay down. You chose to go up because you wanted to play in the SHL, and had I made that same decision, Winnipeg would have accommodated me.

Other than that though, yeah this is pretty /thread

Its not even worth it, sorry I quoted you. Nothing is going to change.

Piotr Horvat | D | Texas Renegades
SMJHL Regular Season Statistics
S47 KEL GP: 50, G: 3, A: 17, P: 20, +/-: 8, Hits: 73, SB: 56
S48 KEL GP: 50, G: 7, A: 21, P: 28, +/-: -21, Hits: 107, SB: 69
S49 KEL GP: 50, G: 9, A: 23, P: 32, +/-: 10, Hits: 99, SB: 59
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SHL Regular Season Statistics
S50 TEX GP: 50, G: 4, A: 19, P: 23, +/-: -13, Hits: 103, SB: 72
S51 TEX GP: 50, G: 8, A: 21, P: 29, +/-: -8, Hits: 115, SB: 77
S52 TEX GP: 50, G: 3, A: 22, P: 25, +/-: -5, Hits: 107, SB: 79
S53 TEX GP: 50, G: 2, A: 8, P: 10, +/-: -18, Hits: 80, SB: 66
S54 TEX GP: 50, G: 1, A: 9, P: 10, +/-: -4, Hits: 117, SB: 99
S55 TEX GP: 50, G: 8, A: 19, P: 27, +/-: 0, Hits: 137, SB: 105
S56 TEX GP: 50, G: 3, A: 22, P: 25, +/-: 6, Hits: 144, SB: 78
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SHL Regular Season Career Statistics
S34 TEX GP: 50, G: 4, A: 6, P: 10, +/-: -14, PIMS: 41, Hits: 115
S35 TEX GP: 50, G: 4, A: 2, P: 6, +/-: -5, PIMS: 18, Hits: 86
S36 TEX GP: 50, G: 3, A: 7, P: 10, +/-: -13, PIMS: 53, Hits: 95
S37 TEX GP: 50, G: 1, A: 7, P: 8, +/-: -30, PIMS: 35, Hits: 71
S38 TEX GP: 50, G: 8, A: 15, P: 23, +/-: 4, PIMS: 80, Hits: 203
S39 TEX GP: 50, G: 18, A: 25, P: 43, +/-: 13, PIMS: 69. Hits: 211
S40 TEX GP: 50, G: 12, A: 21, P: 33, +/-: 11, PIMS: 45, Hits: 167
S41 TEX GP: 50, G: 11, A: 35, P: 46, +/-: -14, PIMS: 59, Hits: 190
S42 TEX GP: 50, G: 16, A: 31, P: 47, +/-: -5, PIMS: 56, Hits: 206
S43 TEX GP: 50, G: 16, A: 23, P: 39, +/-: 4, PIMS: 50, Hits: 225
S44 TEX GP: 50, G: 15, A: 27, P: 42, +/-: -5, PIMS: 62, Hits: 212
S45 TEX GP: 50, G: 11, A: 30, P: 41, +/-: -2, PIMS: 56, Hits: 206
S46 NOLA GP: 50, G: 3, A: 15, P: 18, +/-: -3, PIMS: 48, Hits: 114
S47 NOLA GP: 50, G: 5, A: 6, P: 11, +/-: -9, PIMS: 18, Hits: 119
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SHL Playoff Statistics
S34 TEX GP: 13, G: 1, A: 1, P: 2, +/-: -1, PIMS: 10, Hits: 16
S35 TEX GP: 6, G: 0, A: 0, P: 0, +/-: 1, PIMS: 0, Hits: 1
S36 TEX GP: 16, G: 2, A: 5, P: 7, +/-: 1, PIMS: 16, Hits: 45
S37 TEX GP: 4, G: 0, A: 3, P: 3, +/-: -2, PIMS: 0, Hits: 4
S40 TEX GP: 5, G: 0, A: 1, P: 1, +/-: -1, PIMS: 4, Hits: 15
S42 TEX GP: 5, G: 0, A: 4, P: 4, +/-: 3, PIMS: 6, Hits: 21
S45 TEX GP: 11, G: 2, A: 6, P: 10, +/-: 4, PIMS: 8, Hits: 46
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Awards
S31 and S32 Four Star Champion
S36 Challenge Cup Champion
S38 IIHF Gold Medalist
S43 IIHF Silver Medalist

Originally posted by Slowpoke@Nov 3 2017, 01:19 PM

Its not even worth it, sorry I quoted you. Nothing is going to change.

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Height: 6'2"
Weight: 225 lbs
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S64: Drafted by Kelowna Knights with the 24th overall pick in S64 SMJHL Entry Draft

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Originally posted by Samee@Oct 31 2017, 05:17 PM
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hi

hi

I never figured my player would be such a focal point of discussion lol I can post be more active if that's what people want :unsure: I've tended to just stick to the discord as of late