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hockeyis66 · 11-20-2017, 11:08 AM

TASK ONE: Pick either of the teams currently in the finals. Which game of theirs in the playoffs was the most important/crucial in them getting to this point this season? Must be at least 150 words and include either two statistics or some (reasonable) justification of narrative justifying your choice.

For the Winnipeg Jets, game 3 of their first round playoff match against Texas was the most important win of getting them to where they are now.

Last season, the Jets went up 2 games to 0 on Texas by winning both games at home and then dropped the next four to get eliminated. This season once again, they opened up the first two games at home against Texas and won game one by the score of 6 to 2 and then won game two by the score of 3 to 1. Things were starting to mirror last season and in order to get over the Texas hump and put the defending champs on their heels, the Jets had to exercise their demons and win game 3 on the road. And not only did they do that, they did it in convincing fashion with a 7 to 1 win.

Led by Big Manious who had a goal and four assists and three point games from Pellegrino, Visser, Weber and McZehrl, the Jets took down Texas in game 3 and then completed the sweep in game 4 to give them the confidence they needed as well as get rid of the memories from the season before.

TASK TWO: Who is your choice for the unsung hero of the S37 playoffs up to this point? Must be at least 150 words and include at least two statistics in support.

The unsung hero so far for the playoffs is Toronto goalie and ageless wonder, Mark Harter. He has a 7-3 record so far this season with no games going into overtime and won 6 straight games at one point. They were down 2 games to 1 against Minnesota and then he won the final three games against them and the first three games against West Kendall to put them in a 3-0 hole in the
eastern conference finals.

Through near the end of the second round, Harter had the most wins of any goalie so far, tied for the second best save percentage with his current finals goalie opponent Lukas Berger at .925 and his goals against was 2.30 which is good for 3rd best. He also has one shutout to his name.

The most important thing he provides is his leadership in the locker room and when his team needed him the most, he only gave up one goal each in games 4 and 5 against Minnesota allowing his team to get out of a 2-1 hole and win the series.

TASK FOUR: Who is the favorite and who is the underdog of this series? Are they almost even, or is there a big skill difference between the two teams? Must be at least 150 words and include at least three statistics in support.

Winnipeg has to be the clear favorite here â€“ they had 32 wins and 65 points during the regular season whereas Toronto had 25 wins and 54 points. While both teams had great scoring seasons and averaged nearly 3.4 goals per game or more, there is a big difference in goals against as the Jets gave up 2.82 goals per game and the North Stars gave up 3.38. This led to the Jets having a goal difference during the season of +31 and the North Stars were even.

Another big advantage Winnipeg has in is the faceoff circle as they win over 50% of their draws while Toronto wins about 48%. Faceoff wins are so key in the playoffs especially if you can win that big offensive zone draw to set up a goal or win the on the defensive side to clear the puck out of the zone if they are on the penalty kill.

Winnipeg has the better centers, little bit better on wing and defense and have the better goalie, so if Toronto happens to win the series, it should be considered quite the upset.

TASK SIX: Create three questions, one for each of three different players in the Challenge Cup and tag them. Playing in the Challenge Cup? Feel free to answer questions for your task or ask three of your own.

@Chris-McZehrl â€“ you signed with the jets in the off season as a free agent. Does making it to the finals justify your signing and was having this opportunity one of the main reasons why you signed with the Jets?

<a href='index.php?showuser=781' rel='nofollow' alt='profile link' class='user-tagged mgroup-3'>Mark</a> H â€“ did you expect Harter to play this well in the playoffs and be one of the main reasons why the North Stars have made it to the finals as the 3rd seed out of the east?

<a href='index.php?showuser=2103' rel='nofollow' alt='profile link' class='user-tagged mgroup-3'>hockeyis87</a> â€“ you made it to the finals in back to back seasons in Portland only to lose both times. What would winning the championship this season mean to you and your career?

Durden · 11-20-2017, 12:30 PM

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TASK ONE: Pick either of the teams currently in the finals. Which game of theirs in the playoffs was the most important/crucial in them getting to this point this season? Must be at least 150 words and include either two statistics or some (reasonable) justification of narrative justifying your choice.

The most crucial game of Toronto's current playoff run was game four against the Minnesota Chiefs. Minnesota had gone up on them 2 to 1 in the series, and it was important that Toronto come back from that deficit. They took game four 4 to 1, which put them back on an even footing, tying the series 2 to 2. This gave them the confidence and momentum they needed in order to finish off the series. If they lost this game, they lost the series. It helped that they had four different players score, and 8 total players put in goals. They really spread out their confidence and showed that they could get it done with a team effort and not simply rely on one person to get the job done. It really boosted them as a team and showed the hockey world that they're deep and are true contenders.

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TASK TWO: Who is your choice for the unsung hero of the S37 playoffs up to this point? Must be at least 150 words and include at least two statistics in support.

The unsung hero of the S37 playoffs so far is Corey Bearss. He wasn't completely invisible during the first round and a half, but had just 6 points in 8 games. But when it really mattered, Bearss turned it on. He had a bad game where he scored zero points and went -1, and that's all the impetus that he needed to kick his work ethic into over drive and put the team on his back. He scored 2 hat tricks in back to back games and helped the J-E-T-S Jets Jets Jets get to the finals. He then scored 1 of 4 goals during game 1 of the Finals. Despite losing in game 2, he helped his team get on the board and keep the game closer than was expected. He did the same for the next game as he kept the game tighter than expected. While he's not blowing everyone out of the water, he's doing great.

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TASK FOUR: Who is the favorite and who is the underdog of this series? Are they almost even, or is there a big skill difference between the two teams? Must be at least 150 words and include at least three statistics in support.

In the finals, the Winnipeg Jets have to be the favorite, and the Toronto North Stars have to be the underdogs. The Jets are crushing it so far and have a plus 17 goal differential, while the North Stars have a plus 8. While the North Stars are still putting up more goals than they allow, they're not close to the Jets numbers. The one thing that isn't helping the Jets though is their Penalty Kill. They are at the bottom with a 61.11 percent kill rate. The only plus to come out of this is that the North Stars absolutely suck while on the man advantage. They have converted just 14.29% of their power play opportunities. Winnipeg is also dominating in the shots category, as they take on average 36 shots, while. Toronto takes 31. Toronto allows less shots on goal with 30, but not by much. Winnipeg lets up on average, 31. Toronto needs to stay out of the box and find a way to score when they have the man advantage if they want a shot at winning this series.

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TASK SIX: Create three questions, one for each of three different players in the Challenge Cup and tag them. Playing in the Challenge Cup? Feel free to answer questions for your task or ask three of your own.

For Jason Visser: How does it feel to play so many minutes a night and still manage to carry your team? Aren't you tired after all that playing time? <a href='index.php?showuser=2264' rel='nofollow' alt='profile link' class='user-tagged mgroup-10'>ToeDragon84</a>

For Luke Flemming: As GM, don't you think you should give other guys a chance to play? Sucks to only see 11 guys on the ice every night. <a href='index.php?showuser=1722' rel='nofollow' alt='profile link' class='user-tagged mgroup-13'>Nereus</a>

For Lukas Berger: How does it feel to be relevant again? Gonna start more trash talk now that your team is winning? <a href='index.php?showuser=2038' rel='nofollow' alt='profile link' class='user-tagged mgroup-17'>TheLastOlympian07</a>

**RomanesEuntDomus** · 11-20-2017, 01:10 PM

Quote:TASK ONE: Pick either of the teams currently in the finals. Which game of theirs in the playoffs was the most important/crucial in them getting to this point this season? Must be at least 150 words and include either two statistics or some (reasonable) justification of narrative justifying your choice.

For me, the most important game for the eventual winners, the Winnipeg Jets, has to be the very first game of the postseason. There were many questions surrounding the team at that point as a lot of people saw them as a regular season sensation whose choice of lines and strategies could see them falter in the postseason, where deeper teams have traditionally done better. As a team without much significant playoff success in quite some time, many people including some on the Jets themselves, were skeptical whether the team could bring the same level of performance in the playoffs than they did in the regular season.

But then Winnipeg made a statement right out of the gate that silenced all these skeptical voices basically overnight. The Jets blew out the reigning Champion out of Texas by a score of 6-2 and also dominated in the shots category and almost all other statistics. At this point people instantly realized that this team wasn't a fluke and that they had what it takes to go all the way. The Jets never slowed down after that and they eventually managed to sweep the defending Champions, dominating the majority of the games and scoring at least six goals in three out of the four games. Within one series they went from a question mark to the team to beat, and it all started with a dominant showing in the very first game of the playoffs.

Quote:TASK TWO: Who is your choice for the unsung hero of the S37 playoffs up to this point? Must be at least 150 words and include at least two statistics in support.

For me, the unsung hero of the playoffs is actually a pair of players: Alek Koivu and Karl Hefeweizen, the third defensive pairing for the winning Jets. These two guys put in one of the most impressive showings that I've ever seen from players with very little ice-time as the only averaged about 14 minutes a game throughout the postseason, but they absolutely made the most out of their time on the ice. On a team that was heavily carried by the stars, they were there to lend the necessary support and to shut the door when necessary, putting up a +16 rating that was top among Jets defensemen and was only beaten by the dominant first line of Fleming, Evans and Pellegrino. On an individual level Koivus stats are the more impressive ones of the two, he managed to score an impressive 11 points in 18 games as a defensemen with only 14 minutes of ice time per game and no powerplay-time whatsoever. While his individual numbers aren't quite that impressive, Karl Hefeweizens personal storyline sure is. For much of the season he was barely an afterthough, a player that was brought up as a prime example in discussions about people who entered the SHL too early and who basically was seen as a liability to their team who would make a much better fit in the SMJHL. But then he showed the league that sometimes all it takes is one (post-)season to turn a player from a deer in the headlights to a key contributor on a cup-winning team.

Quote:TASK FOUR: Who is the favorite and who is the underdog of this series? Are they almost even, or is there a big skill difference between the two teams? Must be at least 150 words and include at least three statistics in support.

Well... I guess it's kinda too late for that now? But anyway, I'd argue that both teams were pretty even in many regards and it showed in the fact that the series went all the way to seven games, and that Winnipeg needed a big comeback effort to win it all after being down 3-1 at one point. Although for me, Winnipeg was still the favorite mainly due to their dominant showing against the Texas Renegades in round one. Sweeping the defending Champions in absolutely dominant fashion, completely blowing them out with six or more goals in three out of the four games, that sure was a statement heard around the league and it cemented them as the cup favorite for me. Personally speaking I hated the strategies that they used, but not for a hatred against the team but because I knew how effective they were and boy did they prove that once again.
The Jets weren't quite that dominant in the second round, where the Seattle Riot took them all the way to game seven, but through this Winnipeg got to prove that they can't just dominate other teams, but that they can also come through in the crunch time and come back from a deficit to then put it home in one or multiple games where everything is on the line - which was exactly what they then went on to repeat in the finals.

Quote:TASK SIX: Create three questions, one for each of three different players in the Challenge Cup and tag them. Playing in the Challenge Cup? Feel free to answer questions for your task or ask three of your own.

To Max Weber <a href='index.php?showuser=2378' rel='nofollow' alt='profile link' class='user-tagged mgroup-13'>MWHazard</a> - Does it give you some extra gratification to win the cup after so many people where so critical of the strategies that Winnipeg used? What do you think sets Winnipeg apart from other teams that used similar strategies, but failed? Has this win changed your perspective on the strats and possible rule changes?

To Karl Hefeweizen <a href='index.php?showuser=2651' rel='nofollow' alt='profile link' class='user-tagged mgroup-3'>gfridge</a> - How big was that playoff-campaign for your own morale and confidence after a very lackluster regular season? Did you have doubts and feel down after fifty games of being a non-factor or were your spirits always high?

To Cynthia Taylor <a href='index.php?showuser=1833' rel='nofollow' alt='profile link' class='user-tagged mgroup-3'>Cynthia</a> - This finals loss marks the end of an era for both you personally and the North Stars as a whole... Will it be tough to let go of that? And how proud are you to have been an integral part in making these last few years the most successful time in franchise history - and that's for a franchise that has been around since day one?

TheRealBK · 11-20-2017, 04:03 PM

TASK SIX: Create three questions, one for each of three different players in the Challenge Cup and tag them. Playing in the Challenge Cup? Feel free to answer questions for your task or ask three of your own.

I GUESS I'LL ASK THE QUESTIONS HERE

<a href='index.php?showuser=19' rel='nofollow' alt='profile link' class='user-tagged mgroup-3'>Jesster</a>
Interview

You've won a cup with Calgary before, back in the older days. What will the difference be between winning a cup with Calgary, and possibly winning one with Toronto?

<a href='index.php?showuser=1833' rel='nofollow' alt='profile link' class='user-tagged mgroup-3'>Cynthia</a>
Interview

Do you feel like this moment with the North Stars will be the ultimate icing on the cake if you win the Challenge Cup, and will this help solidify your player as a bonafide Hall of Famer?

<a href='index.php?showuser=2264' rel='nofollow' alt='profile link' class='user-tagged mgroup-10'>ToeDragon84</a>
There were a portion of people this season believing that the Jets wouldn't even make the playoffs, and just miss out. What do you have to say about the people who doubted Winnipeg this season, and will it be sweeter if a Challenge Cup is won?

TASK ONE: Pick either of the teams currently in the finals. Which game of theirs in the playoffs was the most important/crucial in them getting to this point this season? Must be at least 150 words and include either two statistics or some (reasonable) justification of narrative justifying your choice.

Toronto's quest to the Challenge Cup will be filled with 'What if's' through the course of the series. The biggest one will be 'What if New England were more in form and have made the playoffs? Would they have steamrolled through?'. That question will always be brought up, considering the talent that New England has on their team already. However, this isn't about what if's or what could have beens.
Toronto's quest to the Challenge Cup started with the Minnesota Chiefs, a quite regular name when you think of 'SHL Playoffs'. The biggest moment for them in that round was the convincing 4-1 win they had in Game 4 of the series. Already 2-1 down in the process, this started a chain reaction. Toronto would end up winning the next three games, and winning the series against the Chiefs, then winning the first three games in the West Kendall series, ultimately winning six games in a row. Outscoring their opponent 21-8 in the span of those six games, Toronto almost seemed unstoppable in that Eastern Conference. I truly feel like if that six game winning streak did not happen, we could have possibly had a different Eastern representative in the Challenge Cup finals.

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To defend my little piece here, I didn't think it was one game alone that helped them move on through the Eastern Conference. I truly felt like the six game winning streak that they went on really helped them carry momentum to get themselves to the Final. If this docks me points, then cool.

TASK TWO: Who is your choice for the unsung hero of the S37 playoffs up to this point? Must be at least 150 words and include at least two statistics in support.

When you think of the Winnipeg Jets this season, the most common names you find in the bunch are Luke Fleming, Jason Visser, Max Weber, Big Manious and VLAD McZerhl. I think a lot of us were surprised to see Don Pellegrino's performance for the club. Finishing 3rd in scoring for the team (11-12-23p), Pellegrino stepped up from being Winnipeg's token 6th forward, to being one of the biggest playoff performers this season. He was one of three players on the team that posted over 15% shooting accuracy, proving that he has a good chance hitting the back of the net with his shots (19.3%). Another big stat, that some people might pass over, was the fact that in 18 games played, he did not spend any of that time in the penalty box. 0 penalty minutes, especially in the heat of the playoffs, shows the discipline needed to play in big-time situations. Given that he's played in 12 full SHL seasons, this may be the moment of Don Pellegrino's career.

TASK FOUR: Who is the favorite and who is the underdog of this series? Are they almost even, or is there a big skill difference between the two teams? Must be at least 150 words and include at least three statistics in support.

The Winnipeg Jets, alone, have 8 players that are over 1000 TPE (Manious, McZehrl, Fleming, Pellegrino, Berger, Visser, Evans, Weber), and a good chunk of them are in the 1300-1400 range. Toronto, on the other hand, had 5 (Eriksson, Wert, Malkin, York, Rhys), with a lot of them flirting between 1000 and 1100. On paper, that would mean a considerable advantage to Winnipeg, despite the higher TPE group needing to spend more on their abilities.
Meanwhile, on the side of the game, Winnipeg had an up and down playoff road, sweeping Texas, then struggling to get to 7 with Seattle. Toronto had a slightly easier road to the final, winning in 6 against Minnesota, then winning in 5 against West Kendall, showing some proof that you don't need the big attribute numbers to perform.
With all of that being said, however, I think the North Stars still had the slight disadvantage, given that the Jets had the heavier fire power from their front lines ahead of Toronto's. Looking at their first line alone, Winnipeg's top line of Bearss-Visser-McZehrl is extremely intimidating (57-60-63 points respectively), compared to Toronto's top line of Eriksson-Jester-York (55-43-41 points). While Toronto's top line still looked great, you have to admit that you believed that Winnipeg's high power offense would give Mark Harter a tough time in goal (Their biggest example coming in Game 6 of the finals, where they lit up for 6 goals).

gfridge · 11-20-2017, 08:08 PM

TASK ONE: Pick either of the teams currently in the finals. Which game of theirs in the playoffs was the most important/crucial in them getting to this point this season? Must be at least 150 words and include either two statistics or some (reasonable) justification of narrative justifying your choice.

Anyone looking for the surge in the Winnipeg Jets' postseason momentum need look no further than their very first road game. Game 3 against the Texas Renegades saw a 2-0 team that many considered to be untested to this point. The Texas Renegades were surely not going to go down without a fight, and this was the Jets' first away game in enemy territory. We all know the result: a 7-1 beatdown that saw the Jets tighten their hands around the Renegades' throats, paving the way to an eventual sweep. The Jets outshot the opposition 42-28, leaning on Lukas Berger's 0.964 save percentage. That confidence in net freed them up to make aggressive plays, potting the 7 goals that would serve as a statement to the rest of the league. This statement served as a frame of reference in the Winnipeg Jets locker room, giving them (and the rest of the league) confidence that they could continue to storm their way to the Challenge Cup.

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TASK TWO: Who is your choice for the unsung hero of the S37 playoffs up to this point? Must be at least 150 words and include at least two statistics in support.
The Jets have relied upon their big stars to get them this far. Their second place regular season finish, their victorious first two rounds, and their 6 game win streak to start the post season are all headlined by the big name son the scoresheet. You've got your Jason Visser's, your Corey Bearss's, and the star power that comprises the Winnipeg Top 6 firing big bombs. On the back end, we have household names like Max Weber and Big Manious. The unsung hero? The lowly defenseman Karl Hefeweizen, who put up a measly 2 points in the regular season. While you may not find him on the score sheet, that's how you know this wily young rookie is doing what's asked of him. The coaches entrusted him to anchor the bottom pairing, and Hefeweizen has done exactly that. He's put up a +8 and continues to block shots despite limited ice time, ensuring that the big guns can rest easy that their half of the ice is safe when they're on the bench. Hefeweizen took the league minimum to play with the Jets, reportedly to "afford them the best chance of bringing in the most talent." Without playing the big minutes he was leaned on to play in Detroit, this rookie is still making his mark on what might be a Challenge Cup championship team.

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TASK FOUR: Who is the favorite and who is the underdog of this series? Are they almost even, or is there a big skill difference between the two teams? Must be at least 150 words and include at least three statistics in support.

On paper, these two championship caliber teams are pretty evenly matched when you look at postseason performance. On the defensive side, they both boast a similar goals against average at 2.38 for the Winnipeg Jets and 2.40 for the Toronto North Stars. Winnipeg appears to have an advantage, however, when you look at firepower. Their 4.50 goals for per game dwarfs the North Stars' 3.20, which is a delta that the pundits simply can't ignore. The cause for this difference is pretty clear: Toronto has only been able to capitalize on a meager 14.29% of their powerplay chances, compared to the monster 34.48% for the Winnipeg Jets. The two teams share a pretty similar penalty kill percentage (in line with their GAA similarity), which means that it will be up to the North Stars to stay out of the box should they want to keep an edge in this series.

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TASK SIX: Create three questions, one for each of three different players in the Challenge Cup and tag them. Playing in the Challenge Cup? Feel free to answer questions for your task or ask three of your own.
<a href='index.php?showuser=1722' rel='nofollow' alt='profile link' class='user-tagged mgroup-13'>Nereus</a> - As the architect of the team this season, and a player who's gotten to see it in action all year, what decision are you most proud of that got you to this point?
<a href='index.php?showuser=2327' rel='nofollow' alt='profile link' class='user-tagged mgroup-69'>ztevans</a> - Regardless of how this series turns out, what are your thoughts on the Winnipeg Jets next season?
<a href='index.php?showuser=184' rel='nofollow' alt='profile link' class='user-tagged mgroup-8'>Chris-McZehrl</a> - Given your recent arrival at this team, who jumps out to you as a key personality that might keep you around?

Gooney · 11-20-2017, 08:54 PM

TASK ONE: Pick either of the teams currently in the finals. Which game of theirs in the playoffs was the most important/crucial in them getting to this point this season? Must be at least 150 words and include either two statistics or some (reasonable) justification of narrative justifying your choice.
The Winnipeg Jets made it out of the first round easily. Sweeping the Texas Renegades. They found themselves in a hard fought battle in the second round against the Seattle Riot. The series would eventually end up being tied 3-3. Which led to a game 7 in seattle. I belive this game was the most crucial game for the Jets this season. Mid way through the 2nd period. The Seattle Riot were able to score 2 goals quickly back to back. This gave the Riot a 3-2 lead. Late in the 2nd, the Jets were able to work some magic. The Visser, Bearss, McZ line was able to score 2 goals in 1 minute. With Bearss burrying both of them. Then just 22 seconds after that. Zach Evans was able to score his 6th goal in these playoffs. In the final 2 minutes of the second, the Jets scored 3 goals. Giving them a 5-3 lead that they were able to put away. This game was huge for the Jets. Giving them a date in the Challenge Cup Finals.

TASK TWO: Who is your choice for the unsung hero of the S37 playoffs up to this point? Must be at least 150 words and include at least two statistics in support.
My unsung hero of the S37 playoffs would have to be Winnipeg Jets defenseman Alek Koivu. Koivu is not the first player you think of when you are talking about the Jets. But he had a really solid playoffs run for his team. Koivu plays on the 3rd pairing for the Jets. He was only playing ablout 14 minutes per game but he was able to put up some solid numbers. Through his 18 playof games he scored 2 goals and 9 assists. Good enough for 11 points. Finished as the 4th highest +/- on his team. He was a + 16. If you compaer his playoff numbers to his regular season numbers, he had a huge jump in production. In his 50 regular season games he had 2 goals and 19 points and finished the regular seson as a +10. So he stepped up huge in the playoffs and that is why hes my unsung hero.

TASK THREE: Create a graphic highlighting the starting lineup of one of the teams playing in the finals. Graphic must include names and positions for six players, as well as the team logo.
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TASK FOUR: Who is the favorite and who is the underdog of this series? Are they almost even, or is there a big skill difference between the two teams? Must be at least 150 words and include at least three statistics in support.
I am writing this after the series has already finished but I always thought that the Jets were the favourites. I predicted them to win the challenge cup. It ended up being a real close series in the end, much closer than I thought it was going to be. With the Jets taking home the challenge cup in game 7. The Jets two lines that they run are extremely strong. Most of the players are over 1300 tpe. And those two lines just put up some ridiculous numbers. I thought they would overpower the North Stars defense to give them the win in the series. They also have a really strong defense with Weber and Manius leading them. Toronto has a really solid team too. The Jets scored a lot more goales per game than Toronto. They also have a way better power play. 23.08% to 13.04%. I think thats what gave the Jets the edge in this series.

Alex Mack · 11-20-2017, 09:51 PM

TASK FIVE: <a href='index.php?showuser=1478' rel='nofollow' alt='profile link' class='user-tagged mgroup-3'>Bonk</a>

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TASK SIX

<a href='index.php?showuser=1478' rel='nofollow' alt='profile link' class='user-tagged mgroup-3'>Bonk</a> - If you're lucky enough to win your 2nd cup, how do you think Slappy McDoodle will handle it, will it effect your relationship?

@Chris-McZehrl - If Winnipeg wins the cup, how much credit will you be taking? 80%?

<a href='index.php?showuser=2264' rel='nofollow' alt='profile link' class='user-tagged mgroup-10'>ToeDragon84</a> - How many women do you sleep with after a win? More or less than 7?

TASK SEVEN:

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TASK EIGHT:

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Cynthia · 11-20-2017, 10:18 PM

Quote:Originally posted by bluesfan55@Nov 17 2017, 05:50 AM

<a href='index.php?showuser=1833' rel='nofollow' alt='profile link' class='user-tagged mgroup-3'>Cynthia</a> How happy would you be if Taylor went out with a Challenge Cup?

I would obviously be very happy that Taylor gets to leave as a winner but right now we're still playing, WIN has been a tough team and we can't get cocky here.

Thanks to Enigmatic and Crutch for the beautiful signatures

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