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ArGarBarGar · 09-12-2018, 03:52 PM

As someone benefitting from the current system, I am fine with plugging the hole.

Add another tier (15 seasons of regression=25-30% maybe?) and you can't have a productive player indefinitely. You can certainly keep playing afterwards, but you are unlikely to be a decent player indefinitely.

Alonzo Garbanzo Final Tallies (Among Defensemen):
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King · 09-12-2018, 05:24 PM

For those who don't think it's a big issue check the math yourself.

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King · 09-12-2018, 05:30 PM

Woops, posted wrong image file. Correct now.

raymond3000 · 09-12-2018, 06:09 PM

Maybe we can simplify regression altogether and just make the regression percentage equal to the number of seasons played?

***DrunkenTeddy*** · 09-12-2018, 06:17 PM

09-12-2018, 06:09 PMraymond3000 Wrote: Maybe we can simplify regression altogether and just make the regression percentage equal to the number of seasons played?

Wow.. I said this half an hour ago to King in discord. Only issue is it makes Eggy's life a bit harder when he has to write the regression post. I like the idea of it, but if we are really just trying to tackle the outliers who drag on their career, just making regression go to 30% after season 25 would do it.

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***Hallsy*** · 09-12-2018, 06:21 PM

09-12-2018, 06:09 PMraymond3000 Wrote: Maybe we can simplify regression altogether and just make the regression percentage equal to the number of seasons played?

This makes too much sense.

ToeDragon84 · 09-12-2018, 06:35 PM

09-12-2018, 05:24 PMKing Wrote: For those who don't think it's a big issue check the math yourself.

will only make it look worse, but this would be starting regression 1 season early.

DeletedAtUserRequest · 09-12-2018, 06:37 PM

09-12-2018, 03:52 PMArGarBarGar Wrote: As someone benefitting from the current system, I am fine with plugging the hole.

Add another tier (15 seasons of regression=25-30% maybe?) and you can't have a productive player indefinitely. You can certainly keep playing afterwards, but you are unlikely to be a decent player indefinitely.

your numbers are far ahead in terms of defenseman.. a stricter regression system completley benifits your legacy as it would bury any chance for a special player to stay as long as you under the same conditions.

History wont be so kind to those that were directly involved in a rule to push Christian Errikson and Esa Arikkanen into retirement.. and im sure the gods of fantasy will most definitley look down upon this .... but If a change in the regression curve did ever happen... we better change the ERA of the site and start adding asteriks to peoples names (pre and post this change) cause the old stats are dead to anyone moving forward..

Currently:
Alonzo Garbanzo the greatest defender in league history.

New:
Alonzo Garbanzo the greatest defender of the 'Old Regression Era'

Would hate to see a debate on someones legacy like the above all done to stop the 1% of the league that this applies too.

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King · 09-12-2018, 06:48 PM

09-12-2018, 06:35 PMToeDragon84 Wrote:
09-12-2018, 05:24 PMKing Wrote: For those who don't think it's a big issue check the math yourself.

will only make it look worse, but this would be starting regression 1 season early.

Regression starts after your 11th season?

09-12-2018, 06:37 PMMike Izzy Wrote: your numbers are far ahead in terms of defenseman.. a stricter regression system completley benifits your legacy as it would bury any chance for a special player to stay as long as you under the same conditions.

History wont be so kind to those that were directly involved in a rule to push Christian Errikson and Esa Arikkanen into retirement.. and im sure the gods of fantasy will most definitley look down upon this .... but If we did change the regression curve we better change the ERA of the site and start adding asteriks to peoples names cause the old stats are dead to anyone moving forward..all done to stop the 1% of the league that this applies too.

If the stricter system benefits Alonzo's player, and makes his records untouchable, then it will do the same for Erikson and Esa's players. So I think from there perspective this rule would be great for Esa and Erikson, for the same reasons you said.

In terms of the "breaking records" argument, if you will.

1. If one is to make the argument the regression curve isn't worth changing since it only effects 1% of the league. You can also make the claim that the breaking records argument is kind of invalid since even less than 1% of the league will ever challenge for breaking a record.

2. This is something very prevalent in the NHL, and any sports league. Different era's have different standards. Scoring was higher in the 80's in the NHL lower in the 90's. You can't just use stats to compare era's in any league. HR have changed so much in baseball. Three points per game have sky rocketed in the NBA etc.. I think it would be pretty weird if the SHL was a league where you for some reason could compare states across eras with no consequence.

p.s. Not trying to be pugnacious or something, just want to keep throwing out different angles that we can all view this from collectively.

Waters · 09-12-2018, 06:49 PM

09-12-2018, 06:37 PMMike Izzy Wrote:
09-12-2018, 03:52 PMArGarBarGar Wrote: As someone benefitting from the current system, I am fine with plugging the hole.

Add another tier (15 seasons of regression=25-30% maybe?) and you can't have a productive player indefinitely. You can certainly keep playing afterwards, but you are unlikely to be a decent player indefinitely.

your numbers are far ahead in terms of defenseman.. a stricter regression system completley benifits your legacy as it would bury any chance for a special player to stay as long as you under the same conditions.

History wont be so kind to those that were directly involved in a rule to push Christian Errikson and Esa Arikkanen into retirement.. and im sure the gods of fantasy will most definitley look down upon this .... but If a change in the regression curve did ever happen... we better change the ERA of the site and start adding asteriks to peoples names (pre and post this change) cause the old stats are dead to anyone moving forward..

Currently:
Alonzo Garbanzo the greatest defender in league history.

New:
Alonzo Garbanzo the greatest defender of the 'Old Regression Era'

Would hate to see a debate on someones legacy like the above all done to stop the 1% of the league that this applies too.

you seriously think that someone should be able to play 34 seasons and still be able to end their season with nearly 1000 tpe? thats broken.

***Tomen*** · 09-12-2018, 06:50 PM

09-12-2018, 06:37 PMMike Izzy Wrote:
09-12-2018, 03:52 PMArGarBarGar Wrote: As someone benefitting from the current system, I am fine with plugging the hole.

Add another tier (15 seasons of regression=25-30% maybe?) and you can't have a productive player indefinitely. You can certainly keep playing afterwards, but you are unlikely to be a decent player indefinitely.

your numbers are far ahead in terms of defenseman.. a stricter regression system completley benifits your legacy as it would bury any chance for a special player to stay as long as you under the same conditions.

History wont be so kind to those that were directly involved in a rule to push Christian Errikson and Esa Arikkanen into retirement.. and im sure the gods of fantasy will most definitley look down upon this .... but If a change in the regression curve did ever happen... we better change the ERA of the site and start adding asteriks to peoples names (pre and post this change) cause the old stats are dead to anyone moving forward.. all done to stop the 1% of the league that this applies too.

Afaik there have been 3 changes to the Update Scale and 2 or even more changes to the Regression System + TPE inflation. Everyone would need an asterisk right now.

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DeletedAtUserRequest · 09-12-2018, 06:54 PM

09-12-2018, 06:49 PMWaters Wrote:
09-12-2018, 06:37 PMMike Izzy Wrote:
09-12-2018, 03:52 PMArGarBarGar Wrote: As someone benefitting from the current system, I am fine with plugging the hole.

Add another tier (15 seasons of regression=25-30% maybe?) and you can't have a productive player indefinitely. You can certainly keep playing afterwards, but you are unlikely to be a decent player indefinitely.

your numbers are far ahead in terms of defenseman.. a stricter regression system completley benifits your legacy as it would bury any chance for a special player to stay as long as you under the same conditions.

History wont be so kind to those that were directly involved in a rule to push Christian Errikson and Esa Arikkanen into retirement.. and im sure the gods of fantasy will most definitley look down upon this .... but If a change in the regression curve did ever happen... we better change the ERA of the site and start adding asteriks to peoples names (pre and post this change) cause the old stats are dead to anyone moving forward..

Currently:
Alonzo Garbanzo the greatest defender in league history.

New:
Alonzo Garbanzo the greatest defender of the 'Old Regression Era'

Would hate to see a debate on someones legacy like the above all done to stop the 1% of the league that this applies too.

you seriously think that someone should be able to play 34 seasons and still be able to end their season with nearly 1000 tpe? thats broken.

no ones ever played more then 25.... and the 2 that have will prob both be retired within a year or 2... theres probaby a handful of people that have ever stayed active for 25 straight seasons lol

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Samsung virtual assistant · 09-12-2018, 06:55 PM

Why is this any different to any of the other eras? Smh

Waters · 09-12-2018, 06:58 PM

09-12-2018, 06:54 PMMike Izzy Wrote:
09-12-2018, 06:49 PMWaters Wrote:
09-12-2018, 06:37 PMMike Izzy Wrote:
09-12-2018, 03:52 PMArGarBarGar Wrote: As someone benefitting from the current system, I am fine with plugging the hole.

Add another tier (15 seasons of regression=25-30% maybe?) and you can't have a productive player indefinitely. You can certainly keep playing afterwards, but you are unlikely to be a decent player indefinitely.

your numbers are far ahead in terms of defenseman.. a stricter regression system completley benifits your legacy as it would bury any chance for a special player to stay as long as you under the same conditions.

History wont be so kind to those that were directly involved in a rule to push Christian Errikson and Esa Arikkanen into retirement.. and im sure the gods of fantasy will most definitley look down upon this .... but If a change in the regression curve did ever happen... we better change the ERA of the site and start adding asteriks to peoples names (pre and post this change) cause the old stats are dead to anyone moving forward..

Currently:
Alonzo Garbanzo the greatest defender in league history.

New:
Alonzo Garbanzo the greatest defender of the 'Old Regression Era'

Would hate to see a debate on someones legacy like the above all done to stop the 1% of the league that this applies too.

you seriously think that someone should be able to play 34 seasons and still be able to end their season with nearly 1000 tpe? thats broken.

no ones ever played more then 25.... and the 2 that have will prob both be retired within a year or 2... theres probaby a handful of people that have ever stayed active for 25 straight seasons lol

the issue is that the possibility exists, and there is actual no tangible loss from plugging this up. If Garbanzo plays 25, this doesn't affect the credibility of his records, same for anyone who only plays 25. The fact that anyone could go past 25 is an issue that should be fixed

***Hallsy*** · 09-12-2018, 06:59 PM

09-12-2018, 06:50 PMTomen Wrote:
09-12-2018, 06:37 PMMike Izzy Wrote:
09-12-2018, 03:52 PMArGarBarGar Wrote: As someone benefitting from the current system, I am fine with plugging the hole.

Add another tier (15 seasons of regression=25-30% maybe?) and you can't have a productive player indefinitely. You can certainly keep playing afterwards, but you are unlikely to be a decent player indefinitely.

your numbers are far ahead in terms of defenseman.. a stricter regression system completley benifits your legacy as it would bury any chance for a special player to stay as long as you under the same conditions.

History wont be so kind to those that were directly involved in a rule to push Christian Errikson and Esa Arikkanen into retirement.. and im sure the gods of fantasy will most definitley look down upon this .... but If a change in the regression curve did ever happen... we better change the ERA of the site and start adding asteriks to peoples names (pre and post this change) cause the old stats are dead to anyone moving forward.. all done to stop the 1% of the league that this applies too.

Afaik there have been 3 changes to the Update Scale and 2 or even more changes to the Regression System + TPE inflation. Everyone would need an asterisk right now.

this lol.

Last updating scale hurt the league doe.

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