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kit · 12-03-2018, 11:25 AM

12-03-2018, 04:31 AMSearchBing Wrote:
12-03-2018, 03:03 AMkit Wrote: They won’t be good because they don’t do pts or championship week, likely can’t afford equipment. Taking away one of the only things they can do makes it not even worth it to be semi active

They can still do things, they just choose not to. a PT takes less than 10 minutes of wordpooping, if you cant even do that you deserve to be shit tbh.

It’s not that people can’t its that they won’t. And alienating the long time members who chose to make their player in a more casual way just so you can feel like you worked harder for your player or some dumb shit is an awful idea

ArGarBarGar · 12-03-2018, 12:07 PM

This isn't the VHL. This league should allow room for casuals to build a player that is at least somewhat competitive.

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Samsung virtual assistant · 12-03-2018, 12:14 PM

12-03-2018, 11:25 AMkit Wrote:
12-03-2018, 04:31 AMSearchBing Wrote: They can still do things, they just choose not to. a PT takes less than 10 minutes of wordpooping, if you cant even do that you deserve to be shit tbh.

It’s not that people can’t its that they won’t. And alienating the long time members who chose to make their player in a more casual way just so you can feel like you worked harder for your player or some dumb shit is an awful idea

They're not being alienated, they still get the TPE for the time they put in. This site is almost as much of a socialist state as Sweden.
It makes no sense that the task that requires the least bit of work to award the most, especially when it also rewards uncapped TPE for every right answer already. It would make more sense to up the ACs by 1 per week and remove the capped from predictions if we're doing it for the casuals. Or is it too much for them to log in once per week to do ACs too? IDK where we draw the line when we talk about what a casual is. Because now there is no reward for people who does every PT and lose out on capped TPE from things they do if they take the time to do everything available, in what way is that fair?

12-03-2018, 12:07 PMArGarBarGar Wrote: This isn't the VHL. This league should allow room for casuals to build a player that is at least somewhat competitive.

Isnt VHL the league where you can collect welfare just to make casuals more relevant? I haven't looked at any stats or anything, i got too discouraged from the stupid name so i left after a week, lol.

karey · 12-03-2018, 08:00 PM

12-02-2018, 01:00 PMNobody Wrote: No thanks. The cap is fine, it allows you to miss a week and not rely on having a great season for milestone pts without falling behind

I don't get this logic, if you miss a week you shouldn't receive the same amount of TPE for somebody who didn't miss a week. I don't get the idea of falling behind either, like falling behind others in our draft classes?
Between the luck of Predictions, PBP lottery, Fantasy, there are many differentials in play that separate players from one another in TPE, however, there aren't many differentials that are solely based on effort. PT's and buying Training/equipment are the only ways of rewarding activity and effort on this site and we shouldn't put a cap on PT. The PT cap marginally affects semi-active players, but directly affects those who are consistent and active.

TPE does not mean in game success, we know that, and the little TPE here and there that get sacrificed by those active members because they hit the cap early, are only affecting their ability for their player to stay high level longer. I don't like the idea of people having to not attribute the TPE that they have earned because they hit a cap.

Again, I have only thought about this for like a minute, I just don't see the benefit of capping PTs

karey · 12-03-2018, 08:09 PM

12-03-2018, 05:48 AMBaelor Swift Wrote: How many people actually hit the PT cap each season? Removing it is only going to make things more discouraging for those who aren't hyper active. I don't think we have any problem with the PT cap discouraging highly active members nor does it prevent highly active members from gaining separation from their peers in terms of earning TPE.

If a person is semi-active, then I would argue that catering to them and placing the cap to create player parity affects those who are quite active. It is almost like we are rewarding half-assed commitment to the player/league while taking away from those who put effort into building their player.

I think a semi-active can understand why others have a higher TPE than them if they are not completing all AC/PT/Training and hopefully it eggs them on to put more effort into their player. It is ok if we have some members drop off if we are then trading them for other members who are putting more effort. Usually people who put in solid effort into their player, stick with them throughout their career at some degree. It's not even like the TPE overage that gets surrendered is exceptionally high either, and I really feel players should be allowed to put in extra work to ensure that their player is the best they can be and should ALWAYS receive the TPE that they have worked for.

spooked · 12-03-2018, 08:40 PM

12-03-2018, 04:31 AMSearchBing Wrote:
12-03-2018, 03:03 AMkit Wrote: They won’t be good because they don’t do pts or championship week, likely can’t afford equipment. Taking away one of the only things they can do makes it not even worth it to be semi active

They can still do things, they just choose not to. a PT takes less than 10 minutes of wordpooping, if you cant even do that you deserve to be shit tbh.

I feel this comment is bannable HO. I'm offended.

spooked · 12-03-2018, 08:47 PM

Its fake internet points in a random number simulation. Cap lets people take a week off and still be fully committed. Removing the ability to take a week off from PTs without being punished is dumb. I don't see why you see it as a punishment when it is literally there to make the site more manageable. If you wanna remove one of the few life friendly things we got then idk what you thinking about.

Samsung virtual assistant · 12-03-2018, 08:54 PM

12-03-2018, 08:47 PMspooked Wrote: Its fake internet points in a random number simulation. Cap lets people take a week off and still be fully committed. Removing the ability to take a week off from PTs without being punished is dumb. I don't see why you see it as a punishment when it is literally there to make the site more manageable. If you wanna remove one of the few life friendly things we got then idk what you thinking about.

As it is now people who does everything and are the most committed are the ones being punished by not being able to fully reap the rewards of their hard work. That is dumb IMO.

karey · 12-03-2018, 09:01 PM

12-03-2018, 08:47 PMspooked Wrote: Its fake internet points in a random number simulation. Cap lets people take a week off and still be fully committed. Removing the ability to take a week off from PTs without being punished is dumb. I don't see why you see it as a punishment when it is literally there to make the site more manageable. If you wanna remove one of the few life friendly things we got then idk what you thinking about.

I don't see how taking a week off and not getting the PT is seen as a punishment. A punishment is doing the PT but not getting the TPE because others wanted a week off.

spooked · 12-04-2018, 01:57 PM

12-03-2018, 08:54 PMSearchBing Wrote:
12-03-2018, 08:47 PMspooked Wrote: Its fake internet points in a random number simulation. Cap lets people take a week off and still be fully committed. Removing the ability to take a week off from PTs without being punished is dumb. I don't see why you see it as a punishment when it is literally there to make the site more manageable. If you wanna remove one of the few life friendly things we got then idk what you thinking about.

As it is now people who does everything and are the most committed are the ones being punished by not being able to fully reap the rewards of their hard work. That is dumb IMO.

You're not being punished. You have gotten ALL TPE you can get. If you ever had to take a week off for school to focus on studying and missed something, you would be put behind by some TPE. The cap is literally there for YOUR benefit. Just cause you don't happen to have to take time off right now doesn't mean you never will. Removing it because "I AM BEING PUNISHED FOR NOT GETTING 3 TPE CAUSE I HAVE NOTHING TO DO BUT POST ON SHL" is shortsighted and is a bad move. You should be arguing about making equipment systems more user engaging, or creating more interesting ways to do TPE activities not using your energy to complain about 5 tpe being capped.

spooked · 12-04-2018, 01:59 PM

12-03-2018, 09:01 PMkarey Wrote:
12-03-2018, 08:47 PMspooked Wrote: Its fake internet points in a random number simulation. Cap lets people take a week off and still be fully committed. Removing the ability to take a week off from PTs without being punished is dumb. I don't see why you see it as a punishment when it is literally there to make the site more manageable. If you wanna remove one of the few life friendly things we got then idk what you thinking about.

I don't see how taking a week off and not getting the PT is seen as a punishment. A punishment is doing the PT but not getting the TPE because others wanted a week off.

If you know you're capped, don't do the PT. And one of the arguments FOR removing the cap is how easy they are, so why is that an issue?

ArGarBarGar · 12-04-2018, 02:40 PM

Why would an active player do all the PTs knowing there is a cap?

The whole idea is to not make the league feel like such a damn grind, and keep semi-actives from falling so far behind that their players are useless.

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Samsung virtual assistant · 12-04-2018, 07:49 PM

12-04-2018, 01:57 PMspooked Wrote:
12-03-2018, 08:54 PMSearchBing Wrote: As it is now people who does everything and are the most committed are the ones being punished by not being able to fully reap the rewards of their hard work. That is dumb IMO.

You're not being punished. You have gotten ALL TPE you can get. If you ever had to take a week off for school to focus on studying and missed something, you would be put behind by some TPE. The cap is literally there for YOUR benefit. Just cause you don't happen to have to take time off right now doesn't mean you never will. Removing it because "I AM BEING PUNISHED FOR NOT GETTING 3 TPE CAUSE I HAVE NOTHING TO DO BUT POST ON SHL" is shortsighted and is a bad move. You should be arguing about making equipment systems more user engaging, or creating more interesting ways to do TPE activities not using your energy to complain about 5 tpe being capped.

How is it the people who are actives and sit on the SHL all days fault that someone else has to take a week off? Im not saying we should remove the cap, im saying that the available TPE should be lowered so that only the people who does everything can be maxed out.

We can turn the tables around and say that its only 3 tpe youre missing out on if you miss a PT one week if you need to do everything available to hit the cap. why is it a bad move to argue that you should be rewarded for the work you do?

Samsung virtual assistant · 12-04-2018, 07:54 PM

12-04-2018, 02:40 PMArGarBarGar Wrote: Why would an active player do all the PTs knowing there is a cap?

The whole idea is to not make the league feel like such a damn grind, and keep semi-actives from falling so far behind that their players are useless.

Guess we have different views. And the discussion between us is moot. I feel people should be rewarded for the work that is available if they do it. If i take off work i dont get the salary. If i dont go to the gym i lose out on the gainz. If i go i don't.

spooked · 12-04-2018, 08:10 PM

12-04-2018, 07:49 PMSearchBing Wrote:
12-04-2018, 01:57 PMspooked Wrote: You're not being punished. You have gotten ALL TPE you can get. If you ever had to take a week off for school to focus on studying and missed something, you would be put behind by some TPE. The cap is literally there for YOUR benefit. Just cause you don't happen to have to take time off right now doesn't mean you never will. Removing it because "I AM BEING PUNISHED FOR NOT GETTING 3 TPE CAUSE I HAVE NOTHING TO DO BUT POST ON SHL" is shortsighted and is a bad move. You should be arguing about making equipment systems more user engaging, or creating more interesting ways to do TPE activities not using your energy to complain about 5 tpe being capped.

How is it the people who are actives and sit on the SHL all days fault that someone else has to take a week off? Im not saying we should remove the cap, im saying that the available TPE should be lowered so that only the people who does everything can be maxed out.

We can turn the tables around and say that its only 3 tpe youre missing out on if you miss a PT one week if you need to do everything available to hit the cap. why is it a bad move to argue that you should be rewarded for the work you do?

active is a very wide definition. And i get you're bored, but you can find something to do that doesn't involve pushing to make the site worse for everyone.

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