07-26-2019, 10:26 AM ArGarBarGar Wrote: 07-26-2019, 10:25 AM Whikadoodle Wrote: I love Argar, and I love that he does this, but I think the formula he uses to determine these puts WAY too much emphasis on prior years stats.
But my last player never made this list, so my opinion is bad and I should feel bad.
The last two seasons I haven't used an algorithm, it's all been voters.
so its a popularity contest? fun stuff
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07-26-2019, 03:33 PM TnlAstatine Wrote: 07-26-2019, 10:26 AM ArGarBarGar Wrote: The last two seasons I haven't used an algorithm, it's all been voters.
so its a popularity contest? fun stuff
I mean if you want to treat it like that then most things on this site are "popularity contests".
Alonzo Garbanzo Final Tallies (Among Defensemen):
2nd in Goals (208),
All-Time Assists Leader (765)*,
All-Time Points Leader (973), 3rd in Hits (2587),
All-Time Blocked Shots Leader (1882)*
*All-Time Leader Among All Skaters
Player Profile |
Update Thread
Alonzo Garbanzo (Retired) | D | Minnesota Chiefs
Age: 41
Height: 6'1"
Weight: 185 lbs
Number: 2
Player Type: TWD
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SMJHL Regular Season Statistics (S20)
MTL | GP: 40 | G: 8 | A: 21 | P: 29 | +/-: +13 | SB: 62
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SMJHL Playoff Statistics (S20)
MTL | GP: 6 | G: 0 | A: 2 | P: 2 | +/-: -2 | SB: 9
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SHL Regular Season Statistics (S21-S43)
MIN | GP: 1158 | G: 200 | A: 750 | P: 950 | +/-: Even | HIT: 2538 | SB: 1807
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SHL Playoff Statistics (S21-S41)
MIN | GP: 139 | G: 20 | A: 89 | P: 109 | +/-: -19 | HIT: 291 | SB: 234
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IIHF Statistics (S21-S38)
SWE | GP: 211 | G: 36 | A: 125 | P: 161 | +/-: +16 | HIT: 553 | SB: 325
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International Awards
IIHF Gold Medal (S28, S29)
IIHF Silver Medal (S21, S27, S35)
IIHF Bronze Medal (S22, S23)
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Transactions
S20 | Drafted 3rd Overall to the Montreal Impact
S21 | Drafted 2nd Overall to the Minnesota Chiefs
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Notable Events
S21 | Named Alternate Captain of the Minnesota Chiefs
S23 | Named Captain of the Minnesota Chiefs
S24 | 4th in Assists
S24 | 4th in Defensemen Points
S26 | 1st in Assists
S26 | 1st in Defensemen Points
S26 | 2nd in Penalty Minutes
S27 | 1st in Defensemen Points
S27 | T-1st in Defensemen Goals
S27 | 1st in Blocked Shots
S27 | 2nd in Game-Tying Goals
S29 | 4th in Assists
S29 | 5th in Defensemen Points
S30 | 4th in Assists
S30 | 4th in Defensemen Points
S30 | T-3rd in Defensemen Goals
S30 | 3rd in Blocked Shots
S31 | 2nd in Assists
S31 | 2nd in Defensemen Points
S31 | 4th in Blocked Shots
S32 | 2nd in Blocked Shots
S33 | 1st in Blocked Shots
S33 | 1st in Defenseman Points
S33 | 3rd in Defenseman Goals
S34 | 4th in Assists
S34 | 2nd in Blocked Shots
S34 | 4th in Defenseman Points
S35 | 2nd in Defenseman Points
S36 | 4th in Assists
S36 | 5th in Blocked Shots
S36 | T-1st in Defenseman Points
S36 | T-4th in Defensemen Goals
S37 | T-3rd in Assists
S37 | T-3rd in Defensemen Goals
S37 | 3rd in Defensemen Points
S40 | 1st in Defenseman Points
S40 | T-4th in Defensemen Goals
S40 | 1st in Plus/Minus
S41 | T-2nd in Power Play Goals
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SHL All-Star Selections
9x SHL 1st Team (S26, S27, S30, S31, S33, S35, S36, S37, S40)
2x SHL 2nd Team (S24, S34)
2x SHL 3rd Team (S29, S32)
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SHL Awards
5x Scott Stevens Trophy (S27, S31, S33, S37, S40)
1x Ron Mexico Trophy (S27)
Aidan Richan Trophy (S24)
1x Challenge Cup (S39)
5x Scott Stevens Nominee (S24, S26, S30, S35, S36)
1x Ron Mexico Nominee (S31)
3x Damian Littleton Nominee (S26, S31, S40)
1x Challenge Cup Finalist (S40)
Borromini Cannellini | C | Los Angeles Panthers
Age: 16
Height: 6'-4"
Weight: 210 lbs
Number: 17
Player Type: SNP
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SMJHL Regular Season Statistics (S45-S47)
VAN | GP: 150 | G: 51 | A: 69 | P: 120 | +/-: +37 | HIT: 153
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SMJHL Playoff Statistics (S45-S47)
VAN | GP: 27 | G: 11 | A: 10 | P: 21 | +/-: +5 | HIT: 24
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SHL Regular Season Statistics (S48-)
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SHL Playoff Statistics (--)
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IIHF Statistics (--)
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International Awards
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Transactions
S45 | Drafted 7th Overall to the Vancouver Whalers
S46 | Drafted 10th Overall to the Los Angeles Panthers
07-26-2019, 04:07 PM ArGarBarGar Wrote: 07-26-2019, 03:33 PM TnlAstatine Wrote: so its a popularity contest? fun stuff
I mean if you want to treat it like that then most things on this site are "popularity contests".
shouldn't the "top" 100 players be arbitrary and not a popularity contest?
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S20, S21, S51, S53 Challenge Cup Champion
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Akashi SixNine Jr. Updates
Akashi SixNine Jr. | TPE: 473 | Detroit Falcons | Hamilton Steelhawks
---------------------------- SIGNINGS/DRAFT ----------------------------
(S61) Drafted 61st Overall by the Detroit Falcons
(S61) Signed a 1-year, $2.5mm contract with the Detroit Falcons
(S62) Drafted 44th Overall by the Hamilton Steelhawks
(S62) Signed a 1-year, $2.5mm contract with the Hamilton Steelhawks
(S63) Signed a 1-year, $2.5mm contract with the Hamilton Steelhawks
---------------------------- SMJHL REGULAR SEASON STATS ----------------------------
S61 | DET | GP: 66 | G: 16 | A: 24 | PTS: 40 | +/-: -24 | Hits: 95 | SB: 32
S62 | DET | GP: 66 | G: 21 | A: 16 | PTS: 37 | +/-: -54 | Hits: 141 | SB: 47
---------------------------- SMJHL PLAYOFF STATS ----------------------------
S61 | DET | GP: 6 | G: 2 | A: 4 | PTS: 6 | +/-: E | Hits: 17 | SB: 4
S62 | DID NOT QUALIFY
07-26-2019, 04:09 PM TnlAstatine Wrote: 07-26-2019, 04:07 PM ArGarBarGar Wrote: I mean if you want to treat it like that then most things on this site are "popularity contests".
shouldn't the "top" 100 players be arbitrary and not a popularity contest?
1. I am not sure you are using arbitrary correctly (based on random choice or personal whim, rather than any reason or system according to webster).
2. Having a group of people voting on ratings for each individual player does not in and of itself constitute a popularity contest. It can be if the voters have biases towards players they recognize or like, but I don't believe that has ever really been the case from my history doing this (since S23).
Alonzo Garbanzo Final Tallies (Among Defensemen):
2nd in Goals (208),
All-Time Assists Leader (765)*,
All-Time Points Leader (973), 3rd in Hits (2587),
All-Time Blocked Shots Leader (1882)*
*All-Time Leader Among All Skaters
Player Profile |
Update Thread
Alonzo Garbanzo (Retired) | D | Minnesota Chiefs
Age: 41
Height: 6'1"
Weight: 185 lbs
Number: 2
Player Type: TWD
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SMJHL Regular Season Statistics (S20)
MTL | GP: 40 | G: 8 | A: 21 | P: 29 | +/-: +13 | SB: 62
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SMJHL Playoff Statistics (S20)
MTL | GP: 6 | G: 0 | A: 2 | P: 2 | +/-: -2 | SB: 9
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SHL Regular Season Statistics (S21-S43)
MIN | GP: 1158 | G: 200 | A: 750 | P: 950 | +/-: Even | HIT: 2538 | SB: 1807
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SHL Playoff Statistics (S21-S41)
MIN | GP: 139 | G: 20 | A: 89 | P: 109 | +/-: -19 | HIT: 291 | SB: 234
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IIHF Statistics (S21-S38)
SWE | GP: 211 | G: 36 | A: 125 | P: 161 | +/-: +16 | HIT: 553 | SB: 325
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International Awards
IIHF Gold Medal (S28, S29)
IIHF Silver Medal (S21, S27, S35)
IIHF Bronze Medal (S22, S23)
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Transactions
S20 | Drafted 3rd Overall to the Montreal Impact
S21 | Drafted 2nd Overall to the Minnesota Chiefs
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Notable Events
S21 | Named Alternate Captain of the Minnesota Chiefs
S23 | Named Captain of the Minnesota Chiefs
S24 | 4th in Assists
S24 | 4th in Defensemen Points
S26 | 1st in Assists
S26 | 1st in Defensemen Points
S26 | 2nd in Penalty Minutes
S27 | 1st in Defensemen Points
S27 | T-1st in Defensemen Goals
S27 | 1st in Blocked Shots
S27 | 2nd in Game-Tying Goals
S29 | 4th in Assists
S29 | 5th in Defensemen Points
S30 | 4th in Assists
S30 | 4th in Defensemen Points
S30 | T-3rd in Defensemen Goals
S30 | 3rd in Blocked Shots
S31 | 2nd in Assists
S31 | 2nd in Defensemen Points
S31 | 4th in Blocked Shots
S32 | 2nd in Blocked Shots
S33 | 1st in Blocked Shots
S33 | 1st in Defenseman Points
S33 | 3rd in Defenseman Goals
S34 | 4th in Assists
S34 | 2nd in Blocked Shots
S34 | 4th in Defenseman Points
S35 | 2nd in Defenseman Points
S36 | 4th in Assists
S36 | 5th in Blocked Shots
S36 | T-1st in Defenseman Points
S36 | T-4th in Defensemen Goals
S37 | T-3rd in Assists
S37 | T-3rd in Defensemen Goals
S37 | 3rd in Defensemen Points
S40 | 1st in Defenseman Points
S40 | T-4th in Defensemen Goals
S40 | 1st in Plus/Minus
S41 | T-2nd in Power Play Goals
-------------------------------
SHL All-Star Selections
9x SHL 1st Team (S26, S27, S30, S31, S33, S35, S36, S37, S40)
2x SHL 2nd Team (S24, S34)
2x SHL 3rd Team (S29, S32)
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SHL Awards
5x Scott Stevens Trophy (S27, S31, S33, S37, S40)
1x Ron Mexico Trophy (S27)
Aidan Richan Trophy (S24)
1x Challenge Cup (S39)
5x Scott Stevens Nominee (S24, S26, S30, S35, S36)
1x Ron Mexico Nominee (S31)
3x Damian Littleton Nominee (S26, S31, S40)
1x Challenge Cup Finalist (S40)
Borromini Cannellini | C | Los Angeles Panthers
Age: 16
Height: 6'-4"
Weight: 210 lbs
Number: 17
Player Type: SNP
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SMJHL Regular Season Statistics (S45-S47)
VAN | GP: 150 | G: 51 | A: 69 | P: 120 | +/-: +37 | HIT: 153
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SMJHL Playoff Statistics (S45-S47)
VAN | GP: 27 | G: 11 | A: 10 | P: 21 | +/-: +5 | HIT: 24
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SHL Regular Season Statistics (S48-)
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SHL Playoff Statistics (--)
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IIHF Statistics (--)
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International Awards
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Transactions
S45 | Drafted 7th Overall to the Vancouver Whalers
S46 | Drafted 10th Overall to the Los Angeles Panthers
07-26-2019, 04:15 PM ArGarBarGar Wrote: 07-26-2019, 04:09 PM TnlAstatine Wrote: shouldn't the "top" 100 players be arbitrary and not a popularity contest?
1. I am not sure you are using arbitrary correctly (based on random choice or personal whim, rather than any reason or system according to webster).
2. Having a group of people voting on ratings for each individual player does not in and of itself constitute a popularity contest. It can be if the voters have biases towards players they recognize or like, but I don't believe that has ever really been the case from my history doing this (since S23).
1.oh ya woops that's my sick brain talking
2. fair enough
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07-26-2019, 04:15 PM ArGarBarGar Wrote: 07-26-2019, 04:09 PM TnlAstatine Wrote: shouldn't the "top" 100 players be arbitrary and not a popularity contest?
1. I am not sure you are using arbitrary correctly (based on random choice or personal whim, rather than any reason or system according to webster).
2. Having a group of people voting on ratings for each individual player does not in and of itself constitute a popularity contest. It can be if the voters have biases towards players they recognize or like, but I don't believe that has ever really been the case from my history doing this (since S23).
We all certainly have biases, but I think the group we have now is all capable and willing to recognize their biases and work to mitigate the impact as much as possible. We're all human, it can be hard to work with your biases and avoid over-correcting as well, so I think it's just critical for people to continue pointing out our errors as we develop our system. I know that I tried to refine my evaluations using info I got from my first time last offseason, and the comments in this thread will be in mind when I take on this task next offseason.
Jimmy Larkin-Conway | LW | Seattle Argonauts
=============Transactions==============
- Drafted 19th overall by Nevada (S59)
- Drafted 27th overall by Baltimore (S60)
- Traded to Winnipeg Aurora (S63)
- Traded to Toronto North Stars (S64)
- Re-signed with Toronto North Stars (S65)
- Re-signed with Toronto North Stars (S68,etc.)
- Signed with Seattle Argonauts (S76)
================Trophies================
- Aidan Richan Award (S65)
Kit Kirkstone | G | Retired
Charlie Schieck | D | Retired
Jeff Kirkstone | G | Retired | Former GM