Alright, discussion time.
The views expressed here are entirely my own, formulated by my personal experience from my time in the SHL.
A few weeks ago, there was a quite in depth discussion about one of the league's most overlooked problems; The Goalie Logjam. I'm going to try and explore a branch of the afore mentioned problem facing our league, by exploring a completely different one. The lack of Backup Goalie games.
6 games per season out of 50 is the bare minimum. Meaning that teams can get away with having someone playing once every 8 games. That's once every 3 or 4 sims, which if you ask me (and pardon my French), is a bloody disgrace. From a player retention perspective, it's like shooting oneself in the foot. People will be fed up if they are forced behind a starter who plays 44 games a season. And believe me it happens.
Now, what I'm proposing isn't a complete overhaul of the SHL, don't worry. I'm proposing between 8 and 10 games minimum for backups across the leagues. It will encourage teams to invest in more active backups instead of sub 400 TPE IAs, and it will also keep the afore mentioned active backups happy. Also hopefully, the team's starters won't throw a complete fit by having to play 4 games less.
Footnote:
I also remember someone coming up with the idea of backups having their own contract system. I'm not quite sure how that would work, however it would take time to implement. Despite the time and effort it may take to implement it, I would be in full support of the idea.
Constructive criticism/civil discussion is welcome of course
The vast majority of back up goaltenders are IFAs. Sure, not all of them, but this solution you're suggesting hinders teams more than helps them. I also know that if we want a chance at eclipsing historical goalie records on wins, reducing the max amount of games will makes that even more difficult.
in short I disagree but I am also a starting goalie. Lol!
10-10-2020, 07:53 PMAce Wrote: [ -> ]The vast majority of back up goaltenders are IFAs. Sure, not all of them, but this solution you're suggesting hinders teams more than helps them.
The new minimum of backup games, would invariably increase the number of active backups replacing the IFAs. In my view, this will be better for teams. They will have a constantly improving/earning backup playing 8 or 10 games, rather than a rubbish IFA playing 6, whilst ruining their record.
If back ups would get 8-10 starts in the shl then why not add those 2-4 more games to each teams schedule. Problem solved all around
As potentially a career inactive backup goalie ....I’m very interested in this timely examination of potential starts ....meh.maybe...
And should he’ll freeze over and I’m on a SHL roster....Yeeeeeaaaaaaaaaah riiiiiiiight.
The number of starts for an ACTIVE backup goalie should be a minimum of 10 . But, if you’re serious about keeping backups active a 70/30 split of games.
For INACTIVES 6-8 would seem to be a favorable number. Hey, theyre not here to complain....Alabama is on I’m gone.
Arguing from a realism stand point (which doesn't really have any bearing in a sim league necessarily), NHL starters are around 65-80% of the regular season depending on how dependable they or their backup are. In the SHL, they would equate to around 40 games in a 50 game season. What does that mean? Nothing honestly. Just was curious on my own end about that.
As for increasing the need for backups, I wonder about making goalie stamina extremely expensive to upgrade? If you want to be a true workhorse and invest a lot of TPE in that area then for those higher TPE folks, you've basically earned the right to play more games including being used on back to backs. However for those who can't or won't upgrade that particular stat in a meaningful way, it'll naturally require teams to make more active decisions about investing in a proper backup as each start becomes more important as both a starter and as a backup. Goalies in generals have already been pointed out to be relatively easier to max in their important attributes compared to skaters. I think there's some merit to the distinction of stamina and number of games played being a user/player based decision rather than enforced by HO arbitrarily.
The concern for this suggestion is how it affects the juniors as the 350/425 caps might prove to be too prohibitive to want to spend a lot of TPE in stamina. I don't entirely see this as a bad thing because encouraging more of a tandem style in the J might be the way. Right now the ideal setup for most teams in general is the capped starter who gets the lion's share of starts and a rookie who will be ready to step in a couple seasons. It's not ideal as any suggestion that sees backups getting more starts will mean that starters will see less play time. For players who have spent a couple seasons as being a backup in the J and to become the "starter" without seeing a significant increase in the number of games played because stamina is too difficult to invest in does suck. My argument against that would be the fact that they're likely the de facto choice in playoff runs where tandems no longer matter.
Without being somebody who is aiming to be a starting goalie, it's easy for me to say it's a sacrifice that could be made for the sake of improving the importance of the backup and creating a natural tandem system.
So. I think this is a good idea. The main issue is that goalie players already play less games than skaters. This will increase that.
I would love to see tandems used more in the league, especially considering double headers, I think the increased cost of stamina is a good idea to achieve this.
But I don't think this would be universally popular, nor easy given the current cap crunch.
10-11-2020, 02:16 AMTomasnz Wrote: [ -> ]So. I think this is a good idea. The main issue is that goalie players already play less games than skaters. This will increase that.
I would love to see tandems used more in the league, especially considering double headers, I think the increased cost of stamina is a good idea to achieve this.
But I don't think this would be universally popular, nor easy given the current cap crunch.
Due to the heat system tandems aren’t the best option in FHM. Imo we need to add more games to the season anyway.
10-11-2020, 03:30 AMDuff101 Wrote: [ -> ] 10-11-2020, 02:16 AMTomasnz Wrote: [ -> ]So. I think this is a good idea. The main issue is that goalie players already play less games than skaters. This will increase that.
I would love to see tandems used more in the league, especially considering double headers, I think the increased cost of stamina is a good idea to achieve this.
But I don't think this would be universally popular, nor easy given the current cap crunch.
Due to the heat system tandems aren’t the best option in FHM. Imo we need to add more games to the season anyway.
this is incorrect, rotating in a back to back does increase your winning percentage in the second game. Using a tandem system with AI goalie swaps typically results in 2-3 excess wins a season over having one starter for 50 games
I miss having a quality tandem like I had with @
Lyezech back in Anaheim.
If only the goalies I draft would stop going IA, I’d happily give them like 10-15 games a season (based on the last two season b2b averages in schedules in Winnipeg)
Give us more games in the regular season and I'd agree with you. But with 50 games played per season I don't think it's worth it.
Nothing prevent a team to play their backup more if both are active
10-11-2020, 06:04 PMEvok Wrote: [ -> ]Nothing prevent a team to play their backup more if both are active
This right here.
If your GM won’t play you more, don’t sign the contract if playing more early on is what you prefer. As a rookie next season, I’m looking easily at a couple of seasons as backup. I’m fine with it and will be preparing as such. Sure it sucks ass that regression will be coming in quick once I become starter. It is the choice I made in not leaving my team and not pushing for more games. Vilde gives us the best chance to win I don’t want to change that.
Stop trying to fuck with backup goalies. Sincerely a career shl backup