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RE: S68 PT #1: Knuckle Sandwich - advenny4 - 11-27-2022
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Because I'm a goalkeeper, that type of game and battle is no longer on my shoulders, but at junior age himself has had to flick his fists because too much was fired negations towards our team. Yes, we lost, but at least we didn't let ourselves get on the head. If I'm asked now what would have to happen for me to be in fights like this, surely it would have to be a good cause, only a clean loss would be a reason for that. I think in adult hockey, ridiculing opponents like that is no longer so popular, but if there's a team that does that, I'd definitely be willing to flick my fists with the opposing team goalkeeper. A little teasing would certainly not be the reason, but a lot of humiliation would be. I'm a pretty good fighter because I've used to train in free fights and it's not that easy to fight with me at all.
RE: S68 PT #1: Knuckle Sandwich - Dangles13 - 11-27-2022
I enjoyed a good fight when I was a child but now that I'm an injury-prone adult, I like it less and less. I don't find it adds much to the game itself, especially when it's 2 players who play 3 minutes a night and couldn't pick the puck out of a lineup. There are some great fights featuring star players like Iginla and Lecavalier going toe to toe in the Stanly Cup finals or Evander Kane dropping Matt Cooke that stick out in my mind. I would rather see players take a number and get revenge later in the game with a big goal or a big hit. I enjoy it when a team gets a powerplay and the goal scorer skates by the bench or penalty box and stares down the other team like a boss. I also hate seeing the scrums and forced fights after a player lays a clean hit on a player; punish the player who was in a bad position and not the one who read the play correctly. You might see more fun hits if that garbage was cleaned up.
RE: S68 PT #1: Knuckle Sandwich - artermis - 11-27-2022
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I am entirely against fighting in hockey and never enjoyed it nor seen it as a good thing. As a spectator, I do not find a fight entertaining to watch, as a player I find the concept of willingly taking a penalty dumb especially when it essentially guarantees future penalties as more and more players on the teams let their emotions get the better of them, and functionally it does not do what it sets out to do. The vigilante justice angle that most people spout just doesn't happen and it makes the game even more heated so it actually encourages a similar hit (dirty or not) to occur. If a referee didn't call anything, grow up and live with the consequences like a normal human being, don't throw a temper tantrum to "send a message".
For the record, I am a goalie, and I get upset when my team is overprotective of me as I feel they're more likely to incur a penalty than accomplish any sort of goal. In my entire career thus far, I have yet to see one instance where I needed a teammate to do something about an opposing player. Also to further personalize this, I used to sit down on the ice in my crease against a post to protest whenever my team fought as I had a particularly bad team one year with regards to fights (U18, line brawls every other game, you know the drill).
RE: S68 PT #1: Knuckle Sandwich - blix900 - 11-27-2022
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RE: S68 PT #1: Knuckle Sandwich - Canadice - 11-27-2022
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I'm not really that fond of fights in hockey although I understand that there is a place for it in the game. The amount of energy, heart and effort that is constantly poured onto the ice by the players of both teams has a real risk of boiling over in either a bad hit or just a plain argument between two parties. A fight can steer that energy in one of two ways though, either it can be a spark that lights up the entire arena and the rest of the game are filled with even more, or take the lid off of the powder keg and dissolve the tension. However what I don't like is the way fighting takes people out of the games due to unnecessary injuries. Players should be in the game to play hockey, score goals, prevent the opposition from scoring, and not try to box another persons head.
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There was a point in my life when I thought fighting in hockey was lame and made the sport look violent when it wasn’t . People that don’t appreciate hockey use it as an excuse to diss the sport (besides the usual “I can’t see the puck”). But the more and more I’ve followed hockey in my life I think that fighting has a place, because of the NHL itself. The department of player safety is sadly a useless body of the NHL. A lot of harsh fouls go unnoticed and aren’t penalized even with all the video evidence not much is done. Players get hurt and aren’t protected by the NHL. So they have to protect themselves and the way to do that is by fighting. So because of this I think fighting still has a place in the sport until the NHL finally grows a pair and does something properly about player safety.
RE: S68 PT #1: Knuckle Sandwich - Faelax - 11-27-2022
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Fighting in hockey is a controversial topic, but I think it still has a place in the game. The repeated failures of the department of player safety are well known, so you can't count on them to properly punish players who get too far out of line on the ice. So teams need to take this into their own hands, which is where fighting comes into play. Most teams have one or two big guys who aren't afraid to drop the gloves and stand up for their teammates. One of the other reasons I think fighting still has a place in hockey is the entertainment aspect. Hockey is an entertainment business at the end of the day, and people do love watching fights. Talk to any casual hockey fan, and they will tell you how much they love seeing fights break out on the ice. One of the most popular new players in Arber Xhekaj on the Canadiens, and he has been fighting anyone and everyone, showing that fighting is still popular among the fans.
RE: S68 PT #1: Knuckle Sandwich - awils13 - 11-27-2022
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Aaron Wilson was never much of a fighter to begin with, and he's certainly not going to drop gloves as he is now 39 years old and is in his 20th season, 23rd if you count the smjhl. I believe my player did have a few fights early in his career, maybe like 3 or 4 in the first 10 seasons, and those fights were probably either very boring to watch or very lopsided as again Wilson doesn't really know how to fight as evident by 5 fighting attribute and 40 fighting attribute back in sths. Although I see no reason to fight and try to send a message in the situation described because you know what? Being down by only 5 goals in the 3rd period is pretty good for a young team that allows over 6 goals per game, coach probably would've told the team that they were doing pretty ok in that situation.
RE: S68 PT #1: Knuckle Sandwich - sulovilen - 11-27-2022
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For a long time I was indifferent, but these days I'm not a fan of fighting in hockey. Mainly because a lot of the times the fights feel just like an unnecessary delay to the actual game. It might be a fourth line tough guy trying to "spark the team" against the other team's fourth line tough guy, they exchange a couple punches and fall to the ice together. It's just a boring ritual we are all forced to watch and pretend to like it.
Or there's a clean hit, but because it's a big hit or because the receiver is a star player, the hitter is then forced to defend himself because one or multiple players attack him. Again, why do you have to fight for that? It's a clean hit. If it's not a clean hit, the referees will give the penalty.
The only type of fight I have at least some understanding for is when a) two guys are just genuinely pissed at each other because of something that happened in the game and they both agree to drop the gloves. At least it's fair and happens naturally. Or b) someone plays consistently in a dirty way, intentionally trying to injure other players, and the league fails to deliver appropriate consequences for that.
RE: S68 PT #1: Knuckle Sandwich - Acsolap - 11-27-2022
I do not see a way with the current state of the national hockey League that fighting will be entirely eliminated from the game. Already it has been watered down to the point that fights in hockey are largely not dangerous to player safety at all. You cannot just jump a player, the benches can not clear and you have to leave all your equipment on apart from your gloves. If anything it's more risky getting hit than it is to get in a fight. With out a genuine reformation of the department of player safety then I think that fights will always have a place for teams to blow off steam, settle scores or right perceived injustices. As well as this the high speed high contact nature of the sport means that teams need a way to deter plugs and goons from taking an overly physical approach with their star players or making dirty plays on their team in general.
RE: S68 PT #1: Knuckle Sandwich - Mutedfaith - 11-27-2022
American stand-up comedy legend Rodney Dangerfield once spoke the famous words: "I went to a fight the other night, and a hockey game broke out."
Luckily, those years are well behind us. Hickey is a technical sport, which requires a very diverse set of skills. Where most other team sports revolving around scoring goals are done by people walking or running, hockey is the one sport where players have to do what they do while skating.
Fighting is an unnecessary part of the game. It used to hold some merit in the old days, for player safety, but with the modern rulebook and all the video review (during and post game) there's really no need for selfpolicing. And given all the issues old NHL enforcers are facing with their health due to their former profession, fighting does more harm to (former) player safety than it ever did good.
The sport in itself has so much beauty, in great passes, goals and legal bodychecks, it doesnt need fighting for the entertainment value. And honestly, the people who claim they go to the arenas for the fights need to pack their shit up and go back to the 1980s or start to follow MMA instead.
RE: S68 PT #1: Knuckle Sandwich - raymond3000 - 11-27-2022
Fighting has a huge history in hockey. It can be argued that fighting is one of the sport's defining features, at least in years past. Fighting brings excitement to an arena and players like little else can, and can be a display of raw emotion and passion brough forth onto the ice. However, the game has moved passed this incessant violence. Fights are becoming ever more rare, and when they do occur, they are often staged bouts which are often lacking in emotion. Furthermore with increased understanding of how fighting, especially bare knuckle bouts, can cause lasting damage to the brain either in the form of concussions or the repetitive pounding which contributes to CTE, I do not see why fighting still has a place in the sport. Sure, the occasional bout can be exciting but even so, it is hard to cheer for when you know what the players are putting at risk.
RE: S68 PT #1: Knuckle Sandwich - mcgriddleluver - 11-27-2022
I think fighting still has a place in hockey today. It's a unique aspect of the sport especially since it's an ejection in most leagues other than the NHL. It can get a team fired up, settle bad blood from previous games and for some people, getting hit is a way of settling into the game or even the league. While there are risks for fighting such as hand injuries or concussions, most fights are pretty tame. We've come a long way from the old school style of fights where its just two guys beating the crap out of each other. Most fights I've seen recently are the two fighters grabbing each other and making half hearted attempts at actually landing punches. The players know now they can still inspire their teams without doing too much damage to themselves. I don't think fighting will disappear from the game for a while if at all.
RE: S68 PT #1: Knuckle Sandwich - Gwdjohnson - 11-27-2022
There are many aspects in which Ricky Koivu is up there for the person you'd least want on the ice to shake things up and have an impact. First of all, Koivu is allergic to shooting, so if you need a goal to spark a comeback, he is not that guy. Ricky has never fought in his life so he would likely get pummeled and make the team energy even worse. On top of that, his personal trainer, former player Gabriel Johnson, was famously KO'd in one punch by behemoth German Alexander Selich. That does not inspire confidence in Ricky ever developing his fighting skill much further than the horrific level it is at now. In a hypothetical scenario, if Philadelphia were getting smoked and wanted Ricky to fight someone, he would probably end up against someone like Angus McFife XVIII @micool132 who would gladly take the opportunity to pummel him and probably fool him with a deez nuts bait while they're on their way to the box. (168 words)
RE: S68 PT #1: Knuckle Sandwich - unconfident69 - 11-27-2022
my player connor o byrne has never gotten into an shl fight before. the only fight he has ever participated in was in his second season in the junior leagues with anaheim, where he was handed a firm loss. connor does not remember who he fought with or why, but he is embarrassed that he would lose a fight because he claims to be a not loser and currently he is a loser. connor however since transitioning to winger isnt really the kind of guy to get too physical any more since he isnt taking faceoffs and in recent years has kinda forgotten his 2 way center abilities and is focusing on the one way, so hes not pissing off opposing players with hits or dirty plays meaning he likely will not get into any altercations with opposing players, so its unlikely connor o byrne will get even with his one loss in the smjhl level.