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RE: S69 PT #3: Dive - Andy - 02-07-2023
I would 100% take a dive if I felt the stick graze my chin. While I am not one that is necessary for embellishing, you need to make something happen in the end of the game. A stick going near someone's face, should be something that is pretty easy to see and should not be missed by the referees regardless. So in that moment I try to do what I can to get a penalty called for my team. Having a man advantage is so huge for a team in a tie game. It also allows the more defensive players to catch a breather. Even if our team does not score on the power play, we would be able to be in better shape as the clock winds down and if we have to go into overtime. Because the stick was near my chin, I would not really worry about being called for embellishing as the stick was at my face anyway. I believe we would get the call and score on the man advantage
RE: S69 PT #3: Dive - CaptainCamel - 02-07-2023
Hockey Prompt
I actually like the rules the NHL has for embellishment for the most part. Players would absolutely dive and fake it way more than the do currently without the embellishment rule. I also like that the league has the option to fine them for such dives if it becomes a repeat thing. I will say however, I don't recall the last time I saw an embellishment call without the original penalty being called also. For something like a high stick, that makes sense. Even if the receiving player isn't hurt at all, a stick going up that high and clipping them is a high stick. However, when you look at tripping and diving, there are so many times where the player did not by any means get actually tripped by a player, the stick is just near their legs, but the tripping penalty will still be called. I would like to see them be a bit more strict on embellishment calls, but there is a fine line to it as well. Many times players may react dramatically because of surprise, not necessarily that they're in pain.
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RE: S69 PT #3: Dive - Evil_AllBran - 02-07-2023
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RE: S69 PT #3: Dive - karlssens - 02-07-2023
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Written Task: What do you think of embellishment calls and diving in the NHL? Do you think they're called too much? Not enough? Is it a necessary evil to make sure the referee actually sees that something happened? Even if it wasn't that bad? Do you think there are players with deserved reputations for diving? Maybe undeserved reputations? (150+ words)Thanks for the second prompt, not sure I could write 150+ words about my guy diving hahaha. Honestly I find it to be a non issue in the NHL. Yes there are a few embellishments and yes some of them are called, but the frequency of it compared to other major league sports like basketball and especially soccer is very low. So with that being I'd leave it to the referees discretion and as of right now I think they are doing a good job. Do some players seem to draw more penalties than others? Sure, but I don't think there are any serious offenders I can pin as a "diver" in the current NHL. I know Mike Ribeiro was pretty bad for that in his prime so I'm using that as a measuring stick. More often than not I think the player calling out the other player diving is just a bit butt hurt and frustrated. They also conveniently are on the losing end of a recent game against the so called "diver" which seems a bit convenient.
RE: S69 PT #3: Dive - NorwegianDemon - 02-08-2023
PLAYER PROMPT: I wouldn’t do hit, simply, because I think it’s too risky and would not want to deal with the backlash that would follow. First, I think a lot of embellish look quite obvious, which means even if I try it, there is a good chance that could end up being the only player getting a penalty, because I don’t believe in my abilities to fake a high stick. In this situation, I would be the one putting the other team in a really good position to win the game and it would piss off all my teammates if the other team wins a game, because of an embellishment penalty I took. Then, there is the fact that I knew I would have to deal with the backlash after the game. Some members of the media would ask me questions that I would definitely struggle to answer. Also, some of my teammates could be disappointed with me because of the reputation it will give to our team.
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RE: S69 PT #3: Dive - mystick - 02-08-2023
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I think it is important to have the rule in place, just to discourage it more than anything. I really don't believe that it is a problem in the NHL, and if you are found to be a diver then you never get the benefit of the doubt on actual penalties you draw, making diving and being a known embellisher not worth it at all. One thing I don't like is how much focus there is on players flinching their heads back when a stick comes close the their face. Have you ever had someone wave a stick near your face? it is just instinct to pull away, not some ploy to draw a penalty. I do understand players trying to get calls, that has always been the way in professional sports. You have to remember that hockey is a fast game, and two referees make mistakes a lot easier than if they had 5 slow-mo replays of every incident. If you ain't cheating you ain't trying, right? At least to a degree.
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RE: S69 PT #3: Dive - tomtommen - 02-08-2023
Written Task: Do you do it? Would your player embellish the high stick? Take the dive? Try to get a call where there isn't one? Keep in mind a powerplay could win you the game here! These are important points in a playoff race! Would you take the opportunity, or is your player too hard-nosed for that? Are you a stick to the rules kind of player, or a take any chance you can get to win kind of player? (150+ words)
If Tom Pedersen would dive? No. He would be too fired up to notice anything like a stick touching him. He would be fighting and only interested in the puck. That is a corner battle that shall not be lost. He would only be interested in getting the puck and scoring a goal. Or get the puck and pass it to someone better placed to score a goal. And then later on if someone complains he will tackle both the complainer and the stick guy at first chance. Nothing is more pathetic than a diver. And a complainer is not that far ahead in the line of shits. Tom Pedersen is all about hard work and honour. It is allowed to deal some beats to cheats. And to be honest. There are some teams that Tom Pedersen cannot play for as he will not get along with members of that team. Just because they don’t live up to Tom Pedersens standards.That being said. There are also many players in the SHL Tom Perdersen cherishes and would like to play with.
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RE: S69 PT #3: Dive - Wheels - 02-08-2023
Hockey Written Prompt:
Embellishment calls refer to instances where a player exaggerates a foul in order to draw a penalty on the opposing team. In the NHL, players can receive a minor penalty for embellishment, which is intended to discourage the practice. Diving is often related to embellishment and refers to instances where a player falls to the ice in an exaggerated manner in order to draw a penalty.
Both embellishment and diving have been controversial issues in the NHL and have led to debates about how to effectively address the problem. Some argue that the NHL should be more strict in its enforcement of embellishment penalties, while others believe that the issue is more complicated and that other solutions, such as education and cultural change, are necessary.
Regardless of the approach taken, it is clear that embellishment and diving can detract from the quality of the game and undermine the integrity of the competition. As such, finding ways to effectively address these issues remains an important challenge for the NHL.
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RE: S69 PT #3: Dive - thiefofcheese - 02-08-2023
I would 1,000% sell that penalty. Regardless of the game, you want to take any advantage that is available to you to help the team. If the scenario is as laid out, then there are real results on the line and I would put on my best acting skills to make sure everyone in the arena saw that egregious high stick and get the power play time. Those 5-on-4 scenarios are huge for a team and can really turn the tide to allow us to get a goal in. Even if we can not convert on that power play, there are benefits in making the defense tired and putting pucks at the net. It really comes down to being an numbers game and the more opportunities we get at goals the better off we will be. Now that being said, FHM is notorious for FHM'ing us and we can still lose a game when we are up by 40+ shots, but I will take that chance any time it is offered.
RE: S69 PT #3: Dive - steveoiscool - 02-08-2023
Sven has been training for this moment his entire life. All those acting classes his parents put him through as a child were finally paying off. As the grazes his chain, Sven falls to the ice like a sack of potatoes. He lays there motionless for what seems like an eternity (it was 5 seconds). The referee's arm goes up, and Sven's team is headed to the power play. The opposition skater is escorted to the penalty box despite all of his protests as Sven smiles wickedly. All's fair in love and hockey, after all. The Rage cash in on their power play, of course, and go on to win the game. Afterwards, slow motion gifs of the "penalty" are uploaded to the hockey subreddit and people begin to call Sven a diver. His response? "I'm the best Sven at everything, and that even includes acting." Acting class registrations have hit all time highs since then.
RE: S69 PT #3: Dive - leafsftw1967 - 02-08-2023
HOCKEY PROMPT Written Task: Embellishment calls and diving are controversial topics in the NHL and have been a point of discussion for many years. The league has tried to address the issue by penalizing players who excessively exaggerate contact in an effort to draw penalties. However, the subjective nature of these calls has made it difficult for referees to make consistent and accurate decisions, leading to criticism from players, fans, and analysts. On one hand, embellishment can create an unfair advantage for the diving team and take away from the integrity of the game. On the other hand, players who are constantly getting hit and not receiving the appropriate calls may resort to embellishment as a last resort to get the attention of the referees. Regarding players with reputations for diving, it is a well-known fact that some players have earned the reputation of being divers, and this label can be difficult to shake. Similarly, players who are unfairly labeled as divers can struggle to change that perception, even if they have cleaned up their game. In conclusion, embellishment calls and diving are complex issues in the NHL and there is no easy solution. The league must strike a balance between penalizing embellishment and allowing players to properly sell calls that were missed by the referees. The NHL should also consider implementing additional measures such as video review to help referees make more accurate calls and reduce the impact of embellishment on the game.
RE: S69 PT #3: Dive - Vulfzilla - 02-08-2023
isfl affiliate overkill
RE: S69 PT #3: Dive - FaraDian - 02-08-2023
Hockey Prompt
Embellishment is a necessary rule in the NHL and I think it has cut down on diving. It's as much of a judgement call as other infractions, so I don't think it's crossing a line of asking referees to interpret too much. I agree with others that it's incredibly stupid to pair and embellishment call with an infraction. Sure there are situations where Player A does something illegal and Player B makes a meal of it to get the ref's intention, but I don't see why Player B should get punished for that. Maybe it's all just semantics and we'd be better off calling the rule Simulation instead of Embellishment: the problem isn't making the foul look worse, it's pretending there was a foul when there wasn't one. We aren't policing players using fake blood to get 4 minutes instead of 2 on the board (although, having worked with wrestlers and actors, a bit of fake blood in the mouth isn't all that hard).
I want to make a special call out for the embellishment that I never see called and I'm so utterly tired of watching: grabbing someone's stick with the hand or clenching it under the arm to draw a hooking penalty. I get that refs are usually on the backside and make the call from that angle, but this is so unbelievably obvious on any reverse-angle replay that I would actually be okay with video review on this. (Minor player prompt: if someone is gripping Marton's stick to draw hooking, he's gonna let go of and then open hand crosscheck their ass. Get down!)
RE: S69 PT #3: Dive - Ragnar - 02-08-2023
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RE: S69 PT #3: Dive - vic03 - 02-08-2023
I honestly don’t think that embellishment is that bad of a tactic that you can use in sports. I’ve learned playing soccer growing up, that if you play through a foul it won’t be called most of the time, and again most of the time it leaves you in a worse place than you would be if you embellished a little bit. I think it’s the same for the NHL. Players could play through a lot of the penalties but it wouldnt give their team the advantage. In fact with the player prompt its mentioned the stick did in fact hit you, which even as small of contact, is high sticking. I think its perfectly fine to embellish a little bit. The issue comes when there was penalty at all and you try to draw one. Diving like that isn’t okay and should definitely be a 2 minute minor. The major difference for me is that its ok to embellish a little bit if you were actually fouled, but trying to get something out of nothing isnt okay.