05-08-2021, 05:38 PMFuzzSHL Wrote:

05-08-2021, 05:16 PMraymond3000 Wrote: Directly using giveaway/takeaway ratios to compare players on Buffalo and Tampa is ridiculous. There isn't a single forward on any of the Great Lakes teams with a positive GA/TA ratio. Buffalo has the puck 2/3rds of the time when Luffy's on the ice while the Tampa players only have the puck half the time, so of course Fitted and Fiddler would have more takeaways and less giveaways. It would be more accurate to adjust those numbers for possession, but that still ignores factors such as centres generally having more takeaways.

I also have my doubts about using relative corsi to determine whether Luffy is making his team better or not, especially when he's only at -1%. That difference could easily be explained by the quality of competition he faces from playing on the top line. And once again, you can't directly compare relative corsis between teams since Buffalo's roster is so much stronger than Tampa's. If you put Luffy on Tampa, there's no doubt in my mind that he would be posting a positive relative corsi.

That being said, I haven't been following this season closely enough to say if Luffy was snubbed or not. And it's definitely nice to seem all the teams represented in the all-star game, and while some of the players definitely aren't among the actual best players in the league, it's probably better for the SHL as a whole to generate more interest for what's ultimately a fun but not all that meaningful midseason event.

I do understand where you’re coming from with the points you’re making. My main issue though is that out of nowhere I got bombarded in DMs saying that it was this whole big committee conspiracy to specifically fuck Luffy out of a spot on the All Star Roster. Is my ideology perfect? No. That’s why there’s a committee to vote on it. My take above isn’t directly what the committee used to make their voting decisions. Hell, I haven’t been able to make the rounds with the committee yet to talk about how we should look at changing voting strategies from “let’s take the top point scorers” to something different yet, so even if I wanted to make the committee vote a certain way (which I don’t), I haven’t had that ability yet.

But, for future reference, accusing me of being so low as to take personal feelings into account to make sure your player is left off any roster or All-League team is not the way to go about voicing your frustrations. I got this position due in part by my history on this site of being objective in this sort of position, I’m not about to go fucking deserving people over just because I feel like it.

And to be clear...I had zero issue with Luffy before today, and I still don’t. Him and I have played Dota and Rocket League together before, he was the person I talked to the most from our draft class when we were in juniors. If I was going to take out a personal vendetta on anyone, it would not be him.

05-08-2021, 03:39 PMTnlAstatine Wrote:

05-08-2021, 03:38 PMtrella Wrote: Leave it to luffy to be the first to complain

Should have bet on it

its pretty glaring my dude

05-08-2021, 05:16 PMHallsy Wrote: I feel like they did a good job sending the best players and mixing 2+ players from every team in for the most part. I somehow get Luffy's frustration though but like at the end of the day this is something for the community and it's better than last year's all-star game.

05-08-2021, 07:24 PMJAJA SWEG DINGDONG Wrote: I just hope i dont have to share a pairing with stupid @Hallsy in the ASG

05-08-2021, 05:16 PMraymond3000 Wrote:

05-08-2021, 04:21 PMFuzzSHL Wrote: I said this in DMs, but I’m gonna say it here, too.

Monkey D Luffy not being on the All-Star Roster was not a personal decision. I did not submit a ballot for myself because I am out of town currently. Luffy received the same amount of votes as Mika Kandinsky, Bobby Lane, and Ryan Shephard. The All-Star Game is an experience that I am trying to ensure every team has a representative for. Yes, you can make the argument that Luffy is one of the stronger players in the league. But I’m not going to sit here and reward the Great Lakes and Texas for being absolutely loaded and leave most of the league off the All-Star Game.

I know you are going to bring up that both Fitted and Fiddler are in the game and you are not. They both have positive giveaway/takeaway ratios and make their team better when they are on the ice. Monkey D Luffy scores, yes. But he also has a very negative giveaway/takeaway ratio as well as not providing his team more offensive chances when he is on the ice compared to when he is off. For a guy who’s one job is offense, Monkey D Luffy does not provide Buffalo more offense when he is on the ice, which can be proven by the 7 other players with higher GF/60 and 5 with higher SF/60 than Luffy does on Buffalo alone.

But yes, you got snubbed, and it definitely was a committee conspiracy to snub you.

Directly using giveaway/takeaway ratios to compare players on Buffalo and Tampa is ridiculous. There isn't a single forward on any of the Great Lakes teams with a positive GA/TA ratio. Buffalo has the puck 2/3rds of the time when Luffy's on the ice while the Tampa players only have the puck half the time, so of course Fitted and Fiddler would have more takeaways and less giveaways. It would be more accurate to adjust those numbers for possession, but that still ignores factors such as centres generally having more takeaways.

I also have my doubts about using relative corsi to determine whether Luffy is making his team better or not, especially when he's only at -1%. That difference could easily be explained by the quality of competition he faces from playing on the top line. And once again, you can't directly compare relative corsis between teams since Buffalo's roster is so much stronger than Tampa's. If you put Luffy on Tampa, there's no doubt in my mind that he would be posting a positive relative corsi.

05-08-2021, 07:11 PMTnlAstatine Wrote:

05-08-2021, 05:16 PMHallsy Wrote: I feel like they did a good job sending the best players and mixing 2+ players from every team in for the most part. I somehow get Luffy's frustration though but like at the end of the day this is something for the community and it's better than last year's all-star game.

i agree its nice seeing a wide spread representation from the league and that's not my take on this.

its just frustrating, but w.e SHL will take any chance they get to snub buf or ham

05-08-2021, 07:39 PMluketd Wrote: lol just score points 4head(I say this having 2.3 SHT %)

05-08-2021, 07:11 PMTnlAstatine Wrote:

05-08-2021, 05:16 PMHallsy Wrote: I feel like they did a good job sending the best players and mixing 2+ players from every team in for the most part. I somehow get Luffy's frustration though but like at the end of the day this is something for the community and it's better than last year's all-star game.

i agree its nice seeing a wide spread representation from the league and that's not my take on this.

its just frustrating, but w.e SHL will take any chance they get to snub buf or ham

05-08-2021, 07:36 PMPremierBromanov Wrote:

05-08-2021, 07:11 PMTnlAstatine Wrote: i agree its nice seeing a wide spread representation from the league and that's not my take on this.

its just frustrating, but w.e SHL will take any chance they get to snub buf or ham

you can have my spot if you'll stop crying about it

05-08-2021, 07:58 PMMyLittleHexx Wrote:

05-08-2021, 07:11 PMTnlAstatine Wrote: i agree its nice seeing a wide spread representation from the league and that's not my take on this.

its just frustrating, but w.e SHL will take any chance they get to snub buf or ham

Jesus what type of captain bitches and moans about not making All-star team. At least congratulate the teammates that made it

05-08-2021, 07:40 PMJNH Wrote:

05-08-2021, 07:39 PMluketd Wrote: lol just score points 4head(I say this having 2.3 SHT %)

You been practicing with Juke?

05-08-2021, 08:09 PMTnlAstatine Wrote:

05-08-2021, 07:58 PMMyLittleHexx Wrote: Jesus what type of captain bitches and moans about not making All-star team. At least congratulate the teammates that made it

when it's clearly off base and unjust. whatever tho those all stars cudas probably won't even get ice time. it's like two john scotts voted in lol