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- ArGarBarGar - 12-20-2016
So I have finished calculating the legacy scores for all skaters who have won some sort of award.
Going to the goaltenders and I am currently unsure if the legacy chart that I am using will accurately show which goaltenders are better than others (at least to a point).
This is the current way I have each award and their impact on the overall score.
Reg. Ssn. Wins 1
Playoff Wins 1.5
1st All-Star 40
2nd All-Star 20
3rd All-Star 10
All-Rookie 10
Ron Mexico 150
Sarmad Khan 150
John McBride 100
Anton Razov 90
Challenge Cup 80
Mike Honcho 70
Ryan Jesster 60
Damian Littleton 40
With this score, I have Lauris Prikulis at 1572, Jakob Tanner at 1020, Jordin FourFour at 1175, Jakub Aittokallio at 1392, and John McBride at 1396.
Now I am not sure if I put Prikulis THAT far above everyone else, especially a guy like McBride who won 6 McBride trophies, but I am curious what others would think. Considering I am not a big goalie guy, I am unsure if I am putting the right weight into certain categories.
- Schultzy - 12-20-2016
I feel like the cup and playoff wins are being slightly undervalued. That's the ultimate prize and should be the measure of a great goaltender.
Playoff Wins 1.5 -> 2
Cup 80 -> 120
- ArGarBarGar - 12-20-2016
Quote:Originally posted by Schultzy@Dec 20 2016, 08:18 PMI can see bumping up playoff wins because they aren't going to tip the scales too heavily, but I am not sure about cups going up 40 per. Maybe bumping cups to 100?
I feel like the cup and playoff wins are being slightly undervalued. That's the ultimate prize and should be the measure of a great goaltender.
Playoff Wins 1.5 -> 2
Cup 80 -> 120
- Wally - 12-20-2016
Quote:Originally posted by Schultzy@Dec 20 2016, 06:18 PM
I feel like the cup and playoff wins are being slightly undervalued. That's the ultimate prize and should be the measure of a great goaltender.
Playoff Wins 1.5 -> 2
Cup 80 -> 120
100% agree with this... especially with the precedent on raising the cup weight.
- Schultzy - 12-20-2016
Quote:Originally posted by ArGarBarGar@Dec 20 2016, 07:26 PMShould be at least worth what the McBride is if not more imo.
I can see bumping up playoff wins because they aren't going to tip the scales too heavily, but I am not sure about cups going up 40 per. Maybe bumping cups to 100?
- TheLastOlympian07 - 12-20-2016
tanner sucks. im ok with this
- Possum Queen - 12-20-2016
Cup should be worth more so nobody figures out I'm shit kthx
- JumpierPegasus - 12-20-2016
Mike Honcho still the best peak of any SHL goaltender, hands down
- Tomen - 12-20-2016
I guess maybe adding some records to that would also help to distinguish the great from the good ones since the records have been recently updated.
- ArGarBarGar - 12-20-2016
Quote:Originally posted by Tomen@Dec 20 2016, 09:12 PMLike what records?
I guess maybe adding some records to that would also help to distinguish the great from the good ones since the records have been recently updated.
- Tomen - 12-20-2016
Quote:Originally posted by ArGarBarGar@Dec 21 2016, 02:26 AMSave Percentage and maybe Shutouts there also is technically GAA but I wouldn't count that one.
Like what records?
- Eggy216 - 12-20-2016
Quote:Originally posted by Tomen@Dec 20 2016, 09:31 PM
Save Percentage and maybe Shutouts there also is technically GAA but I wouldn't count that one.
Might those be too fluid to factor in? Does a goalie lose the points when he loses the record?
- Tomen - 12-20-2016
Quote:Originally posted by Eggy Nog@Dec 21 2016, 02:38 AM
Might those be too fluid to factor in? Does a goalie lose the points when he loses the record?
Might be the case but then again the records are separated by eras so only 5 goalies could lose points.
- ArGarBarGar - 12-20-2016
Quote:Originally posted by Tomen@Dec 20 2016, 09:31 PMThere isn't enough of a gap between most goaltenders to where save percentage would matter.
Save Percentage and maybe Shutouts there also is technically GAA but I wouldn't count that one.
I think I will bump playoff wins to 2 and Challenge Cup wins to 100 and call it a day.
- InciteHysteria - 12-20-2016
I think it's unfair to weight cups that highly. Some of the best players in sports have never reached the goal of taking the championship. Winning a cup is the ultimate team achievement.
I think playoffs and cups should count ultimately towards the ranking of players. But I don't think they should be weighted as heavily as personal achievements.
I know some will argue that everything a goaltender does is a team achievement. But when you have a guy facing 25 shots on average and winning a cup against a guy who faces an average of 35 shots and comes up short in the previous round. I can't exactly say the best goalie won the cup.