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***Seany148*** · 01-10-2025, 12:40 PM

DISCLAIMER: I am in no way trying to attack or undermine anyone's apport to the league, I am criticizing the rulebook and at most the decision making. I know IIHF HO has had struggles with applications and I invite anyone to apply if they feel compelled by participating to the IIHF side of the league. I also have a very expressive way to talk, using my hands a lot, and when I write, most of the time it's as if I was talking. Ultimately, I love the SHL, I love IIHF, I love Latvia. I'm just frustrated and wanted to vent a bit. If this caused any harm to you, PLEASE do come to my dms, same user on discord as the site.

Hi. I’m Seany. I’m a bit of a clown in this league, always trying to say the funny thing, but if you know me, you know I really care about what’s going on. I’ve also been Federation Head of Latvia for as long as I’ve actually cared about this website. When I joined, Latvia was pretty much a dying country. I mean, who would create for Latvia when you have the very obvious North American countries in Canada and the US? Even if someone tried not to be basic, they’d likely either put a Scandinavian country or a non-IIHF country as their birthplace. I basically had Benpachi, HoltzFan, and boom as my only significant players. We won a game against Canada in Quarter-Finals at one point, but that was because of sheer luck rather than a great roster building. Other than that, Latvia has only ever “existed” in recent memory, with no medal on FHM (until last season, but that’s for later), and soooo many playoffs misses. It was pretty much a dumpster made barely alive by a few key pieces and staying relevant with an ancient foundation dating from when the previous Fed Head was active. Truth is, Latvia is nothing without transfers. Latvia is nothing without the people who have trusted me, who have started to CARE for the IIHF as a result of someone actually showing interest in them. Latvia is nothing without some player movement, Latvia is nothing if no one remembers that the country exists in the context of SHL’s IIHF. If we start punishing members for caring about the IIHF outside of the league, if we start punishing them because they've actually RECRUITED someone because they mentioned an IIHF team, then what the hell are we doing? We should be striving for a more accessible IIHF. We shouldn't make it even harder for the average person to join the league. We shouldn't expect newcomers to know subsection N of the tampering section of the IIHF rulebook. That’s something for Federation Heads to know, not the normal people who frankly don't really give that much of a fuck about the offseason nations tournament. Should we start investigating everyone who has created on the same team? Any in-lore sibling or family member playing in the same nation means they… they talked? They TAMPERED?! Should anyone who’s talked about the league to a partner, a friend, and said when it came time to pick a country, “just pick Czechia we’ll be together”, be charged with a more severe case of tampering than DarthDaevin’s? Should we really try to kill the league so few of us are dedicated to? I’ve seen the outrage in the thread. And as good as it is for people to look at the IIHF, someone told me “this is the most any of them will think of it for the next few seasons”, and this person is absolutely right. A stupid punishment shouldn't attract more attention than the actual tournament. Lots of comments were about how “this made me care even less about the IIHF”. I ask for common sense. I want my favorite league to be better, to get more attention. And I deeply love it, I’m probably one of the people who care the most about this international federation thingy.
I apologize for the long rant but I just needed to mention it. I deeply love Latvia and anyone that was crazy enough to follow me in this wild ride, and seeing someone get punished because they were excited to talk about a federation that they DID NOT JOIN until way later after the alleged tampering, kills me inside. On the actual alleged tampering/early contact, anyone reading in context would figure out it’s a joke. There was no threat in the message, it was the exact same as someone saying “just put Canada we’ll be together”.
Once again, sorry for the rant, I love all of my rats.

thank you 4 coming 2 my ted talk

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666 words of invoking Satan

steveoiscool · 01-10-2025, 12:46 PM

Satan confirmed to be a rat

Troy_McClure03 · 01-10-2025, 12:50 PM

Well written friend

***JohnFranklinKennedy*** · 01-10-2025, 12:50 PM

thank you for 4 coming 2 seany's rat talk

*Ruggsy* · 01-10-2025, 12:51 PM

Agreed on the sentiment that this is something clearly punishing new players when recreates do this all the time

Jagg102 · 01-10-2025, 12:56 PM

These were my thoughts too, is tampering really necessary, it was hard enough for me to find answers about anything, finding out recently you can transfer countries, not only is that unclear when you register, it might affect where you pick knowing there’s IIHF in this sim to begin with, personally I don’t care what country I play for, but clarity is important, and this punishment is not only uncalled for, but unclear as to what constitutes « tampering »

***sköldpaddor*** · 01-10-2025, 12:56 PM

01-10-2025, 12:40 PMSeany148 Wrote: We shouldn't expect newcomers to know subsection N of the tampering section of the IIHF rulebook.

So, I agree that this punishment seems bizarrely excessive. (I don't know if you needed to go out of your way and point out "siblings" considering one of my in-lore siblings actually did NOT create for my nation lol but hey, whatever weird shots you wanna take, I can't stop you).

It's strange to me that when someone tampered active users to France (at which point they would have been locked in and unable to leave) they did receive leniency because they were new, and in this case, recruiting people to join a nation at creation (which would still allow them to transfer out later if they discovered they didn't like it there) received no such leniency despite arguably being less harmful overall. Very strange.

I think the big problem here is the total lack of consistency between these things, and possibly the rule itself. But this statement strikes me as a little bizarre. At what point are new users expected to be held to the rulebook? Do they have to have an SHL bar mitzvah before they can be held responsible for breaking rules?

This might be a stupid rule. I'm not going to say that because I don't want to get accused of psychological abuse again, but it does seem poorly defined, and worse it seems to be inconsistently applied. But I don't think people being new to the league is an excuse to break the rulebook in any way they see fit.

***Seany148*** · 01-10-2025, 01:01 PM

01-10-2025, 12:56 PMsköldpaddor Wrote: So, I agree that this punishment seems bizarrely excessive. (I don't know if you needed to go out of your way and point out "siblings" considering one of my in-lore siblings actually did NOT create for my nation lol but hey, whatever weird shots you wanna take, I can't stop you).

My first thought was actually the Solbergs, and a few other cases. It is still fresh in my mind because Naomi was very stressed about making sure to not tamper in any way, shape or form, and asked me lots of questions. When I think of SHL siblings playing together I think of Naomi and Tsun, given the fact I talk to them on a regular basis.

***sköldpaddor*** · 01-10-2025, 01:01 PM

01-10-2025, 01:01 PMSeany148 Wrote: My first thought was actually the Solbergs, and a few other cases. It is still fresh in my mind because Naomi was very stressed about making sure to not tamper in any way, shape or form, and asked me lots of questions. When I think of SHL siblings playing together I think of Naomi and Tsun, given the fact I talk to them on a regular basis.

fair enough! rest of my post stands tho!

trella · 01-10-2025, 01:06 PM

If we’re punishing people for tampering for getting people to create for a certain country when are we punishing recreates and GMs for recreates forcing themselves onto certain teams through the draft?

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***SDCore*** · 01-10-2025, 01:09 PM

This should be in SHL Discussion not media, but yeah this one feels weird.

unconfident69 · 01-10-2025, 04:07 PM

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