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DanbyRem · 02-08-2018, 04:52 PM

tl;dr: Should SMJHL career's last 2 seasons instead of 1?

The SHL has changed over the past real life year or two. Players are gaining TPE at a fairly constant rate and it really doesn't take much to make a decent 1000tpe player who can perform at 2nd line with ease. But that's not what this article is about today. That was just filler.
In reality though 95%, probably more, play at least 2 seasons in the SMJHL and what I've been noticing is that players are starting to play 3 seasons more often than what they would have back in S10-S20 where you'd play 1-2 seasons and that'd be it. With the rise of the SMJHL TPE cap to 350 made it a little tougher to cap out at the SMJHL level in your first year, I've actually havent seen someone max out to 350 in the first year at SMJHL in a while, which is good. Once they get drafted to the SHL however it doesnt take long for them to reach the cap since most players have reached around 300 by that time and now they can use +5 TPE training instead of +3 TPE training.

Here is my suggestion:
Make it so once you get drafted to the SMJHL, for example I'll use S40, you won't be draft eligible til S42 in the SHL. (2 seasons)
This giving SMJHL their very own Free-Agent Pool (Restricted of course) with a tender system.
With that remove the 3million MAX contracts because teams are left with lots of cap space with a full team. Ontop of all that when players enter their 2nd and SHL draft eligible season, they can potentially get more contract money than just the basic 3mil that all teams just give out, actually giving SMJHL GMs SHL GM experience.
This is probably rough to read and needs a lot of work for sure, but 2 seasons in the SMJHL can make scouting a bit easier as well and you would be able to judge what players are more active and are willing to stick around more so than others. And maybe we could extend the 350 TPE cap to 400TPE making it harder to max out in the 2nd year as well. I know 155-400 TPE is a fairly big discrepency in terms of skill level but I can see this working.

This is a suggestion so give criticism, i dont even care if its "Fuck off this is the shittiest idea ever" but I would like SMJHL to be a little more competitive in terms of GMing/Player Building instead of just doing activity checks/training and PTs, while just banking TPE to make it to the SHL. Make the SMJHL mean more than it does.

Winter is Coming · 02-08-2018, 04:58 PM

From what I've gathered, a sizable number of members aren't too fond of the SMJHL restrictions, and want to swiftly just become a member of an SHL team, so that they are able to do everything an SHL player is afforded the chance to do.

Also, one season plus the playoffs is around six week or so in real life. That is more than enough time for SHL General Managers to scout properly.

I honestly think the system is fine for the most part, and don't think it needs a massive overhaul. I do enjoy gauging in these types of conversations, so cheers for that! Cheers

***JKortesi81*** · 02-08-2018, 05:05 PM

fuck off this is the shittiest idea ever.

But in reality, we'd have to essentially cancel an entire SHL draft (in this case, S41), one of the site's most fun times.

And on top of that, SHL GMs who have traded for extra picks in that draft or have planned their teams out including a prospect or two from that time, would have their entire plans derailed to a degree.

But the SMJHL is already competitive as hell as a GM, for the record. All of us are pretty competitive while trying to create the next wave of SHL stars for everyone. And I can't speak for the other GMs, but i'm pretty heavily involved on player building and helping my guys plan future builds. And so are a ton of SHL GMs.

I get what you're going for here, and i'm still cool with raising the cap for TPE, but i dont think skipping a draft is the way to go.

Beaver · 02-08-2018, 05:14 PM

Quote:Originally posted by JKortesi81@Feb 8 2018, 04:05 PM
And on top of that, SHL GMs who have traded for extra picks in that draft

*checks SFP picks*
I'm sold, let's do it.

I know a lot of recreates don't care about playing in the SMJHL and want to jump straight into the SHL so I wouldn't force them to play 2 seasons down but maybe some sort of opt-in system where SMJHL rookies can choose to be drafted after 1 or 2 SMJHL seasons. This isn't a terribly great solution but I think it's a bit better than a mandatory 2 years.

Winter is Coming · 02-08-2018, 05:20 PM

Quote:Originally posted by Beaver@Feb 8 2018, 04:14 PM

*checks SFP picks*
I'm sold, let's do it.

I know a lot of recreates don't care about playing in the SMJHL and want to jump straight into the SHL so I wouldn't force them to play 2 seasons down but maybe some sort of opt-in system where SMJHL rookies can choose to be drafted after 1 or 2 SMJHL seasons. This isn't a terribly great solution but I think it's a bit better than a mandatory 2 years.

The problem with that idea is that there can be such a large gap in TPE earned from those who only stay for one season, versus those who want to remain un-drafted for two seasons. Someone might feel pressured to stick the extra season in the SMJHL, just so they can be on par with everyone else. It can sort of start a domino effect, if you know what I mean?

kit · 02-08-2018, 05:26 PM

Just give people the option to declare either their first or second year

Beaver · 02-08-2018, 05:30 PM

Quote:Originally posted by Winter is Coming@Feb 8 2018, 04:20 PM

The problem with that idea is that there can be such a large gap in TPE earned from those who only stay for one season, versus those who want to remain un-drafted for two seasons. Someone might feel pressured to stick the extra season in the SMJHL, just so they can be on par with everyone else. It can sort of start a domino effect, if you know what I mean?

Yeah for sure. You'd have to do regression by SMJHL class instead of SHL class and such so it's far from great. I think an RFA market in the SMJHL would be really interesting from a management perspective but I don't know that there's a good way to go about implementing one.

Winter is Coming · 02-08-2018, 05:32 PM

Quote:Originally posted by Beaver@Feb 8 2018, 04:30 PM

Yeah for sure. You'd have to do regression by SMJHL class instead of SHL class and such so it's far from great. I think an RFA market in the SMJHL would be really interesting from a management perspective but I don't know that there's a good way to go about implementing one.

I think we need to focus on making the SMJHL experience be more enjoyable, versus overhauling the entire system as a whole, in my opinion.

Winter is Coming · 02-08-2018, 05:32 PM

Quote:Originally posted by kit@Feb 8 2018, 04:26 PM
Just give people the option to declare either their first or second year

The idea in theory is great, but look at my other comment that mentions this creating a domino effect of sorts.

r1c3bowl22 · 02-08-2018, 05:35 PM

Rush another expansion so more people can play in the SHL and you won't have players spending 3/4 seasons in juniors

Ninja

Winter is Coming · 02-08-2018, 05:38 PM

Quote:Originally posted by r1c3bowl22@Feb 8 2018, 04:35 PM
Rush another expansion so more people can play in the SHL and you won't have players spending 3/4 seasons in juniors

You sir, are evil! Ninja

Allegiant · 02-08-2018, 06:02 PM

Quote:Originally posted by Winter is Coming@Feb 8 2018, 05:32 PM

The idea in theory is great, but look at my other comment that mentions this creating a domino effect of sorts.

In the SBA if you declare for the draft after your first season of college you get an instant 100 TPE boost to help make up for the gap in earning that you suffer from not capping your college career before uncapping and going all out for your draft. Usually it means the person who declares early is still a bit behind, but it helps make up the difference for people uninterested in the college side of things.

That being said, it would probably be a bit of a mess in the SHL where you can remain on your junior team after being drafted and where regression is decided by your creation date and not the date you officially become an SHL rookie.

I personally think it's fine as it is and doesn't need to be changed, but there are workarounds to try to balance things if we really want.

Winter is Coming · 02-08-2018, 06:06 PM

Quote:Originally posted by Allegiant@Feb 8 2018, 05:02 PM

In the SBA if you declare for the draft after your first season of college you get an instant 100 TPE boost to help make up for the gap in earning that you suffer from not capping your college career before uncapping and going all out for your draft. Usually it means the person who declares early is still a bit behind, but it helps make up the difference for people uninterested in the college side of things.

That being said, it would probably be a bit of a mess in the SHL where you can remain on your junior team after being drafted and where regression is decided by your creation date and not the date you officially become an SHL rookie.

I personally think it's fine as it is and doesn't need to be changed, but there are workarounds to try to balance things if we really want.

I mean sure, we could absolutely develop a system that makes it functional, but as you mentioned, I think the system isn't broken, and doesn't need a massive overhaul. I'd much rather focus on improving the SMJHL experience as is.

***DrunkenTeddy*** · 02-08-2018, 06:21 PM

While I disagree with your suggestion as a whole (some players still want to go up after their 1st year, and it should be allowed), I do agree with this point:

Quote:Originally posted by DanbyRem@Feb 8 2018, 12:52 PM
With that remove the 3million MAX contracts because teams are left with lots of cap space with a full team.

Negotiating contracts in the SMJHL is a bit of a joke... The conversation basically goes "The max I can give you is 3m, so I'm giving you 3m, got any problems with that?"... We get a couple players each season who offer to take less, but there's no point since we rarely get anywhere near cap except after a draft in which you're rebuilding. So I'd suggest we remove the 3m cap or at least raise it a few million to make it more interesting.

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Allegiant · 02-08-2018, 06:27 PM

Quote:Originally posted by DrunkenTeddy@Feb 8 2018, 06:21 PM
Negotiating contracts in the SMJHL is a bit of a joke... The conversation basically goes "The max I can give you is 3m, so I'm giving you 3m, got any problems with that?"... We get a couple players each season who offer to take less, but there's no point since we rarely get anywhere near cap except after a draft in which you're rebuilding. So I'd suggest we remove the 3m cap or at least raise it a few million to make it more interesting.

In addition to that, you could always allow SMJHL players to double dip from their SHL and SMJHL contracts until they're called up so that there's some tangible developmental incentive to being in the SMJHL longer while not making that incentive TPE-based so that people who aren't interested aren't burned from not doing it.

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