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stud · 06-14-2015, 12:00 AM

Quote:Originally posted by Josh@Jun 13 2015, 07:59 PM

then people will just claim the tpe they made for a whole season at the end of it after they do regression

we count the off season as the season after that like after season 23, we have the season 24 off season where we do regression and what not. so wipe out tpe earned that aren't claimed per season

BasedMinkus · 06-14-2015, 12:02 AM

Quote:Originally posted by ,Jun 13 2015@ 08:00 PM

we count the off season as the season after that like after season 23, we have the season 24 off season where we do regression and what not. so wipe out tpe earned that aren't claimed per season

It could work if we did that then. Ive wanted a deadline to claim tpe for a long time.

ByrdeMan · 06-14-2015, 12:11 AM

Heres a far fetched Idea
New Draftee (High Potential=More room for improvement=Higher Training)
Mid Career Player (Mid Potential=Mid Room for Improvement=Mid Training)
Old Career Player (Low Potential=Low Room for Improvement=Low Training)

stud · 06-14-2015, 12:22 AM

Quote:Originally posted by ByrdeMan@Jun 13 2015, 08:11 PM
Heres a far fetched Idea
New Draftee (High Potential=More room for improvement=Higher Training)
Mid Career Player (Mid Potential=Mid Room for Improvement=Mid Training)
Old Career Player (Low Potential=Low Room for Improvement=Low Training)

what if they had to choose if training or TPE cap since some people have cash or signs with a ton of cash because they want training. This could work supported with other things.

Baelor Swift · 06-14-2015, 12:25 AM

Quote:Originally posted by ,Jun 13 2015@ 09:23 PM

Not that easy. Then new players will not have TPE. The old players will have their banked TPEs.

New players will take a long time to develop then. So with a joke of a regression, it's the new players that will suffer.

So you provide SMJHL players with more TPE earning ability, as it should be anyways. Reverse the whole SHL players earn more from training, give activity checks only to SMJHL players, things like that. It's not easy, sure, but it's something that needs to be looked at.

I also think it's an issue of it simply being impossible to replicate real life. Maybe provide incentives for recreates with older players that reach certain benchmarks? In reality, not everyone can be a star if they just work hard while that is the case in sim leagues. So the idea is how to generate that separation. Unfortunately it's too difficult to implement a lot of that at this point in a sim league's lifetime. But it's something to consider for whatever the next big league is - putting a priority on how to make it truly difficult to be a superstar player.

Chris-McZehrl · 06-14-2015, 04:01 AM

we could create a new scale too :ph34r:

Jesus The Mexican Way · 06-14-2015, 04:16 AM

Quote:Originally posted by Chris-McZehrl@Jun 14 2015, 01:01 AM
we could create a new scale too :ph34r:

A new scale to combat this would be a nightmare for new players. A new scale gives older players incentive to stay longer which is what we're trying to solve. imagine all these 1500 TPE guys who are maxed. Now put the new scale in and all of a sudden they are back to being in high 80s rather than 99s. They then want to keep going to get back to 99. New players never get a chance to take roster spots and have a much longer way to go to be SHL ready.

New scale on its own is bad. New scale with new regression, could work.

Jesus The Mexican Way · 06-14-2015, 04:19 AM

We basically want a system where the GOAT players can play to 20 seasons if thats what they want. Then the career guys getting from 10-16 or so and then the rest be whatever they can manage. Some players like to go 10 seasons then start new with a new player. But if were using NHL as a benchmark for how long players should play it gets dicey. The average NHL career is 4 seasons I think. We should not strive to get to that.

Chris-McZehrl · 06-14-2015, 04:25 AM

DAMN

it was a joke <_<

Schultzy · 06-14-2015, 04:29 AM

I cannot imagine a situation that would warrant a new update scale, specifically redistribution which crippled the League for months last time.

The answer must lie elsewhere.

Birks · 06-14-2015, 05:53 AM

We definetely need changes for regression and I think its so bad because its with percent. For example look at Gibbon, he was inactive for 3-4 seasons ,came back, now does like ACs and simple updates and regression still CANT bring him down to start build, because from his 300TP these 15% is nothing and even without point tasks he can get back to it! Just do regression when theres no percent. First season, 50 TP, second season 150, third 175, fourth 200. Idk

R++ · 06-14-2015, 07:40 AM

Leave my uncapped tpe alone

Pandar · 06-14-2015, 11:03 AM

So I'm totally new, and might not really get much of a say, but here's my two bits:

1. I like the idea of making regression based on Attribute Points instead of TPE. If you lose an appropriate percentage of attribute points, it'll be harder to earn back what you are losing.

2. Make it so that as you enter regression, the PT cap is lower (possibly on a progressive scale). It makes sense to me that you should not be able to improve as much in your 12th season as your 2nd.

3. Make it so that recruiting is not worth (as much) TPE. I entered last season late, and did all of the PTs for the last 3 weeks of the season... yet there are two S24 SMJHLers who have as much if not more TPE than me right now, because they recruited like crazy. I have a small internet presence, and so I can't recruit to the same degree as other people, but it seems absurd that after a half season in the SMJHL and my first SHL TTC, I'm still at the same TPE level as players who haven't completed their first PT post-draft. Is this a big problem? No. But it's still somewhere that players can earned bizarrely huge amounts of TPE.

-Final thoughts: everyone keeps talking about Jagr. Yes, Jagr is still playing and doesn't totally suck. But he's not still the Jagr he used to be. He has regressed, and he's possibly even regressed past the point that most other players would've thrown in the towel, despite his intense training and other measures he's taken to curb regression. People respect Jagr, but I don't think opposing teams fear him the way they did when he was in his prime. So I think that we should have a more severe regression system that will make it so that a player can't continue to be a god from season 10 - 17 coasting on banked TPE and the fact that they're not losing attribute points as much as they're being punished in what we seem to see as the primary pride marker of the SHL: TPE. No one says what their overall player rating is (I'm not sure that we even calculate that stat), they say what their TPE is. But the TPE doesn't give an infallible indication of success in the sim.

Sorry for the huge post, didn't think it would be this big.

FourFour · 06-14-2015, 12:28 PM

Quote:Originally posted by Birks@Jun 14 2015, 02:53 AM
We definetely need changes for regression and I think its so bad because its with percent. For example look at Gibbon, he was inactive for 3-4 seasons ,came back, now does like ACs and simple updates and regression still CANT bring him down to start build, because from his 300TP these 15% is nothing and even without point tasks he can get back to it! Just do regression when theres no percent. First season, 50 TP, second season 150, third 175, fourth 200. Idk

I suggested this a log time ago because this affects everyone and the % only takes a toll out of the higher earning players.

But I do feel if I do want to have a long career I should be allowed too.

Jesster · 06-14-2015, 12:31 PM

Quote:Originally posted by FourFour@Jun 14 2015, 11:28 AM

I suggested this a log time ago because this affects everyone and the % only takes a toll out of the higher earning players.

But I do feel if I do want to have a long career I should be allowed too.

Yep, I agree, the career length has been a unique feature for the SHL, there is no set number. However I do think by a certain point, it should end, but at the decision of the player himself and how much they are willing to take on reduced roles. Right now too many players can go for a super long time and still play top minutes, that is the only issue.

With Jesster I watched my decline, and decided I wanted to continue playing in a split start role as the next generation goalie came into Calgary, and slowly reduce my time the following season before retirement.

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