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Birks · 07-08-2015, 05:30 PM

Also we should prevent so many goalies being thrown in expansion draft from all these 12 teams. For example all of these teams throw in all of their backups, so theres 12 goalies for 2 expansion teams or is there a rule or something? I think we should allow max 5 goalies in expansion draft.

Could be also interesting if we decided that all of the teams should give expansion team one 300+ player, one 400+ player and one 500+ player or something like that. That could look something like this:

HAM: Mars III, Krumins, Dujardin
MAN: Holtby, Anderson, Arrowny
MIN: Winters, Reinhart, Sullivan <---- that hurts
NEW: A.Reid, O'Reilly, Semin
TOR: Swerin, Nichuskin, Zaitsev
WKP: Langabeer, McDoodle, Pajari
CGY: Martell, Boychuk, Csonka
EDM: Paurs, Ponsen, Smirnov
LA: Kudrashov, Shetler, Kwik
SEA: Pomery, Miller, Urbowicz
TEX: Alexandersen, Ogorodnikov, Gauthier
WPG: Klark, Bullis, Manious

***Nike*** · 07-08-2015, 05:33 PM

Quote:Originally posted by Birks@Jul 8 2015, 04:30 PM
Also we should prevent so many goalies being thrown in expansion draft from all these 12 teams. For example all of these teams throw in all of their backups, so theres 12 goalies for 2 expansion teams or is there a rule or something? I think we should allow max 5 goalies in expansion draft.

Could be also interesting if we decided that all of the teams should give expansion team one 300+ player, one 400+ player and one 500+ player or something like that. That could look something like this:

HAM: Mars III, Krumins, Dujardin
MAN: Holtby, Anderson, Arrowny
MIN: Winters, Reinhart, Sullivan <---- that hurts
NEW: A.Reid, O'Reilly, Semin
TOR: Swerin, Nichuskin, Zaitsev
WKP: Langabeer, McDoodle, Pajari
CGY: Martell, Boychuk, Csonka
EDM: Paurs, Ponsen, Smirnov
LA: Kudrashov, Shetler, Kwik
SEA: Pomery, Miller, Urbowicz
TEX: Alexandersen, Ogorodnikov, Gauthier
WPG: Klark, Bullis, Manious

Far too many talented players here imo...especially with younger draftees that teams are counting on to Lessen the blow of retiring vets

Birks · 07-08-2015, 05:39 PM

Quote:Originally posted by Nike@Jul 8 2015, 11:33 PM

Far too many talented players here imo...especially with younger draftees that teams are counting on to Lessen the blow of retiring vets

Yeah, but that's the interesting part here. They can't give player less than 300TP and they can't give a player with more than 500TP. U can give worse than 300TP or higher than 500TP If u dont have from 300-500

RomanesEuntDomus · 07-08-2015, 05:42 PM

Quote:Originally posted by Birks@Jul 8 2015, 10:30 PM
Also we should prevent so many goalies being thrown in expansion draft from all these 12 teams. For example all of these teams throw in all of their backups, so theres 12 goalies for 2 expansion teams or is there a rule or something? I think we should allow max 5 goalies in expansion draft.

Could be also interesting if we decided that all of the teams should give expansion team one 300+ player, one 400+ player and one 500+ player or something like that. That could look something like this:

HAM: Mars III, Krumins, Dujardin
MAN: Holtby, Anderson, Arrowny
MIN: Winters, Reinhart, Sullivan <---- that hurts
NEW: A.Reid, O'Reilly, Semin
TOR: Swerin, Nichuskin, Zaitsev
WKP: Langabeer, McDoodle, Pajari
CGY: Martell, Boychuk, Csonka
EDM: Paurs, Ponsen, Smirnov
LA: Kudrashov, Shetler, Kwik
SEA: Pomery, Miller, Urbowicz
TEX: Alexandersen, Ogorodnikov, Gauthier
WPG: Klark, Bullis, Manious

Doesn't really matter how many goalies are in the expansion draft imho, teams don't have to pick them if we don't want to and a system with teams protecting players works better than one where we say "you have to expose x guys".

Merica · 07-08-2015, 05:45 PM

Expansion teams get to split the upcoming draft. Everyone keeps their players and sacrifices their picks for one season.

I jk.

Birks · 07-08-2015, 05:45 PM

Quote:Originally posted by RomanesEuntDomus@Jul 8 2015, 11:42 PM

Doesn't really matter how many goalies are in the expansion draft imho, teams don't have to pick them if we don't want to and a system with teams protecting players works better than one where we say "you have to expose x guys".

Yeah, but it kinda sucks for expansion team if 1/3 of all players given to them is goalies..

Mac · 07-08-2015, 05:47 PM

Quote:Originally posted by Merica@Jul 8 2015, 05:39 PM

Mac, the whole POINT of being a new player is that you are a rookie, and you are behind the curve, as all rookies are. Send downs have been in the league longer and therefore have earned more TPE. You can't just eliminate that advantage that they worked for.

Sorry for all the Winter, I believe that ties in with your article since the borderline for a marginal SHL player has risen over and over each season.

That is something that was discussed as well and another reason we aren't doing the discussion in public since it eats up a lot of time responding to peoples concerns.

Therefore, I at least, have been reading instead of posting in the threads taking in all the comments and such and hoping to find a happy balance for everyone.

Ideally, that would be appealing to the newer members and with the current starting total and senddown cap, there might be a handful of players hit 350 before the draft. This means senddowns get to dominate against all but a handful. Currently, 400 TPE is around the point most if not all your stats are in the 80's (a decent third liner) and you start to flesh out your build, 350 is not too far from that and only the most active and dedicated rookies will hit 300 by seasons end.

50 TPE spent in the 70's can create a huge difference state wise.

I compiled the data on the top TPE earners each season and the average seems to be around 135-145 with a few outliers around ~175 (Creller, Stinson, Zoidberg) With the proposed increase to the start, a new player can reach the same level as a senddown by the time the championships roll around and if sent down would be the same level as 1st or 2nd year senddown.

With people taking up the top 9 in the SHL and the top 6 in the SMJHL being dominated by senddowns who can't make their SHL team yet but are so far ahead of new creates that they will not lose those positions. No one wishes to play fourth line minutes so you have ~40 spots for new members now.

So come preseason in Season 25, when the SHL teams are full and new creates are looking at 3rd line or 2nd pairing in juniors, against players with over double their TPE, unlikely to give up that playing time, what do you think will happen?

The hardest working ones will make it, but we will lose a lot of semi active members unnecessarily who will see nothing but low minutes for a long time.

This league is entirely too reactive at times. Expansion needs to be done NOW, there are an incoming ~40 rookies into the SHL, only ONE stayed up last season and that doesn't look to change this season, so where will next seasons draft class go? The only option is expansion and fixing the TPE engine (gain, start, scale and regression) otherwise, we will have logjams of players in the top 6 for seasons on end.

RomanesEuntDomus · 07-08-2015, 05:51 PM

Quote:Originally posted by Birks@Jul 8 2015, 10:45 PM

Yeah, but it kinda sucks for expansion team if 1/3 of all players given to them is goalies..

That's why I said team's just having to expose a certain number of players is bullshit, have a protection-based system instead.

.bojo · 07-08-2015, 05:53 PM

I liked the protect x amount of players idea

Mac · 07-08-2015, 05:57 PM

Why not mix both of them?

Protect 6, expose 6, the rest require two selections to take.

.bojo · 07-08-2015, 05:58 PM

Quote:Originally posted by Mac@Jul 8 2015, 04:57 PM
Why not mix both of them?

Protect 6, expose 6?

That's really unfair to the teams with higher TPE overall. Seattle's 6 would all be taken.

BasedMinkus · 07-08-2015, 06:00 PM

Quote:Originally posted by RomanesEuntDomus@Jul 8 2015, 01:51 PM

That's why I said team's just having to expose a certain number of players is bullshit, have a protection-based system instead.

But that just cripples good teams for no reason.

I have built a great team and I shouldnt have to give up those guys to appease expansion teams when the purpose of expansion teams is so the younger guys get a shot.

I should be allowed to give up a goalie if I am giving up those two players.

BasedMinkus · 07-08-2015, 06:01 PM

If 15 is too many then make it so rookies are up for grabs. THat way good playes either go or rookies go to an expansion team and they get a chance to play.

Protecting 15 is reasonable.

Merica · 07-08-2015, 06:03 PM

Quote:Originally posted by Josh@Jul 8 2015, 05:00 PM

But that just cripples good teams for no reason.

I have built a great team and I shouldnt have to give up those guys to appease expansion teams when the purpose of expansion teams is so the younger guys get a shot.

I should be allowed to give up a goalie if I am giving up those two players.

10000% this.

I'm down for expansion, but not turning it into a socialistic event and handing them shit that we earned and they did not.

.bojo · 07-08-2015, 06:06 PM

brb signing inactives to give away

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