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BasedMinkus · 07-08-2015, 07:59 PM

Quote:Originally posted by BÃ¼n@Jul 8 2015, 03:57 PM

At the last minute the league changed it from teams giving up two actives to two inactives. So Deener and I got a pile of shit inactive almost no TPE players ) But being an expansion GM was damn fun.

And yet you made it to the cup finals along with Deener the season after through hard work and dedication.

It is sad how the league is now where we feel people need to be coddled.

RomanesEuntDomus · 07-08-2015, 07:59 PM

Quote:Originally posted by BÃ¼n@Jul 9 2015, 12:54 AM
Jesus when I was expansion GM the two best players I got in expansion draft was Hamza Ahmed and Michael Westen. They combined for 576 games, 126 points and a - 34. 

Being an expansion GM isn't supposed to be easy. The league isn't supposed to hold your hand. If you throw your name into the ring to become an expansion GM you are doing it because you want the challenge.

AND I never drafted higher than 4th Overall in regular draft.  Tough shit rookie GMs. Deal with it.

The league has changed so much since the previous expansions, teams are so much better and deeper now than they were back then so those situations aren't comparable. Nowadays you can have like twice as many TPE than the last placed teams in Season 5 or Season 10 and still are by far the worst team in the SHL. Hell look at the two teams with the fewest points right now, New England and West Kendall, they still have four or five 1000+ TPE players each! Back around the last expansion this would've made you the best team in the league, but in today's SHL you finish last with a roster like that. We could give expansion teams rosters full of 500-600 TPE-players (which I think most people would find too much) and they would still be absolutely horrible.

Maxy · 07-08-2015, 08:00 PM

Quote:Originally posted by Mac@Jul 8 2015, 06:57 PM

:D

I would like to use an example here without being offensive.

When I got to West Kendall in Season 19, the place was a ghost town. I remember Haxxed, Jogurtaa, Schmidt, occasionally Rami and of course Syckez and Langdon.

I likely posted the most, Schmidt second, then sort of leveled off evenly from the rest.

My point is, it was a bad team with poor activity and is still making its way back into contention 5 seasons after the deepest draft in our leagues history.

Upcoming is probably it's match and with the current prosposal to protect so many players from being taken, it will replicate that LR I fear. WKP was lucky to have established members, all of whom on that list remain.

I hope the same would be said 5 seasons later for potential draftees.

And when I got to Manhattan we had Jorec, Nike, Myself, semi-active Spangs, inactive Dylan, semi-active DA and the last season of Ocho's goalie if I remember correctly. 2 seasons later we won a cup.

Maxy · 07-08-2015, 08:01 PM

Quote:Originally posted by Josh@Jul 8 2015, 06:59 PM

And yet you made it to the cup finals along with Deener the season after through hard work and dedication.

It is sad how the league is now where we feel people need to be coddled.

Because we apparently now have to make sure every single team equal.

Schultzy · 07-08-2015, 08:03 PM

Quote:Originally posted by BigTittySmitty@Jul 8 2015, 07:58 PM
What about those with NTCs and their rights of movement? Also, what wouldn't prevent teams from trading their aging vets for draft picks and then protect their teams.

My plan would prevent that. Wink

RomanesEuntDomus · 07-08-2015, 08:03 PM

Quote:Originally posted by BigTittySmitty@Jul 9 2015, 12:58 AM
What about those with NTCs and their rights of movement? Also, what wouldn't prevent teams from trading their aging vets for draft picks and then protect their teams.

An NTC is not the same as a NMC, I don't know how many players we have with a NMC but a NTC probably doesn't apply here. Even then, every good player with a NTC would probably be protected anyway and if a player with an NTC is unhappy about being subjected to the waiver draft then I'm sure we could find a solution (or just force teams to protect everyone with an NTC).

About your second point: You always need a second team for that and I doubt other teams would be too inclined to help you with that.

BasedMinkus · 07-08-2015, 08:07 PM

What is weird to me is that not every team is full of actives. We should be embracing the fact that LRs are active, fun is being had. So tough shit you have to be what is called "Third line". It doesn't matter when each line plays 33% of the game.

Maxy · 07-08-2015, 08:09 PM

Quote:Originally posted by Josh@Jul 8 2015, 07:07 PM
What is weird to me is that not every team is full of actives. We should be embracing the fact that LRs are active, fun is being had. So tough shit you have to be what is called "Third line". It doesn't matter when each line plays 33% of the game.

I love being on the team I'm on, if I'm on 3rd line or 1st line I truly don't care, if I'm 4rd line it means that there's 4 equal or better players than me on my team and I should feel great that my team is able to do that. If a player is so selfish that they care ONLY about their minutes and not the fact that if they're on the 4th line there's likely a very good reason for it and they need to work to get better.

Eggy216 · 07-08-2015, 08:10 PM

Quote:Originally posted by Josh@Jul 8 2015, 07:07 PM
What is weird to me is that not every team is full of actives. We should be embracing the fact that LRs are active, fun is being had. So tough shit you have to be what is called "Third line". It doesn't matter when each line plays 33% of the game.

Are you saying we shouldn't be having expansion because of this? Because I think the major reason we need expansion is that people aren't even going to get that third/fourth line spot for at least 3-4 seasons now. People are going to be stuck in juniors, hit the 350 TPE cap, and make it impossible for new players to even do anything in juniors because it'll be filled with people at the cap getting all the ice time.

O4L · 07-08-2015, 08:10 PM

Quote:Originally posted by Josh@Jul 8 2015, 05:07 PM
What is weird to me is that not every team is full of actives. We should be embracing the fact that LRs are active, fun is being had. So tough shit you have to be what is called "Third line". It doesn't matter when each line plays 33% of the game.

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BasedMinkus · 07-08-2015, 08:10 PM

Quote:Originally posted by Schultzy@Jul 8 2015, 04:03 PM

My plan would prevent that.

If it is the combo of mine and OCs idea then it is great. If not you should be fired :D

Maxy · 07-08-2015, 08:12 PM

Quote:Originally posted by Josh@Jul 8 2015, 07:10 PM

If it is the combo of mine and OCs idea then it is great. If not you should be fired :D

I just hope the league isn't doing some bullshit that makes it so if you get drafted to a expansion team you have to stay there so many years before retiring or something like that Smile

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RomanesEuntDomus · 07-08-2015, 08:12 PM

@Boon, Maxy, Josh and everyone else who brought up teams from the past that worked their way up from being shitty to being good again: You are bringing up a good point, this is exactly why I think we need expansion in the first place because I believe that nowadays something like this isn't really possible anymore. The talent level in this league has gotten so high over the last few seasons, basically since all those S20 players started reaching their prime, that it's hardly possible to catch up to the teams that are good anymore unless you have at least some good pieces to start with. Even rebuilds like the ones in West Kendall and Minnesota that you guys mentioned and that happened very recently would be almost impossible or at least a lot harder today due to the fact that even the bad teams have like half a dozen 1000+ TPE players. You won't even get to that level anytime soon if you have nothing of value to start with.

And this is why I think comparisons to earlier expansions don't apply here either, the league was just so much different back then, hell we didn't even have an update scale when the Chiefs and Panthers in the league and the superstars had like 500 TPE back then. It was basically a completely different league back then, what happened in S5 or S6 won't help us at all when trying to determine what to do today.

RomanesEuntDomus · 07-08-2015, 08:13 PM

Quote:Originally posted by Eggy216@Jul 9 2015, 01:10 AM

Are you saying we shouldn't be having expansion because of this? Because I think the major reason we need expansion is that people aren't even going to get that third/fourth line spot for at least 3-4 seasons now. People are going to be stuck in juniors, hit the 350 TPE cap, and make it impossible for new players to even do anything in juniors because it'll be filled with people at the cap getting all the ice time.

The problem isn't that people are stuck on the 3rd line, it's that they are being stuck on the 4th line even if they aren't a rookie anymore and even the spots on the 4th line seem to be running out on some teams. Guys like you, Maxy, don't really represent the average member in that regard either, you are a guy who has been here a long time and has found his place in this community, newer members often don't have that (yet) and I can't blame any one of them who loses motivation after doing everything for three seasons and still being stuck on a team's 4th line.

Schultzy · 07-08-2015, 08:14 PM

The way I see it, an expansion team really is a rebuilding franchise with no prospects. To me the only reason they need to be "helped" is because brand new teams shouldn't be any worse than the worst teams currently in the league. Those teams already have prospects. The expansion teams don't need to struggle for years and years just to become competitive. There's a balance between being coddled/being gifted a winning team for nothing, and being forced to struggle because that's what we did in the past.

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