Originally posted by Baelor Swift@Nov 30 2015, 01:44 AM
Kobe Bryant is the most overrated NBA player of all time.

I agree with this, people would him up there with MJ. His skillset was insane but he was nothing but a great scorer with above average defending skills. His rebounding, passing skills weren't up there. His shooting percentage was never efficient. Never took paycuts like Duncan did to make the team better. That's why he is where he is at. He retired as all-time great, top 15.

Originally posted by gorlab@Nov 30 2015, 08:50 AM
I've always hated Kobe because I was heavy into NBA during the Lakers Dynasty era, and I was not a Lakers fan... but one of the all-time greats, undoubtedly. From my perspective, he's closer to MJ than Lebron is (or anybody else), by quite a ways.

That's an insult to MJ. And LeBron. Unless you mean in terms of personality. Kobe and MJ are both pure assholes.

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Originally posted by gorlab@Nov 30 2015, 07:50 AM
I've always hated Kobe because I was heavy into NBA during the Lakers Dynasty era, and I was not a Lakers fan... but one of the all-time greats, undoubtedly. From my perspective, he's closer to MJ than Lebron is (or anybody else), by quite a ways.

No way lol

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Get out with these freaking comparisons.

When it's all said and done, Kobe will be recognized as one of the best shooting guards to ever step on the hardwood. His legacy is enormous. Let's just take this moment to respect greatness, and that's coming from someone who's hated him dearly through the mid '00s

You absolutely cannot deny that Kobe is in the top 3 of all time. Anybody who does is blindly hating.

In his prime, he was the most dominant player in the league. He was always overshadowed by Shaq during their time together in LA, but he proved to the world that he didn't need Shaq when he took home two more titles without him.

I wouldn't put him ahead of Jordan, no, but as stevo said let's forget the comparisons and just celebrate the opportunity we had to watch one of the NBA's greatest legends take the court growing up.

28 is old you fucking moron

Originally posted by Deener@Nov 30 2015, 01:48 PM
You absolutely cannot deny that Kobe is in the top 3 of all time. Anybody who does is blindly hating.

In his prime, he was the most dominant player in the league. He was always overshadowed by Shaq during their time together in LA, but he proved to the world that he didn't need Shaq when he took home two more titles without him.

I wouldn't put him ahead of Jordan, no, but as stevo said let's forget the comparisons and just celebrate the opportunity we had to watch one of the NBA's greatest legends take the court growing up.

:lol: Kobe has always been, overall, a mediocre defensive player. He could turn up the defensive play when he had to but ultimately, he was always far more focused on scoring. And sure, he is one of the all-time best scorers in NBA history but that doesn't make him a complete player who was dominant offensive and defensively like MJ, LeBron, Wilt, Magic, Bill Russell, Shaq, Abdul-Jabaar, all of whom I would say are pretty indisputably better than Kobe. I'd say there are a number of players who also were/are better but you could make a legitimate argument against them.

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RYAN RIELEY | LW | NEW ENGLAND WOLFPACK | 546 TPE
NAME: RYAN RIELEY
NATIONALITY: USA
HEIGHT: 6'4"
WEIGHT: 210 LBS
NUMBER: 89
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SMJHL CAREER STATS
S53 CAR: GP: 11, G: 2, A: 2, P: 4, +/-: -3, H: 16, CF: 34.9%, CF Rel: -5.1%
S54 COL: GP: 50, G: 8, A: 5, P: 13, +/-: -10, H: 99, CF: 49.8%, CF Rel: -8.9%
S55 QUE: GP: 50, G: 12, A: 7, P: 19, +/-: -17, H: 109, CF: 41.7%, CF Rel: +5.6%
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SHL CAREER STATS

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IIHF CAREER STATS
S54 SWE-JR: GP: 12, G: 1, A: 5, P: 6, +/-: +4, H: 29, CF: 50.6%, CF Rel: +8.9%
S55 USA-JR: GP: 12, G: 1, A: 0, P: 1, +/-: -3, H: 11, CF: 54.1%, CF Rel: -5.0%
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SMJHL PLAYOFF STATS
S53 CAR: GP: 4, G: 0, A: 1, P: 1, +/-: E, H: 8, CF: 28.7%, CF Rel: -11.1%
S54 COL: GP: 5, G: 1, A: 1, P: 2, +/-: -1, H: 11, CF: 43.5%, CF Rel: -7.2%
S55 QUE: GP: 10, G: 2, A: 1, P: 3, +/-: -5, H: 20, CF: 42.9%, CF Rel: +7.5%
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SHL PLAYOFF STATS

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IIHF MEDAL ROUND STATS
S54 SWE-JR: GP: 1, G: 0, A: 1, P: 1, +/-: +1, H: 4, CF: 42.9%, CF Rel: -9.4%
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AWARDS:

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TRANSACTIONS:
S53: SIGNED DFA CONTRACT WITH THE CAROLINA KRAKEN
S54: DRAFTED 34TH OVERALL BY THE COLORADO RAPTORS IN THE SMJHL DRAFT
S54: LOANED FROM USA TO SWEDEN FOR THE WORLD JUNIORS
S55: DRAFTED 15TH OVERALL BY THE NEW ENGLAND WOLFPACK IN THE SHL DRAFT
S55: SIGNED A 1-YEAR, $3.0M ELC WITH NEW ENGLAND
S55: DRAFTED 7TH OVERALL BY QUEBEC CITY IN THE SMJHL EXPANSION DRAFT
S56: SIGNED A 2-YEAR, $6.0M EXTENSION WITH NEW ENGLAND


NICO GRØSS | RW | RETIRED
NAME: NICO GRØSS
NATIONALITY: SWITZERLAND
IIHF AFFILIATION: CZECHOSLOVAKIA
HEIGHT: 6'0"
WEIGHT: 198 LBS
NUMBER: 8
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SMJHL CAREER STATS
S37 COL: GP: 50, G: 11, A: 15, P: 26, +/-: -1, H: 93
S38 COL: GP: 50, G: 7, A: 25, P: 32, +/-: -5, H: 134
S39 COL: GP: 50, G: 2, A: 26, P: 28, +/-: +8, H: 85
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SHL CAREER STATS
S40 BUF: GP: 50, G: 1, A: 11, P: 12, +/-: -14, H: 148
S41 BUF: GP: 50, G: 1, A: 11, P: 12, +/-: -13, H: 146
S42 BUF: GP: 0, G: 0, A: 0, P: 0, +/-: E, H: 0
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IIHF CAREER STATS
S38 CZE: GP: 10, G: 0, A: 0, P: 0, +/-: -2, H: 22
S39 CZE: GP: 10, G: 0, A: 0, P: 0, +/-: -4, H: 18
S40 CZE: GP: 10, G: 0, A: 3, P: 3, +/-: -1, H: 23
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WJC CAREER STATS
S38 EU-C: GP: 5, G: 0, A: 1, P: 1, +/-: -6, H: 13
S39 EU-E: GP: 7, G: 0, A: 2, P: 2, +/-: -1, H: 17
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SMJHL PLAYOFF STATS
S37 COL: GP: 7, G: 0, A: 3, P: 3, +/-: +1, H: 15
S38 COL: N/A
S39 COL: GP: 5, G: 1, A: 3, P: 4, +/-: +1, H: 11
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SHL PLAYOFF STATS
S40 BUF: N/A
S41 BUF: GP: 7, G: 0, A: 1, P: 1, +/-: +1, H: 23
S42 BUF: TBD
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IIHF MEDAL ROUND STATS
S38 CZE: N/A
S39 CZE: N/A
S40 CZE: N/A
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AWARDS:

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TRANSACTIONS:
S37: DRAFTED 3RD OVERALL IN THE SMJHL DRAFT BY COLORADO
S37: SIGNED 1 YEAR/$3.0M JUNIOR CONTRACT WITH COLORADO
S38: DRAFTED 6TH OVERALL IN THE SHL DRAFT BY BUFFALO
S38: SIGNED 2 YEAR/$5.0M ELC WITH BUFFALO
S38: TRANSFERRED IIHF AFFILIATION TO CZECHOSLOVAKIA
S38: NAMED TO TEAM EUROPE - CENTRAL FOR THE WORLD JUNIORS
S39: NAMED TO TEAM EUROPE - WEST FOR THE WORLD JUNIORS
S39: SIGNED 2 YEAR/$8.0M EXTENSION WITH BUFFALO
S41: SIGNED 3 YEAR/$12.0M EXTENSION WITH BUFFALO


CASEY HOLMES | G | RETIRED
NAME: CASEY HOLMES
NATIONALITY: USA
HEIGHT: 6'3"
WEIGHT: 185 LBS
NUMBER: 30
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SMJHL CAREER STATS
S28 STL: 42GP, 18W, 3.21GAA, .872SV%, 4SO
S29 STL: 44GP, 26W, 2.70GAA, .890SV%, 2SO
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SHL CAREER STATS
S30 BUF: 32GP, 10W, 3.43GAA, .894SV%, 1SO
S31 BUF: 44GP, 15W, 2.95GAA, .904SV%, 3SO
S32 BUF: 41GP, 17W, 2.87GAA, .907SV%, 3SO
S33 BUF: 44GP, 21W, 2.85GAA, .907SV%, 3SO
S34 BUF: 44GP, 16W, 3.29GAA, .902SV%, 2SO
S35 BUF: 44GP, 18W, 2.69GAA, .909SV%, 3SO
S36 BUF: 44GP, 27W, 2.81GAA, .908SV%, 2SO
S37 BUF: 45GP, 23W, 2.86GAA, .909SV%, 3SO
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IIHF CAREER STATS
S34 USA: 10GP, 5W, 2.50GAA, .912SV%, 0SO
S35 USA: 10GP, 7W, 3.30GAA, .881SV%, 0SO
S36 USA: 10GP, 4W, 3.65GAA, .884SV%, 0SO
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SMJHL PLAYOFF STATS
S28 STL: 5GP, 1W, 3.54GAA, .864SV%, 0SO
S29 STL: 16GP, 12W, 2.37GAA, .902SV%, 1SO
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SHL PLAYOFF STATS
S30 BUF: N/A
S31 BUF: N/A
S32 BUF: N/A
S33 BUF: 5GP, 1W, 3.78GAA, .895SV%, 0SO
S34 BUF: N/A
S35 BUF: 3GP, 0W, 4.02GAA, .896SV%, 0SO
S36 BUF: 7GP, 3W, 2.50GAA, .903SV%, 1SO
S37 BUF: 7GP, 3W, 2.15GAA, .936SV%, 0SO
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IIHF MEDAL ROUND STATS
S34 USA: 3GP, 3W, 1.33GAA, .946SV%, 2SO
S35 USA: 1GP, 0W, 3.19GAA, .902SV%, 0SO
S36 USA: N/A
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AWARDS:
S29 FOUR STAR CUP CHAMPION (STL)
S29 JERMAINE TENNYSON AWARD (BEST SMJHL GOALTENDER)
S34 IIHF GOLD MEDALIST (USA)
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TRANSACTIONS:
S28: SELECTED 3RD OVERALL (1ST ROUND) BY STL IN SMJHL DRAFT
S29: JOINED THE BUFFALO STAMPEDE
S29: SIGNED 1 YEAR/$1.000M ELC WITH BUF
S30: SIGNED 3 YEAR/$3.000M EXTENSION WITH BUF
S33: SIGNED 1 YEAR/$3.000M EXTENSION WITH BUF
S34: SIGNED 3 YEAR/$6.000M EXTENSION WITH BUF
S37: SIGNED 1 YEAR/$2.000M EXTENSION WITH BUF
S37: RETIRED


ADRIAN THOMAZ | C | RETIRED
NAME: ADRIAN THOMAZ
NATIONALITY: FINLAND
HEIGHT: 6'4"
WEIGHT: 220 LBS
NUMBER: 15
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SMJHL CAREER STATS
S19 STL: GP: 40, G: 7, A: 11, P: 18, +/-: +6
S20 STL: GP: 40, G: 11, A: 16, P: 27, +-: -6
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SHL CAREER STATS
S21 LAP: GP: 52, G: 11, A: 31, P: 42, +/-: E, H: 11
S22 LAP: GP: 52, G: 18, A: 25, P: 43, +/-: +9, H: 30
S23 LAP: GP: 52, G: 13, A: 25, P: 38, +/-: +2, H: 10
S24 LAP: GP: 52, G: 9, A: 30, P: 39, +/-: +17, H: 41
S25 BUF: GP: 50, G: 14, A: 28, P: 42, +/-: -3, H: 65
S26 BUF: GP: 50, G: 15, A: 26, P: 41, +/-: -8, H: 132
S27 BUF: GP: 50, G: 20, A: 23, P: 43, +/-: +7, H: 213
S28 BUF/WKP: GP: 49, G: 15, A: 28, P: 43, +/-: -2, H: 99
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SMJHL PLAYOFF STATS
S19 STL: GP: 15, G: 1, A: 4, P: 5, +/-: +3
S20 STL: GP: 19, G: 6, A: 10, P: 16, +/-: +7
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SHL PLAYOFF STATS
S21 LAP: GP: 5, G: 0, A: 3, P: 3, +/-: -1
S22 LAP: GP: 18, G: 4, A: 8, P: 12, +/-: +1
S23 LAP: GP: 7, G: 3, A: 2, P: 5, +/-: -1
S24 LAP: GP: 18, G: 8, A: 15, P: 23, +/-: +14
S25 BUF: N/A
S26 BUF: N/A
S27 BUF: N/A
S28 WKP: GP: 14, G: 5, A: 3, P: 8, +/-: +3
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AWARDS:
S20 FOUR STAR CUP CHAMPION (STL)
S21 POTOCZNY AWARD WINNER (LAP TEAM AWARD)
S27 JEFF DAR TROPHY NOMINEE
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TRANSACTIONS:
S19: SELECTED 24TH OVERALL (4TH ROUND) BY STL IN SMJHL DRAFT
S20: SELECTED 14TH OVERALL (2ND ROUND) BY LAP IN SHL DRAFT
S20: SIGNED 3 YEAR/$6.000M ELC WITH LAP
S21: NAMED ALTERNATE CAPTAIN FOR LAP
S22: SIGNED 6 YEAR/$26.000M EXTENSION WITH LAP
S25: JOINED THE BUFFALO STAMPEDE VIA EXPANSION
S26: RESTRUCTURED CONTRACT TO 3 YEARS/$9.000M WITH BUF
S28: TRADED FROM BUFFALO TO WEST KENDALL
S28: RETIRED


ANTERO SALMELAINEN | LW | RETIRED
NAME: ANTERO SALMELAINEN
NATIONALITY: FINLAND
HEIGHT: 6'5"
WEIGHT: 215 LBS
NUMBER: 32
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NWJHL CAREER STATS
S7 VAN: GP: 37, G: 26, A: 25, P: 51
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SHL CAREER STATS
S8-S19: GP: 600, G: 175, A: 204, P: 379
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NWJHL PLAYOFF STATS
S7 VAN: GP: 7, G: 5, A: 9, P: 14
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SHL PLAYOFF STATS
STATS LOST
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AWARDS:
S17 CHALLENGE CUP CHAMPION (LAP)
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TRANSACTIONS:
S7: DRAFTED 1ST OVERALL BY VANCOUVER IN NWJHL
S7: NAMED CAPTAIN OF WHALERS
S8: DRAFTED 1ST OVERALL BY EDMONTON IN SHL
S8: SIGNED 3-YEAR ELC WITH EDMONTON
S8: TRADED FROM EDMONTON TO WEST KENDALL
S11: SIGNED 5-YEAR, $15.000 M DEAL WITH WEST KENDALL
S12: TRADED FROM WEST KENDALL TO TEXAS
S12: TRADED FROM TEXAS TO CALGARY
S15: TRADED FROM CALGARY TO LOS ANGELES
S18: TRADED FROM LOS ANGELES TO NEW ENGLAND


BRANDON HOLMES | RW | HALL OF FAME | STAMPEDE FOUNDER
NAME: BRANDON HOLMES
NATIONALITY: USA
HEIGHT: 6'2"
WEIGHT: 208 LBS
NUMBER: 17
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NWJHL CAREER STATS
PGF: GP: 20, G: 12, A: 10, P: 22
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SHL CAREER STATS
WKP: GP: 220, G: 82, A: 97, P: 179
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NWJHL PLAYOFF STATS
PGF: GP: 10, G: 7, A: 7, P: 14
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SHL PLAYOFF STATISTICS
WKP: GP: 45, G: 18, A: 20, P: 38
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AWARDS:
S1 BRANDON HOLMES AWARD WINNER
S1 FOUR STAR CUP CHAMPION (PGF)
S2 CHALLENGE CUP CHAMPION/(WKP)
S3 ALL-STAR GAME MVP
S3 MATHIAS CHOUINARD AWARD WINNER
S4 IHF TOURNAMENT GOLD MEDALIST (USA)
S5 CHALLENGE CUP CHAMPION (WKP)
INDUCTED INTO SHL HALL OF FAME
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TRANSACTIONS:
DRAFTED 4TH OVERALL BY WEST KENDALL IN THE S2 DRAFT
SIGNED 3-YR/$7.5MIL DEAL WITH WEST KENDALL
NAMED ALTERNATE CAPTAIN OF THE PLATOON FOR S3
SIGNED 3-YR/$6 MIL EXTENSION WITH WEST KENDALL

Originally posted by Deener@Nov 30 2015, 12:48 PM
You absolutely cannot deny that Kobe is in the top 3 of all time. Anybody who does is blindly hating.

In his prime, he was the most dominant player in the league. He was always overshadowed by Shaq during their time together in LA, but he proved to the world that he didn't need Shaq when he took home two more titles without him.

I wouldn't put him ahead of Jordan, no, but as stevo said let's forget the comparisons and just celebrate the opportunity we had to watch one of the NBA's greatest legends take the court growing up.

Top 10 yes, top 3 I just don't see it lol. He was a dominant player tho.

Just recently I'd put Duncan, Shaq, Jordan, potentially LeBron (still too early for him tho) all ahead of him. That's not including all of the past greats.

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Originally posted by Deener@Nov 30 2015, 12:48 PM
You absolutely cannot deny that Kobe is in the top 3 of all time. Anybody who does is blindly hating.

In his prime, he was the most dominant player in the league. He was always overshadowed by Shaq during their time together in LA, but he proved to the world that he didn't need Shaq when he took home two more titles without him.

I wouldn't put him ahead of Jordan, no, but as stevo said let's forget the comparisons and just celebrate the opportunity we had to watch one of the NBA's greatest legends take the court growing up.

Top 3? You're killing me. He was a great scorer but it took him 19 seasons to beat MJ's scoring record. His defensive skill was above average, he worked hard but other than that everything else was below average.

Originally posted by Deener@Nov 30 2015, 09:48 AM
You absolutely cannot deny that Kobe is in the top 3 of all time. Anybody who does is blindly hating.

In his prime, he was the most dominant player in the league. He was always overshadowed by Shaq during their time together in LA, but he proved to the world that he didn't need Shaq when he took home two more titles without him.

I wouldn't put him ahead of Jordan, no, but as stevo said let's forget the comparisons and just celebrate the opportunity we had to watch one of the NBA's greatest legends take the court growing up.

Kobe isnt top 3 of all time.


GUESS IM BLINDLY HATING.

But for real he isn't top 3 nor top 5 all time.

Top 3 at his position though

Originally posted by JayTee@Nov 30 2015, 03:21 PM

Kobe isnt top 3 of all time.


GUESS IM BLINDLY HATING.

But for real he isn't top 3 nor top 5 all time.

Top 3 at his position though

Agreed. I can name 3 players that are better than Kobe, and I haven't watched pro basketball since the 90s.

I guess I overreacted a bit. I think it can be argued he's top 3 of all time, but the blindly hating comment was kinda ridiculous lol

28 is old you fucking moron

Lol he sucked

Lol

I'm not a Kobe fan but y'all are on one.


He is a 9x nba all defensive first team.