Originally posted by Rezik@Jan 13 2016, 11:22 AM
Browns have hired Hue Jackson. Told the Browns he wanted to move on from Manziel.

Looks like browns will probably be taking Goff at #2

What is your reasoning for taking Goff over Lynch?

Most analysts say Lynch has the better upside, but Goff is more refined now. So do the Browns take Goff in a 'win now' move?

The questions around Lynch seem similar to the ones around Blake Bortles - I think he has progressed well all things considered.

Originally posted by probablydrunk@Jan 13 2016, 11:33 AM


What is your reasoning for taking Goff over Lynch? 

Most analysts say Lynch has the better upside, but Goff is more refined now.  So do the Browns take Goff in a 'win now' move?

The questions around Lynch seem similar to the ones around Blake Bortles - I think he has progressed well all things considered.

I'd take Lynch over Goff in a heartbeat.

Originally posted by probablydrunk@Jan 13 2016, 02:33 PM


What is your reasoning for taking Goff over Lynch? 

Most analysts say Lynch has the better upside, but Goff is more refined now.  So do the Browns take Goff in a 'win now' move?

The questions around Lynch seem similar to the ones around Blake Bortles - I think he has progressed well all things considered.

Because Goff is better. if Lynch has more upside its only because he can run alot better, but QBs like Lynch dont work out.

Goff did alot of things in college Luck did by calling his own plays, formations on the line, and WR routes. He had the same job Peyton Manning does, except as a 21 year old in college.

Goff is also incredibly accurate, heres part of an article i posted on a browns forum

Beyond 20 yards Goff completed 45% of his passes, 11-19 he was 72% and inside 10 yards he was around 80%. behind the LOS he was around 94 %, while his WRs droped 50 catchable passes

over 10 yards Goffs total was 64% over 10 yards on just shy of 175 attempts

on third downs he was also very deadly, going 85% in 3rd and 1-4, 3rd and 5-9 he was 75% and 3rd and 10 and long he was still over 70% (added in edit)

in comparison, Lynch was around 50% on passes over 20 yards, but he attempted less than 50. in 11-20 range he was around 63%, inside 10 yards Lynch was 76% inside 10 yards, behind the LOS he was 91%. his WRs dropped just 35 catchable passes

the farther Lynch had to throw, the lot less accurate he became, and thats scary when over 10 yards he completed just 57% of his passes over 10 yards on just 114 attempts


and Goff was doing it vs much talented players in the P10 compared to CUSA. Lynch has the measureables, but he is so far behind in terms of pure QB talent he's probably never going to hit his potential, its Matt Jones all over again IMO

Carson Wentz > any nfl prospect

Originally posted by 701 aka YUNG GUAP GOD@Jan 13 2016, 04:16 PM
Carson Wentz > any nfl prospect

i would take him 2nd behind Goff, but he's not ahead of Goff.

again doesn't have the accuracy especially deep (20+ yards) where he completed just 38% of his passes. he even struggled to throw screen and behind the LOS type passes where he was just an 82% passer. his inside 10 yards is nice at 74%, but then i see Goff at 80%. Wentz also didn't have to make the hard throws, he didn't make a whole lot of back shoulder throws in college for example. something he will have to learn, and its alot harder to learn in the NFL.

Originally posted by Rezik@Jan 13 2016, 04:26 PM


i would take him 2nd behind Goff, but he's not ahead of Goff.

again doesn't have the accuracy especially deep (20+ yards) where he completed just 38% of his passes. he even struggled to throw screen and behind the LOS type passes where he was just an 82% passer.  his inside 10 yards is nice at 74%, but then i see Goff at 80%. Wentz also didn't have to make the hard throws, he didn't make a whole lot of back shoulder throws in college for example. something he will have to learn, and its alot harder to learn in the NFL.

I'm just biased, from North Dakota and I've never seen a prospect from here like him.

Hope he goes on to do great things in the NFL.

Originally posted by 701 aka YUNG GUAP GOD@Jan 13 2016, 04:29 PM

I'm just biased, from North Dakota and I've never seen a prospect from here like him.

Hope he goes on to do great things in the NFL.

if he can land on a team to sit for 2 years he probably will do great things, but he'll probably land in Houston or SF and play long before he's ready. New England would be a great spot, Pittsburgh maybe, New York and Chicago wouldn't be bad either.

Goff's prob the best QB but idk if that's saying much. I'd rather pick up a Treadwell, Stanley or something and get a QB later in the draft like a Cardale or something.

Chances are whoever picks Goff will suck next year anyways so I'd rather pick up a great prospect at another position, pick a project in later rounds and look to next year which is a better QB draft.

I actually think Goff can be pretty good but he's no sure thing and next year has better options lol

RIPDAVE

Originally posted by Trill@Jan 12 2016, 10:39 AM


You not a Patricia fan? I feel like he'd be a good HC haha. But obv you follow the Pats more than I do

He's a fine coordinator but I just can't see him being a great HC.

Originally posted by Rezik@Jan 13 2016, 04:34 PM


if he can land on a team to sit for 2 years he probably will do great things, but he'll probably land in Houston or SF and play long before he's ready. New England would be a great spot, Pittsburgh maybe, New York and Chicago wouldn't be bad either.

Lmao put him in Chicago and fans will be calling for Cutler's head after his usual string of INTs and Wentz will get forced into action sooner than he should be.

I do agree that NE, PIT, NY would be good spots but I think they'd go elsewhere to take advantage of the end of their QBs careers. Dallas is probably the best spot

RIPDAVE

Originally posted by Shevy Shev@Jan 13 2016, 04:38 PM

He's a fine coordinator but I just can't see him being a great HC.

I hope he ends up being a good HC. Seems like a good dude and can coach but you may be right

RIPDAVE

Scooby is the best player in this draft, just for the name alone :lol:

RYAN RIELEY | LW | NEW ENGLAND WOLFPACK | 546 TPE
NAME: RYAN RIELEY
NATIONALITY: USA
HEIGHT: 6'4"
WEIGHT: 210 LBS
NUMBER: 89
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SMJHL CAREER STATS
S53 CAR: GP: 11, G: 2, A: 2, P: 4, +/-: -3, H: 16, CF: 34.9%, CF Rel: -5.1%
S54 COL: GP: 50, G: 8, A: 5, P: 13, +/-: -10, H: 99, CF: 49.8%, CF Rel: -8.9%
S55 QUE: GP: 50, G: 12, A: 7, P: 19, +/-: -17, H: 109, CF: 41.7%, CF Rel: +5.6%
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IIHF CAREER STATS
S54 SWE-JR: GP: 12, G: 1, A: 5, P: 6, +/-: +4, H: 29, CF: 50.6%, CF Rel: +8.9%
S55 USA-JR: GP: 12, G: 1, A: 0, P: 1, +/-: -3, H: 11, CF: 54.1%, CF Rel: -5.0%
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SMJHL PLAYOFF STATS
S53 CAR: GP: 4, G: 0, A: 1, P: 1, +/-: E, H: 8, CF: 28.7%, CF Rel: -11.1%
S54 COL: GP: 5, G: 1, A: 1, P: 2, +/-: -1, H: 11, CF: 43.5%, CF Rel: -7.2%
S55 QUE: GP: 10, G: 2, A: 1, P: 3, +/-: -5, H: 20, CF: 42.9%, CF Rel: +7.5%
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SHL PLAYOFF STATS

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IIHF MEDAL ROUND STATS
S54 SWE-JR: GP: 1, G: 0, A: 1, P: 1, +/-: +1, H: 4, CF: 42.9%, CF Rel: -9.4%
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AWARDS:

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TRANSACTIONS:
S53: SIGNED DFA CONTRACT WITH THE CAROLINA KRAKEN
S54: DRAFTED 34TH OVERALL BY THE COLORADO RAPTORS IN THE SMJHL DRAFT
S54: LOANED FROM USA TO SWEDEN FOR THE WORLD JUNIORS
S55: DRAFTED 15TH OVERALL BY THE NEW ENGLAND WOLFPACK IN THE SHL DRAFT
S55: SIGNED A 1-YEAR, $3.0M ELC WITH NEW ENGLAND
S55: DRAFTED 7TH OVERALL BY QUEBEC CITY IN THE SMJHL EXPANSION DRAFT
S56: SIGNED A 2-YEAR, $6.0M EXTENSION WITH NEW ENGLAND


NICO GRØSS | RW | RETIRED
NAME: NICO GRØSS
NATIONALITY: SWITZERLAND
IIHF AFFILIATION: CZECHOSLOVAKIA
HEIGHT: 6'0"
WEIGHT: 198 LBS
NUMBER: 8
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SMJHL CAREER STATS
S37 COL: GP: 50, G: 11, A: 15, P: 26, +/-: -1, H: 93
S38 COL: GP: 50, G: 7, A: 25, P: 32, +/-: -5, H: 134
S39 COL: GP: 50, G: 2, A: 26, P: 28, +/-: +8, H: 85
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SHL CAREER STATS
S40 BUF: GP: 50, G: 1, A: 11, P: 12, +/-: -14, H: 148
S41 BUF: GP: 50, G: 1, A: 11, P: 12, +/-: -13, H: 146
S42 BUF: GP: 0, G: 0, A: 0, P: 0, +/-: E, H: 0
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IIHF CAREER STATS
S38 CZE: GP: 10, G: 0, A: 0, P: 0, +/-: -2, H: 22
S39 CZE: GP: 10, G: 0, A: 0, P: 0, +/-: -4, H: 18
S40 CZE: GP: 10, G: 0, A: 3, P: 3, +/-: -1, H: 23
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WJC CAREER STATS
S38 EU-C: GP: 5, G: 0, A: 1, P: 1, +/-: -6, H: 13
S39 EU-E: GP: 7, G: 0, A: 2, P: 2, +/-: -1, H: 17
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SMJHL PLAYOFF STATS
S37 COL: GP: 7, G: 0, A: 3, P: 3, +/-: +1, H: 15
S38 COL: N/A
S39 COL: GP: 5, G: 1, A: 3, P: 4, +/-: +1, H: 11
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SHL PLAYOFF STATS
S40 BUF: N/A
S41 BUF: GP: 7, G: 0, A: 1, P: 1, +/-: +1, H: 23
S42 BUF: TBD
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IIHF MEDAL ROUND STATS
S38 CZE: N/A
S39 CZE: N/A
S40 CZE: N/A
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AWARDS:

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TRANSACTIONS:
S37: DRAFTED 3RD OVERALL IN THE SMJHL DRAFT BY COLORADO
S37: SIGNED 1 YEAR/$3.0M JUNIOR CONTRACT WITH COLORADO
S38: DRAFTED 6TH OVERALL IN THE SHL DRAFT BY BUFFALO
S38: SIGNED 2 YEAR/$5.0M ELC WITH BUFFALO
S38: TRANSFERRED IIHF AFFILIATION TO CZECHOSLOVAKIA
S38: NAMED TO TEAM EUROPE - CENTRAL FOR THE WORLD JUNIORS
S39: NAMED TO TEAM EUROPE - WEST FOR THE WORLD JUNIORS
S39: SIGNED 2 YEAR/$8.0M EXTENSION WITH BUFFALO
S41: SIGNED 3 YEAR/$12.0M EXTENSION WITH BUFFALO


CASEY HOLMES | G | RETIRED
NAME: CASEY HOLMES
NATIONALITY: USA
HEIGHT: 6'3"
WEIGHT: 185 LBS
NUMBER: 30
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SMJHL CAREER STATS
S28 STL: 42GP, 18W, 3.21GAA, .872SV%, 4SO
S29 STL: 44GP, 26W, 2.70GAA, .890SV%, 2SO
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SHL CAREER STATS
S30 BUF: 32GP, 10W, 3.43GAA, .894SV%, 1SO
S31 BUF: 44GP, 15W, 2.95GAA, .904SV%, 3SO
S32 BUF: 41GP, 17W, 2.87GAA, .907SV%, 3SO
S33 BUF: 44GP, 21W, 2.85GAA, .907SV%, 3SO
S34 BUF: 44GP, 16W, 3.29GAA, .902SV%, 2SO
S35 BUF: 44GP, 18W, 2.69GAA, .909SV%, 3SO
S36 BUF: 44GP, 27W, 2.81GAA, .908SV%, 2SO
S37 BUF: 45GP, 23W, 2.86GAA, .909SV%, 3SO
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IIHF CAREER STATS
S34 USA: 10GP, 5W, 2.50GAA, .912SV%, 0SO
S35 USA: 10GP, 7W, 3.30GAA, .881SV%, 0SO
S36 USA: 10GP, 4W, 3.65GAA, .884SV%, 0SO
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SMJHL PLAYOFF STATS
S28 STL: 5GP, 1W, 3.54GAA, .864SV%, 0SO
S29 STL: 16GP, 12W, 2.37GAA, .902SV%, 1SO
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SHL PLAYOFF STATS
S30 BUF: N/A
S31 BUF: N/A
S32 BUF: N/A
S33 BUF: 5GP, 1W, 3.78GAA, .895SV%, 0SO
S34 BUF: N/A
S35 BUF: 3GP, 0W, 4.02GAA, .896SV%, 0SO
S36 BUF: 7GP, 3W, 2.50GAA, .903SV%, 1SO
S37 BUF: 7GP, 3W, 2.15GAA, .936SV%, 0SO
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IIHF MEDAL ROUND STATS
S34 USA: 3GP, 3W, 1.33GAA, .946SV%, 2SO
S35 USA: 1GP, 0W, 3.19GAA, .902SV%, 0SO
S36 USA: N/A
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AWARDS:
S29 FOUR STAR CUP CHAMPION (STL)
S29 JERMAINE TENNYSON AWARD (BEST SMJHL GOALTENDER)
S34 IIHF GOLD MEDALIST (USA)
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TRANSACTIONS:
S28: SELECTED 3RD OVERALL (1ST ROUND) BY STL IN SMJHL DRAFT
S29: JOINED THE BUFFALO STAMPEDE
S29: SIGNED 1 YEAR/$1.000M ELC WITH BUF
S30: SIGNED 3 YEAR/$3.000M EXTENSION WITH BUF
S33: SIGNED 1 YEAR/$3.000M EXTENSION WITH BUF
S34: SIGNED 3 YEAR/$6.000M EXTENSION WITH BUF
S37: SIGNED 1 YEAR/$2.000M EXTENSION WITH BUF
S37: RETIRED


ADRIAN THOMAZ | C | RETIRED
NAME: ADRIAN THOMAZ
NATIONALITY: FINLAND
HEIGHT: 6'4"
WEIGHT: 220 LBS
NUMBER: 15
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SMJHL CAREER STATS
S19 STL: GP: 40, G: 7, A: 11, P: 18, +/-: +6
S20 STL: GP: 40, G: 11, A: 16, P: 27, +-: -6
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SHL CAREER STATS
S21 LAP: GP: 52, G: 11, A: 31, P: 42, +/-: E, H: 11
S22 LAP: GP: 52, G: 18, A: 25, P: 43, +/-: +9, H: 30
S23 LAP: GP: 52, G: 13, A: 25, P: 38, +/-: +2, H: 10
S24 LAP: GP: 52, G: 9, A: 30, P: 39, +/-: +17, H: 41
S25 BUF: GP: 50, G: 14, A: 28, P: 42, +/-: -3, H: 65
S26 BUF: GP: 50, G: 15, A: 26, P: 41, +/-: -8, H: 132
S27 BUF: GP: 50, G: 20, A: 23, P: 43, +/-: +7, H: 213
S28 BUF/WKP: GP: 49, G: 15, A: 28, P: 43, +/-: -2, H: 99
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SMJHL PLAYOFF STATS
S19 STL: GP: 15, G: 1, A: 4, P: 5, +/-: +3
S20 STL: GP: 19, G: 6, A: 10, P: 16, +/-: +7
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SHL PLAYOFF STATS
S21 LAP: GP: 5, G: 0, A: 3, P: 3, +/-: -1
S22 LAP: GP: 18, G: 4, A: 8, P: 12, +/-: +1
S23 LAP: GP: 7, G: 3, A: 2, P: 5, +/-: -1
S24 LAP: GP: 18, G: 8, A: 15, P: 23, +/-: +14
S25 BUF: N/A
S26 BUF: N/A
S27 BUF: N/A
S28 WKP: GP: 14, G: 5, A: 3, P: 8, +/-: +3
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AWARDS:
S20 FOUR STAR CUP CHAMPION (STL)
S21 POTOCZNY AWARD WINNER (LAP TEAM AWARD)
S27 JEFF DAR TROPHY NOMINEE
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TRANSACTIONS:
S19: SELECTED 24TH OVERALL (4TH ROUND) BY STL IN SMJHL DRAFT
S20: SELECTED 14TH OVERALL (2ND ROUND) BY LAP IN SHL DRAFT
S20: SIGNED 3 YEAR/$6.000M ELC WITH LAP
S21: NAMED ALTERNATE CAPTAIN FOR LAP
S22: SIGNED 6 YEAR/$26.000M EXTENSION WITH LAP
S25: JOINED THE BUFFALO STAMPEDE VIA EXPANSION
S26: RESTRUCTURED CONTRACT TO 3 YEARS/$9.000M WITH BUF
S28: TRADED FROM BUFFALO TO WEST KENDALL
S28: RETIRED


ANTERO SALMELAINEN | LW | RETIRED
NAME: ANTERO SALMELAINEN
NATIONALITY: FINLAND
HEIGHT: 6'5"
WEIGHT: 215 LBS
NUMBER: 32
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NWJHL CAREER STATS
S7 VAN: GP: 37, G: 26, A: 25, P: 51
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SHL CAREER STATS
S8-S19: GP: 600, G: 175, A: 204, P: 379
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NWJHL PLAYOFF STATS
S7 VAN: GP: 7, G: 5, A: 9, P: 14
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SHL PLAYOFF STATS
STATS LOST
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AWARDS:
S17 CHALLENGE CUP CHAMPION (LAP)
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TRANSACTIONS:
S7: DRAFTED 1ST OVERALL BY VANCOUVER IN NWJHL
S7: NAMED CAPTAIN OF WHALERS
S8: DRAFTED 1ST OVERALL BY EDMONTON IN SHL
S8: SIGNED 3-YEAR ELC WITH EDMONTON
S8: TRADED FROM EDMONTON TO WEST KENDALL
S11: SIGNED 5-YEAR, $15.000 M DEAL WITH WEST KENDALL
S12: TRADED FROM WEST KENDALL TO TEXAS
S12: TRADED FROM TEXAS TO CALGARY
S15: TRADED FROM CALGARY TO LOS ANGELES
S18: TRADED FROM LOS ANGELES TO NEW ENGLAND


BRANDON HOLMES | RW | HALL OF FAME | STAMPEDE FOUNDER
NAME: BRANDON HOLMES
NATIONALITY: USA
HEIGHT: 6'2"
WEIGHT: 208 LBS
NUMBER: 17
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NWJHL CAREER STATS
PGF: GP: 20, G: 12, A: 10, P: 22
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SHL CAREER STATS
WKP: GP: 220, G: 82, A: 97, P: 179
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NWJHL PLAYOFF STATS
PGF: GP: 10, G: 7, A: 7, P: 14
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SHL PLAYOFF STATISTICS
WKP: GP: 45, G: 18, A: 20, P: 38
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AWARDS:
S1 BRANDON HOLMES AWARD WINNER
S1 FOUR STAR CUP CHAMPION (PGF)
S2 CHALLENGE CUP CHAMPION/(WKP)
S3 ALL-STAR GAME MVP
S3 MATHIAS CHOUINARD AWARD WINNER
S4 IHF TOURNAMENT GOLD MEDALIST (USA)
S5 CHALLENGE CUP CHAMPION (WKP)
INDUCTED INTO SHL HALL OF FAME
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TRANSACTIONS:
DRAFTED 4TH OVERALL BY WEST KENDALL IN THE S2 DRAFT
SIGNED 3-YR/$7.5MIL DEAL WITH WEST KENDALL
NAMED ALTERNATE CAPTAIN OF THE PLATOON FOR S3
SIGNED 3-YR/$6 MIL EXTENSION WITH WEST KENDALL

Originally posted by Rezik@Jan 13 2016, 04:34 PM


if he can land on a team to sit for 2 years he probably will do great things, but he'll probably land in Houston or SF and play long before he's ready. New England would be a great spot, Pittsburgh maybe, New York and Chicago wouldn't be bad either.

Why do you think New England? Just curious.

Brady has said repeatedly he wants to play until he's 45 and I don't see New England moving on from him so long as Belichik is coach, and even behind him we have Garropolo who has looked impressive in his limited NFL time, I think he'd be good in the other teams you mentioned (assuming you're talking about the Jets not the Giants because I like Nassib as Eli's successor) but just don't think the Pats would be a "great spot" other than to learn from TB12

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Originally posted by Trill@Jan 13 2016, 04:38 PM


Lmao put him in Chicago and fans will be calling for Cutler's head after his usual string of INTs and Wentz will get forced into action sooner than he should be.

I do agree that NE, PIT, NY would be good spots but I think they'd go elsewhere to take advantage of the end of their QBs careers. Dallas is probably the best spot

Cutler just posted the highest QB rating and lowest INT total in his career for a 15+ game season. Gase and Fox did wonders for him.

Originally posted by Rezik@Jan 13 2016, 04:34 PM


if he can land on a team to sit for 2 years he probably will do great things, but he'll probably land in Houston or SF and play long before he's ready. New England would be a great spot, Pittsburgh maybe, New York and Chicago wouldn't be bad either.

I highly doubt the Pats draft him.
They seem to really like Garropollo