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The great NEW/SEA shitshow saga of S41

Quote:Originally posted by Symmetrik@May 7 2018, 11:05 PM


Yeah, that's the most comparable situation, and no one else took his player. Everyone else respected that he was following the co-GM rule of using his earliest 2nd rounder, which by all signs, Samee was going to do.

At that point offering anything was too late, Samee had already retired and was going to lose TPE, there's no point in doing it, follow through and start a new player and take your free player.

Samee may have been warned, but he pretty clearly warned everybody that he would retire if he wasn't picked by anyone else.

If he had passed with his earliest 2nd, I would been fine with this, that's on him for not following the co-GM protocol. I don't agree with other teams trying to force Samee to use a 1st on himself because he's young and they think he'll fall for it.
Now for JT, that was his earliest pick at all. He didn't have an earlier one. As I stated earlier, the other example of this to me is Nike in S20 where he had to literally trade for 1st overall because other teams were going to draft him #1 or #2 and refused to just let him fall to I believe 3rd overall. He had to trade up and take his own player as his top pick in order to be on his own team and GM.

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Quote:Originally posted by JayWhy@May 7 2018, 09:02 PM

IIRC having been close with JT at the time, JT literally went and messaged GMs picking before. He didn't say he'd retire or anything, there were no threats to be had. You're looking for them to help you. So he asked them to pass. It may not have been every GM exactly, but I remember him reaching out to a lot of them to say he promises to take his own player with his first available pick and simply doesn't have an earlier opportunity and if he doesn't pick himself, they're free to take him. He wasn't threatening people he'd retire and trying to be big and tough about it, he went with his tail between his legs knowing what the possibilities were.

that's understandable. I think that goes a long way too, negotiating with GMs and letting them know "hey, this is the situation", rather than going about it other ways.

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Quote:Originally posted by Symmetrik@May 8 2018, 03:43 AM


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I’m confused why I’m tagged? No idea what’s goin on here?

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Quote:Originally posted by crutch@May 7 2018, 11:05 PM


you do realise that you wouldn't have made it to your 3rd pick had NEW not taken you, correct? If it wasn't NEW it was going to be some other team.

Ultimately -- nobody retired yourself except for you, so I'm not sure why you're using that as an excuse to not take the trade. I understand why you wouldn't, but I don't understand the mentality of the season "being gone" from a decision that you made. I am sympathetic to your situation but playing hardball backfired on you.

sorry if that sounds overly harsh
if its some other team, fuck them? I either retire or i trade a valuable asset. Im not that stupid. NEW should know this, and they waste an oppurtunity to flip 17 for an s43 2nd to troll me lol. I cant do anything about someone else drafting me, but I still have the right to be very upset with them for playing with our GM relationship. GMs shouldnt do things like this to troll other gms. trading with 13 teams is hard enough, why would 12 be any better? this is gonna hurt for a while for NEW
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Quote:Originally posted by Michalak29@May 7 2018, 11:12 PM

I’m confused why I’m tagged? No idea what’s goin on here?
New England GM’s said that at 17th overall, there wasn’t anybody available that they wanted

You were picked by New England after the 17th pick

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Quote:Originally posted by WannabeFinn@May 7 2018, 11:01 PM

No offense but how is anyone supposed to believe this when WKP was actively offering a Reddit 2nd for picks in that range, subsequently trading it for a pick lower than the one you used on Samee

I guess they posted it in General tab of SHL HO discord? A lot was happening and I never saw their message or received one from them.

We made the gamble that Samee was bluffing about retiring. He made the gamble that GM's were bluffing about drafting him.

Ultimately, I think this is a bit of an over-reaction. A 2nd round player for a future 2nd, what a cruel extortion we tried pulling here.

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Quote:Originally posted by Michalak29@May 7 2018, 11:12 PM

I’m confused why I’m tagged? No idea what’s goin on here?
New England GM’s said that at 17th overall, there wasn’t anybody available that they wanted

You were picked by New England after the 17th pick

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Quote:Originally posted by Symmetrik@May 8 2018, 12:05 AM

Samee may have been warned, but he pretty clearly warned everybody that he would retire if he wasn't picked by anyone else.

I think he would have stood a better chance of falling in the draft had he not threatened to retire. Trying to work your way around a rule by holding a gun to people's heads isn't going to make them more cooperative.

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Quote:Originally posted by Michalak29@May 8 2018, 12:12 AM

I’m confused why I’m tagged? No idea what’s goin on here?

The team that drafted you said that at 17th there was no players left that they wanted. They drafted you 21st.

I feel bad for you.

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Quote:Originally posted by Allegiant@May 7 2018, 11:16 PM


I think he would have stood a better chance of falling in the draft had he not threatened to retire. Trying to work your way around a rule by holding a gun to people's heads isn't going to make them more cooperative.
no but we live in a world of Mutually Assured Destruction hey

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Quote:Originally posted by Samee@May 7 2018, 10:57 PM

they offered the 5th about 20 minutes after I retired. whats the fucking point if ive already lost most of the tpe i gained that season.

38 tpe

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Oh well My feelings aren’t hurt. I’ll just remember that for later on. It’s cool

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Quote:Originally posted by crutch@May 8 2018, 12:07 AM


I guess both teams played hardball with each other and both struck out would be an accurate statement then.

I don't really think Seattle struck out on anything here, Samee is just going to recreate and get his player for free next season. He delays his player a season, but they aren't competitive anyway and it doesn't really hurt the team at all.

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Quote:Originally posted by Torbvo@May 7 2018, 11:17 PM


38 tpe

38 out of 94, you get the first 155 for free. It's a pretty damn good chunk.

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Quote:Originally posted by Symmetrik@May 7 2018, 09:19 PM


I don't really think Seattle struck out on anything here, Samee is just going to recreate and get his player for free next season. He delays his player a season, but they aren't competitive anyway and it doesn't really hurt the team at all.

that's also understandable too

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