Originally posted by Cynthia@May 8 2018, 01:05 AM

Fair enough. I like <a href='index.php?showuser=1765' rel='nofollow' alt='profile link' class='user-tagged mgroup-4'>Eggy216</a> a lot but I don't respect him enough to not draft him if this situation came up for me .... Also for revenge.

I looked at like, people like TDW, and holding his player hostage would mean that the relationship is damaged. You want people you like to also like you, and holding his player hostage would mean he doesn't like you much anymore.

I think either way, you wouldn't do it to someone you like or respected.

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Katharina Rosenthal || G || Newfoundland Berserkers || 208 TPE ||
Height: 5'10"
Weight: 154 lbs

Christian Kinsinger || D || Winnipeg Aurora || 2042 Peak TPE ||
Height: 6'2"
Weight: 212 lbs

Luca Veccelli || C || Retired || 1093 Peak TPE ||
Height: 6'3"
Weight: 208 lbs

Chris York || RW || Retired || 1817 Peak TPE || HOF ||
Height: 5'10"
Weight: 184 lbs

Prince George Firebirds GM (S34-S36)
Toronto North Stars GM (S37-S43)

Originally posted by Carbine@May 8 2018, 12:09 AM
I'm biased since I play for NEW now, but samee knew the rules going into the draft. Elias wasn't eligible for auto-draft and he knew it - why else would he put the other GMs on notice if they took his player?

Sorry samee, but retiring is the wrong move here. Develop Elias, get through your RFA years and walk. Either that, or pay the very reasonable price NEW gave you. Trying to strong arm the rest of the league will get you nowhere in a game where social status is almost everything we have to work with when building a team.

think if anyone hurt their social status, its new

Originally posted by Carbine@May 8 2018, 12:09 AM
I'm biased since I play for NEW now, but samee knew the rules going into the draft. Elias wasn't eligible for auto-draft and he knew it - why else would he put the other GMs on notice if they took his player?

Sorry samee, but retiring is the wrong move here. Develop Elias, get through your RFA years and walk. Either that, or pay the very reasonable price NEW gave you. Trying to strong arm the rest of the league will get you nowhere in a game where social status is almost everything we have to work with when building a team.

If social status is everything when building a team here then I look forward to seeing how this NEW retool goes lol

KARI KEKKONEN | D | RETIRED
NAME: Kari Kekkonen
BIRTHPLACE: Oulu, Finland
HEIGHT: 6'1"
WEIGHT: 185 lbs
NUMBER: 33
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SMJHL CAREER STATS
S19 KEL: GP: 40, G: 10, A: 26, P: 36, +/-: 16, H: 42

SMJHL PLAYOFF STATS
S19 KEL: GP: 6, G: 0, A: 6, P: 6, +/-: 0, H: 6
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KAAPO KEKKONEN | C | RETIRED
NAME: Kaapo Kekkonen
BIRTHPLACE: Helsinki, Finland
HEIGHT: 6'3"
WEIGHT: 210 lbs
NUMBER: 19
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SHL CAREER STATS
S25 LAP: GP: 50, G: 2, A: 3, P: 5, +/-: -4, H: 75
S26 LAP: GP: 50, G: 4, A: 5, P: 9, +/-: -13, H: 94
S27 LAP: GP: 50, G: 6, A: 9, P: 15, +/-: -2, H: 35
S28 LAP: GP: 50, G: 7, A: 10, P: 17, +/-: -2, H: 96
S29 LAP: GP: 50, G: 13, A: 21, P: 34, +/-: -15, H: 85
S30 LAP: GP: 50, G: 23, A: 22, P: 45, +/-: 4, H: 130
S31 LAP: GP: 50, G: 20, A: 18, P: 38, +/-: 5, H: 162
S32 LAP: GP: 50, G: 18, A: 28, P: 46, +/-: 27, H: 183
S33 LAP: GP: 50, G: 17, A: 22, P: 39, +/-: 20, H: 210
S34 LAP: GP: 50, G: 12, A: 25, P: 37, +/-: -2, H: 131
S35 LAP: GP: 50, G: 10, A: 22, P: 32, +/-: -3, H: 115
S36 LAP: GP: 50, G: 11, A: 20, P: 31, +/-: 10, H: 138
S37 LAP: GP: 36, G: 9, A: 17, P: 26, +/-: -1, H: 72
S37 WKP: GP: 14, G: 1, A: 0, P: 1, +/-: -4, H: 19
TOT : GP: 650, G: 153, A: 222, P: 375, +/-: 20, H: 1545
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SHL PLAYOFF STATS
S25 LAP: DNQ
S26 LAP: DNQ
S27 LAP: DNQ
S28 LAP: DNQ
S29 LAP: DNQ
S30 LAP: DNQ
S31 LAP: DNQ
S32 LAP: GP: 5, G: 1, A: 3, P: 4, +/-: -2, H: 15
S33 LAP: GP: 12, G: 2, A: 3, P: 5, +/-: 0, H: 38
S34 LAP: GP: 7, G: 1, A: 3, P: 4, +/-: 3, H: 23
S35 LAP: GP: 5, G: 1, A: 1, P: 2, +/-: -4, H: 4
S36 LAP: DNQ
S37 WKP: GP: 12, G: 0, A: 2, P: 2, +/-: -2, H: 35
TOT : GP: 41, G: 5, A: 12, P: 17, +/-: -5, H: 115
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TATU MÄKELÄ | D | RETIRED
NAME: Tatu Mäkelä
BIRTHPLACE: Tampere, Finland
HEIGHT: 5'11"
WEIGHT: 180 lbs
NUMBER: 65
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SHL CAREER STATS
S40 BUF: GP: 50, G: 5, A: 17, P: 22, +/-: -28, H: 14, SB: 86
S41 BUF: GP: 50, G: 10, A: 21, P: 31, +/-: -3, H: 9, SB: 78
S42 BUF: GP: 50, G: 9, A: 21, P: 30, +/-: 2, H: 13, SB: 65
S43 BUF: GP: 50, G: 6, A: 24, P: 30, +/-: 1, H: 8, SB: 51
S44 BUF: GP: 50, G: 6, A: 28, P: 34, +/-: -6, H: 10, SB: 63
S45 BUF: GP: 50, G: 4, A: 37, P: 41, +/-: 10, H: 130, SB: 71
S46 BUF: GP: 50, G: 6, A: 36, P: 42, +/-: 25, H: 139, SB: 73
S47 BUF: GP: 50, G: 5, A: 23, P: 28, +/-: -4, H: 137, SB: 76
S48 BUF: GP: 50, G: 7, A: 25, P: 32, +/-: 9, H: 151, SB: 70
S49 BUF: GP: 50, G: 6, A: 22, P: 28, +/-: 5, H: 159, SB: 66
S50 BUF: GP: 50, G: 6, A: 20, P: 26, +/-: 14, H: 152, SB: 72
S51 BUF: GP: 50, G: 3, A: 23, P: 26, +/-: 8, H: 143, SB: 50
S52 BUF: GP: 50, G: 9, A: 21, P: 30, +/-: -3, H: 141, SB: 71
S53 BUF: GP: 50, G: 5, A: 14, P: 19, +/-: 23, H: 50, SB: 98
TOT : GP: 700, G: 87, A: 332, P: 419, +/-: 53, H: 1256, SB: 990
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SHL PLAYOFF STATS
S40 BUF: DNQ
S41 BUF: GP: 7, G: 3, A: 2, P: 5, +/-: -3, H: 0, SB: 10
S42 BUF: GP: 5, G: 0, A: 1, P: 1, +/-: -9, H: 2, SB: 10
S43 BUF: GP: 9, G: 0, A: 5, P: 5, +/-: -1, H: 1, SB: 8
S44 BUF: DNQ
S45 BUF: DNQ
S46 BUF: GP: 17, G: 0, A: 12, P: 12, +/-: 11, H: 59, SB: 28
S47 BUF: GP: 13, G: 0, A: 5, P: 5, +/-: 2, H: 32, SB: 18
S48 BUF: GP: 22, G: 2, A: 10, P: 12, +/-: 2, H: 64, SB: 32
S49 BUF: GP: 5, G: 0, A: 5, P: 5, +/-: 5, H: 15, SB: 8
S50 BUF: GP: 6, G: 0, A: 5, P: 5, +/-: -2, H: 18, SB: 12
S51 BUF: GP: 8, G: 2, A: 5, P: 7, +/-: -3, H: 15, SB: 11
S52 BUF: GP: 15, G: 4, A: 5, P: 9, +/-: 4, H: 47, SB: 26
S53 BUF: GP: 4, G: 0, A: 0, P: 0, +/-: 0, H: 6, SB: 13
TOT : GP: 111, G: 11, A: 55, P: 66, +/-: 6, H: 159, SB: 176
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KOLJA KEKKONEN | D | RETIRED
NAME: Kolja Kekkonen
BIRTHPLACE: Lappeenranta, Finland
HEIGHT: 6'3"
WEIGHT: 225 lbs
NUMBER: 8
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SMJHL CAREER STATS
S53 DET: GP: 3, G: 0, A: 1, P: 1, +/-: -1, H: 2, SB: 0
S54 DET: GP: 50, G: 2, A: 8, P: 10, +/-: -6, H: 15, SB: 37
S55 DET: GP: 50, G: 4, A: 12, P: 16, +/-: -24, H: 32, SB: 24
S56 DET: GP: 50, G: 4, A: 17, P: 21, +/-: -20, H: 52, SB: 71
S57 ANA: GP: 66, G: 6, A: 20, P: 26, +/-: 14, H: 52, SB: 70
TOT : GP: 219, G: 16, A: 58, P: 74, +/-: -37, H: 153, SB: 202
SMJHL PLAYOFF STATS
S53 DET: DNP
S54 DET: GP: 7, G: 0, A: 0, P: 0, +/-: 0, H: 2, SB: 3
S55 DET: GP: 4, G: 0, A: 1, P: 1, +/-: -2, H: 3, SB: 0
S56 DET: GP: 5, G: 2, A: 2, P: 4, +/-: 0, H: 3, SB: 7
S57 ANA: GP: 21, G: 2, A: 13, P: 15, +/-: 5, H: 13, SB: 34
TOT : GP: 37, G: 4, A: 16, P: 20, +/-: 3, H: 22, SB: 44
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KEKW KEKKONEN | C | RETIRED
NAME: Karl-Erik-Karl2-Wojtek Kekkonen
BIRTHPLACE: Lohja, Finland
HEIGHT: 6'4"
WEIGHT: 220 lbs
NUMBER: 69
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SHL CAREER STATS
S61 BUF: GP: 66, G: 10, A: 28, P: 38, +/-: 21, H: 59, SH: 134
S62 BUF: GP: 66, G: 19, A: 36, P: 55, +/-: 9, H: 84, SH: 194
S63 BUF: GP: 66, G: 17, A: 14, P: 31, +/-: -13, H: 91, SH: 148
S64 BUF: GP: 66, G: 16, A: 51, P: 67, +/-: 36, H: 82, SH: 212
S65 BUF: GP: 66, G: 25, A: 41, P: 66, +/-: 33, H: 136, SH: 230
S66 BUF: GP: 66, G: 38, A: 43, P: 81, +/-: 18, H: 64, SH: 222
S67 BUF: GP: 66, G: 40, A: 45, P: 85, +/-: -6, H: 76, SH: 224
S68 BUF: GP: 66, G: 47, A: 46, P: 93, +/-: 45, H: 51, SH: 326
S69 BUF: GP: 66, G: 35, A: 31, P: 66, +/-: 22, H: 43, SH: 269
S70 BUF: GP: 66, G: 33, A: 48, P: 81, +/-: 18, H: 66, SH: 297
S71 BUF: GP: 66, G: 36, A: 41, P: 77, +/-: 37, H: 55, SH: 257
S72 BUF: GP: 66, G: 25, A: 35, P: 60, +/-: -1, H: 58, SH: 281
S73 BUF: GP: 66, G: 31, A: 41, P: 72, +/-: 23, H: 48, SH: 305
S74 BUF/WPG: GP: 66, G: 17, A: 47, P: 64, +/-: 33, H: 101, SH: 164
TOT : GP: 924, G: 389, A: 547, P: 936, +/-: 275, H: 1014, SH: 3263
SHL PLAYOFF STATS
S61 BUF: GP: 9, G: 2, A: 6, P: 8, +/-: 4, H: 11, SH: 24
S62 BUF: GP: 9, G: 3, A: 1, P: 4, +/-: 2, H: 5, SH: 25
S63 BUF: GP: 12, G: 1, A: 2, P: 3, +/-: -1, H: 32, SH: 33
S64 BUF: GP: 11, G: 2, A: 2, P: 4, +/-: -6, H: 12, SH: 41
S65 BUF: GP: 18, G: 4, A: 7, P: 11, +/-: 8, H: 34, SH: 62
S66 BUF: GP: 16, G: 11, A: 9, P: 20, +/-: 3, H: 13, SH: 49
S67 BUF: GP: 4, G: 2, A: 2, P: 4, +/-: -3, H: 3, SH: 20
S68 BUF: GP: 17, G: 6, A: 8, P: 14, +/-: -4, H: 11, SH: 75
S69 BUF: GP: 4, G: 1, A: 0, P: 1, +/-: -5, H: 2, SH: 13
S70 BUF: GP: 7, G: 1, A: 3, P: 4, +/-: -8, H: 2, SH: 25
S71 BUF: GP: 21, G: 12, A: 9, P: 21, +/-: 6, H: 24, SH: 97
S72 BUF: GP: 5, G: 0, A: 2, P: 2, +/-: -4, H: 7, SH: 25
S73 BUF: GP: 6, G: 3, A: 0, P: 3, +/-: -3, H: 11, SH: 33
S74 WPG: GP: 22, G: 3, A: 4, P: 7, +/-: -2, H: 15, SH: 37
TOT : GP: 161, G: 51, A: 55, P: 106, +/-: -11, H: 182, SH: 559
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KAL ÅKAR KEKKONEN | D | SEATTLE ARGONAUTS
NAME: Kal Åkar Kekkonen
BIRTHPLACE: The Wilderness, Gielinor
HEIGHT: 6'6"
WEIGHT: 240 lbs
NUMBER: 75
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SMJHL CAREER STATS
S74 DET: GP: 66, G: 6, A: 14, P: 20, +/-: 3, SH: 83, H: 76, SB: 29
S75 DET: GP: 66, G: 8, A: 22, P: 30, +/-: 31, SH: 129, H: 123, SB: 114
S76 DET: GP: 66, G: 17, A: 21, P: 38, +/-: -10, SH: 193, H: 74, SB: 130

SMJHL PLAYOFF STATS
S74 DET: GP: 17, G: 3, A: 7, P: 10, +/-: 8, SH: 18, H: 16, SB: 5
S75 DET: GP: 14, G: 5, A: 6, P: 11, +/-: 2, SH: 40, H: 26, SB: 27
S76 DET: GP: 4, G: 1, A: 2, P: 3, +/-: -2, SH: 8, H: 8, SB: 8
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Originally posted by Carbine@May 8 2018, 01:09 AM
I'm biased since I play for NEW now, but samee knew the rules going into the draft. Elias wasn't eligible for auto-draft and he knew it - why else would he put the other GMs on notice if they took his player?

Sorry samee, but retiring is the wrong move here. Develop Elias, get through your RFA years and walk. Either that, or pay the very reasonable price NEW gave you. Trying to strong arm the rest of the league will get you nowhere in a game where social status is almost everything we have to work with when building a team.

If he did not acquire his player by the start of the season, he was not allowed to be the GM of the Riot. He couldn't let Elias start the season with another team.

And a 2nd in a stronger draft class is not really a reasonable trade when he could retire and get his player for free next draft.

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Katharina Rosenthal || G || Newfoundland Berserkers || 208 TPE ||
Height: 5'10"
Weight: 154 lbs

Christian Kinsinger || D || Winnipeg Aurora || 2042 Peak TPE ||
Height: 6'2"
Weight: 212 lbs

Luca Veccelli || C || Retired || 1093 Peak TPE ||
Height: 6'3"
Weight: 208 lbs

Chris York || RW || Retired || 1817 Peak TPE || HOF ||
Height: 5'10"
Weight: 184 lbs

Prince George Firebirds GM (S34-S36)
Toronto North Stars GM (S37-S43)

Essentially, NEW offered #17 OA in this draft for a future 2nd (no specific draft). I don't think that really makes us the evil extortioners we're being made out to be.

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Originally posted by Torbvo@May 8 2018, 12:20 AM
Essentially, NEW offered #17 OA in this draft for a future 2nd (no specific draft). I don't think that really makes us the evil extortioners we're being made out to be.

Yeah but look at it from samee's viewpoint. His choices are:
1) give you a reddit 2nd to save the inconvenience of recreating
2) retire and recreate, getting his player for free next draft as well as a quality prospect with that 2nd

No brainer imo.

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Jack Tanner -- Offensive Defenseman -- MTL & SF -- 1250 TPE
5'11", 210lbs, #37
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SMJHL Career Statistics
S36 -- 50 GP | 21:01 TOI/G | 8 G 19 A | 86 SOG | 0-0-2 Fights | 28 PIM
S37 -- 50 GP | 21:10 TOI/G | 7 G 28 A | 111 SOG | 0-0-2 Fights | 36 PIM
S38 -- 50 GP | 19:10 TOI/G | 19 G 20 A | 160 SOG | 0-0-1 Fights | 25 PIM
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SMJHL Playoff Statistics
S37 -- 17 GP | 21:45 TOI/G | 4 G 10 A | 36 SOG | 0-0-1 Fights | 9 PIM | GWG G3 v Halifax
S38 -- 13 GP | 19:48 TOI/G | 6 G 6 A | 58 SOG | 0-1-0 Fights| 9 PIM | Hat Trick & GWG G3 v PGF, GTG G6 v PGF
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SHL Career Statistics
S39 -- 50 GP | 22:44 TOI/G | 9 G 22 A | 77 SOG | No Fights | 4 PIM
S40 -- 50 GP | 24:01 TOI/G | 7 G 24 A | 88 SOG | 0-0-1 Fights | 9 PIM
S41 -- 50 GP | 24:31 TOI/G | 16 G 30 A | 135 SOG | 0-0-6 Fights | 34 PIM
S42 -- 50 GP | 24:24 TOI/G | 8 G 30 A | 111 SOG | 2-1-3 Fights | 30 PIM
S43 -- 50 GP | 25:24 TOI/G | 17 G 31 A | 154 SOG | 301 iCF | 1-0-1 Fights | 24 PIM
S44 -- 50 GP | 21:59 TOI/G | 12 G 22 A | 111 SOG | 229 iCF | 2-0-1 Fights | 53 PIM
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SHL Playoff Statistics
N/A
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IIHF Career Statistics
S36 -- 11 GP | 5:33 TOI/G | 0G 1A | 0 SOG | 0 PIM
S37 -- 13 GP | 14:49 TOI/G | 1G 1A | 5 SOG | 0 PIM
S38 -- 10 GP | 13:57 TOI/G | 0G 1A | 7 SOG | 0 PIM
S38 WJC -- 7 GP | 22:26 TOI/G | 1G 2A | 11 SOG | 0 PIM
S39 -- 13 GP | 16:58 TOI/G | 2G 5A | 16 SOG | 2 PIM
S40 -- 11 GP | 21:54 TOI/G | 4G 7A | 21 SOG | 2 PIM
S41 --  13 GP | 22:05 TOI/G | 3G 5A | 24 SOG | 2 PIM
S42 -- 13 GP | 23:14 TOI/G | 1G 12A | 27 SOG | 53 iCF | 0 PIM | GWG in Final v Canada ~Gold Medal~
S43 -- 13 GP | 23:23 TOI/G | 4G 2A | 27 SOG | 53 iCF | 2 PIM ~Gold Medal~
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Notes:
Drafted #6 Overall in S36 SMJHL Draft (MTL)
S36: RIGHTFUL Esa Anrikkanen Winner
Drafted #2 Overall in S37 SHL Draft (POR)
S38: Hat Trick G3 vs Prince George
S39: Led rookies in scoring
S39: All-Rookie Team (only unanimous)
S42: 1st Star & GWG in IIHF Final
S42: Gold Medal with Team Ireland
S43: Gold Medal with Team Ireland
S44: Gold Medal with Team Ireland
S45: Gordie Howe Hat Trick vs Manhattan Rage: Game 177 - 2 goals, 1 assist, and beat up Clint Eastwood.
5/18 career PS%




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Originally posted by Symmetrik@May 8 2018, 12:13 AM


If he did not acquire his player by the start of the season, he was not allowed to be the GM of the Riot. He couldn't let Elias start the season with another team.

And a 2nd in a stronger draft class is not really a reasonable trade when he could retire and get his player for free next draft.

Ah. Well that changes things.

Still, the auto-draft would have been a 2nd round pick would it not? What's the difference if it's from a later draft? Throw a conditional 2nd NEW's way and you get your player.

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Originally posted by Torbvo@May 8 2018, 01:20 AM
Essentially, NEW offered #17 OA in this draft for a future 2nd (no specific draft). I don't think that really makes us the evil extortioners we're being made out to be.

You wouldn't have done it if you felt that you weren't getting a better pick out of it. You wanted to gain a good asset for cheap, because you thought Samee had to do it. You tried to take advantage of him.

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Katharina Rosenthal || G || Newfoundland Berserkers || 208 TPE ||
Height: 5'10"
Weight: 154 lbs

Christian Kinsinger || D || Winnipeg Aurora || 2042 Peak TPE ||
Height: 6'2"
Weight: 212 lbs

Luca Veccelli || C || Retired || 1093 Peak TPE ||
Height: 6'3"
Weight: 208 lbs

Chris York || RW || Retired || 1817 Peak TPE || HOF ||
Height: 5'10"
Weight: 184 lbs

Prince George Firebirds GM (S34-S36)
Toronto North Stars GM (S37-S43)

Originally posted by Carbine@May 8 2018, 01:25 AM

Ah. Well that changes things.

Still, the auto-draft would have been a 2nd round pick would it not? What's the difference if it's from a later draft? Throw a conditional 2nd NEW's way and you get your player.

Auto-draft with a 2nd is for co-GMs. Head GMs do not need to use a pick at all, as evidenced in this same draft with Karlsson going to Texas, and Skalde to Winnipeg (they used 40th overall, a 3rd, their last pick of the draft).

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Katharina Rosenthal || G || Newfoundland Berserkers || 208 TPE ||
Height: 5'10"
Weight: 154 lbs

Christian Kinsinger || D || Winnipeg Aurora || 2042 Peak TPE ||
Height: 6'2"
Weight: 212 lbs

Luca Veccelli || C || Retired || 1093 Peak TPE ||
Height: 6'3"
Weight: 208 lbs

Chris York || RW || Retired || 1817 Peak TPE || HOF ||
Height: 5'10"
Weight: 184 lbs

Prince George Firebirds GM (S34-S36)
Toronto North Stars GM (S37-S43)

Originally posted by Symmetrik@May 8 2018, 12:25 AM


You wouldn't have done it if you felt that you weren't getting a better pick out of it. You wanted to gain a good asset for cheap, because you thought Samee had to do it. You tried to take advantage of him.

I mean it's not his fault. Even if he was trying to get something better out of it, it's a legal risk he took and thought it was worth it.

Originally posted by Symmetrik@May 8 2018, 12:25 AM


You wouldn't have done it if you felt that you weren't getting a better pick out of it. You wanted to gain a good asset for cheap, because you thought Samee had to do it. You tried to take advantage of him.

Samee tried taking the good will of GM's for advantage. We aren't obligated to help Samee out by letting his player slide.

We wanted a future 2nd, he could have chosen which draft. Similar to how I let you pick the 2nd for the Clayton trade and you chose S43.

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Originally posted by Gooney+May 8 2018, 12:11 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1' id='QUOTE-WRAP'><tr><td>QUOTE (Gooney @ May 8 2018, 12:11 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
think if anyone hurt their social status, its new[/b]

I think that's a fair assumption. Still doesn't change the fact that Elias was fair game to every other team.

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If social status is everything when building a team here then I look forward to seeing how this NEW retool goes lol[/quote]

I expect it to go just fine.

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Originally posted by Torbvo@May 8 2018, 01:31 AM


Samee tried taking the good will of GM's for advantage. We aren't obligated to help Samee out by letting his player slide.

We wanted a future 2nd, he could have chosen which draft. Similar to how I let you pick the 2nd for the Clayton trade and you chose S43.

"I let him pick between eating the horseshit or eating the dogshit, I can't believe he ran away to my neighbours who gave him a steak dinner, for free!"

He wasn't taking advantage of the good will of GMs. I think pretty much everyone but you was fine with letting him follow the co-GM rule - he has to use his easliest 2nd. You picked him before he ever got there. If he was still on the board after 22, that's on him.

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Katharina Rosenthal || G || Newfoundland Berserkers || 208 TPE ||
Height: 5'10"
Weight: 154 lbs

Christian Kinsinger || D || Winnipeg Aurora || 2042 Peak TPE ||
Height: 6'2"
Weight: 212 lbs

Luca Veccelli || C || Retired || 1093 Peak TPE ||
Height: 6'3"
Weight: 208 lbs

Chris York || RW || Retired || 1817 Peak TPE || HOF ||
Height: 5'10"
Weight: 184 lbs

Prince George Firebirds GM (S34-S36)
Toronto North Stars GM (S37-S43)

Originally posted by Symmetrik@May 8 2018, 12:27 AM


Auto-draft with a 2nd is for co-GMs. Head GMs do not need to use a pick at all, as evidenced in this same draft with Karlsson going to Texas, and Skalde to Winnipeg (they used 40th overall, a 3rd, their last pick of the draft).

I see. Makes sense.

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Originally posted by .bojo@May 8 2018, 01:31 AM


I mean it's not his fault. Even if he was trying to get something better out of it, it's a legal risk he took and thought it was worth it.

It doesn't mean he wasn't trying to extort him.

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Katharina Rosenthal || G || Newfoundland Berserkers || 208 TPE ||
Height: 5'10"
Weight: 154 lbs

Christian Kinsinger || D || Winnipeg Aurora || 2042 Peak TPE ||
Height: 6'2"
Weight: 212 lbs

Luca Veccelli || C || Retired || 1093 Peak TPE ||
Height: 6'3"
Weight: 208 lbs

Chris York || RW || Retired || 1817 Peak TPE || HOF ||
Height: 5'10"
Weight: 184 lbs

Prince George Firebirds GM (S34-S36)
Toronto North Stars GM (S37-S43)