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vbottas17 · 05-08-2018, 02:53 AM

Samee too stubborn to give up a pick for the time he put into his player then that's his problem.

No difference between pass and a retired player.

vbottas17 · 05-08-2018, 02:54 AM

Did you really just compare this situation to kidnapping a kid and holding him hostage??

You're fuckin nuts dude.

Symmetrik · 05-08-2018, 03:03 AM

Quote:Originally posted by vbottas17@May 8 2018, 02:54 AM
Did you really just compare this situation to kidnapping a kid and holding him hostage??

You're fuckin nuts dude.

They were literally took him to try and ransom him back to Seattle lol

Symmetrik · 05-08-2018, 03:04 AM

Quote:Originally posted by vbottas17@May 8 2018, 02:53 AM
Samee too stubborn to give up a pick for the time he put into his player then that's his problem.

No difference between pass and a retired player.

The difference is the damage done to reputation.

Not to mention New England obviously still valued players, as they literally drafted an active at 21.

vbottas17 · 05-08-2018, 03:15 AM

Quote:Originally posted by Symmetrik@May 8 2018, 07:04 AM

The difference is the damage done to reputation.

Not to mention New England obviously still valued players, as they literally drafted an active at 21.

I think you're trying to blow this out of proportion and try to damage another franchise. Maybe because they knew that samee would be gone before #21 and the opportunity would pass? Just because you for some weird reason feel a need to be so up in arms about this doesn't mean that it was the wrong thing to do. It didnt work out as planned but it's not a huge loss and was an opportunity to secure future assets. Samee loses and NE loses but samee obviously loses a lot more as all the work he put into his player is gone because he got sad that people didnt play his game. You still upset that NE didnt draft you or something? I honestly dont get why you want to point such a negative light on NE when they did nothing wrong.

FlappyGiraffe · 05-08-2018, 03:18 AM

I bet Samee's new player will score a series winner against NEW at some point, something Elias never would have done. There's a saying about creating your own worst enemy I think..

Symmetrik · 05-08-2018, 03:26 AM

Quote:Originally posted by vbottas17@May 8 2018, 03:15 AM

I think you're trying to blow this out of proportion and try to damage another franchise. Maybe because they knew that samee would be gone before #21 and the opportunity would pass? Just because you for some weird reason feel a need to be so up in arms about this doesn't mean that it was the wrong thing to do. It didnt work out as planned but it's not a huge loss and was an opportunity to secure future assets. Samee loses and NE loses but samee obviously loses a lot more as all the work he put into his player is gone because he got sad that people didnt play his game. You still upset that NE didnt draft you or something? I honestly dont get why you want to point such a negative light on NE when they did nothing wrong.

They lost a high 2nd round pick that they acquired in a big trade, for nothing. NEW loses a lot more than Samee. Samee can just make another player and hit the same TPE level easily. He doesn't lose anything. All he has is wasted time. He can get it back pretty easily this season, if not with more. NEW lost a hell of a lot more leaving players like Savage, Tutankhamun, and Dimmadome on the board, for nothing. Elyk just came off a 20 season career, and NEW left him on the board to throw away a pick instead?

NEW pulled a scummy move and this is the result. They were never going to gain anything from it, but they thought they could scare Samee into giving them something and making him look like a fool. If it was a member they respected, they wouldn't have done it. It's just massive disrespect to another GM who's gotten enough shit in 10 seasons.

Toivo · 05-08-2018, 03:30 AM

Quote:Originally posted by Symmetrik@May 8 2018, 02:26 AM

They lost a high 2nd round pick that they acquired in a big trade, for nothing. NEW loses a lot more than Samee. Samee can just make another player and hit the same TPE level easily. He doesn't lose anything. All he has is wasted time. He can get it back pretty easily this season, if not with more. NEW lost a hell of a lot more leaving players like Savage, Tutankhamun, and Dimmadome on the board, for nothing. Elyk just came off a 20 season career, and NEW left him on the board to throw away a pick instead?

NEW pulled a scummy move and this is the result. They were never going to gain anything from it, but they thought they could scare Samee into giving them something and making him look like a fool. If it was a member they respected, they wouldn't have done it. It's just massive disrespect to another GM who's gotten enough shit in 10 seasons.

How would a 2nd for 2nd trade make someone look like a fool? You're trying really hard at a narrative here, but I just don't see it.

karlssens · 05-08-2018, 03:38 AM

Quote:Originally posted by Symmetrik@May 8 2018, 12:26 AM

They lost a high 2nd round pick that they acquired in a big trade, for nothing. NEW loses a lot more than Samee. Samee can just make another player and hit the same TPE level easily. He doesn't lose anything. All he has is wasted time. He can get it back pretty easily this season, if not with more. NEW lost a hell of a lot more leaving players like Savage, Tutankhamun, and Dimmadome on the board, for nothing. Elyk just came off a 20 season career, and NEW left him on the board to throw away a pick instead?

NEW pulled a scummy move and this is the result. They were never going to gain anything from it, but they thought they could scare Samee into giving them something and making him look like a fool. If it was a member they respected, they wouldn't have done it. It's just massive disrespect to another GM who's gotten enough shit in 10 seasons.

Agreed.

ToeDragon84 · 05-08-2018, 03:45 AM

Quote:Originally posted by Symmetrik@May 7 2018, 11:11 PM

It doesn't matter who went after him.

There were 20 picks ahead of TDW, and 5 solid busts. Flower, Brennan Kennedy, Alex Reed, Waters, Eichele, even Selich.

It doesn't change that if he was a free prospect he would have gone 1st round, as a great recreate, but he didn't because GMs respected him.

From what I'm seeing we're actually comparing the biggest draft of the past 10 seasons with the smallest. So you could see how it'd be easier for a GM to fall in that year than this one right?

Walrus had players selected after him who were earning more TPE than he had at the draft, Samee was the best earner for NEW at their pick. May have ended up being the best player in the 2nd round, or even the whole draft who knows, Samee's goal was to build someone better than his last guy.

I think you are confusing respect for teams just wanting other players. Walrus was taken 23rd, and is 23rd in TPE for the class. Samee would have gone at whatever Seattle 20 pick and been like top 5 at the worst I imagine.

SethTrollins · 05-08-2018, 04:06 AM

ztevans · 05-08-2018, 05:23 AM

Quote:Originally posted by Torbvo@May 8 2018, 02:30 AM

How would a 2nd for 2nd trade make someone look like a fool? You're trying really hard at a narrative here, but I just don't see it.

Because it would literally be giving up an asset he doesn't have to give up for a player he doesn't have to give you. It's not a narrative, it's just playing his cards as a GM in the situation he was in. Samee would have been foolish to make this so-called fair trade. If anything, I think you're failing to see it from his perspective. Like, take the "strong-arming the GMs" narrative out of the other side and provide one good reason why he should trade for Elias instead of just recreating and trying again next season.

Seriously, I'm just asking anyone to take the moral obligation to "draft your player with your first available pick" or "have the decency to let Samee draft himself in the second round" on either side out. Explain to me, anyone, literally anyone, what New England or any other team would have gotten out of this other than a laugh?

Wasty · 05-08-2018, 05:29 AM

Quote:Originally posted by Symmetrik@May 7 2018, 11:26 PM

They lost a high 2nd round pick that they acquired in a big trade, for nothing. NEW loses a lot more than Samee. Samee can just make another player and hit the same TPE level easily. He doesn't lose anything. All he has is wasted time. He can get it back pretty easily this season, if not with more. NEW lost a hell of a lot more leaving players like Savage, Tutankhamun, and Dimmadome on the board, for nothing. Elyk just came off a 20 season career, and NEW left him on the board to throw away a pick instead?

NEW pulled a scummy move and this is the result. They were never going to gain anything from it, but they thought they could scare Samee into giving them something and making him look like a fool. If it was a member they respected, they wouldn't have done it. It's just massive disrespect to another GM who's gotten enough shit in 10 seasons.

The scummy move is not select your own player when you have the chance, get greedy and overreact when another team does nothing wrong. You're trying to spin in this into some shady move by NEW and it's not. Samee KNEW the rules going in and disobeyed them TWICE, WHO CARES if NEW wasted a 2nd, they pretty much knew that from the start, not on your ass to call them scummy when it could've happened to anyone. Bottas told Samee that we might the do the same thing to him, would you call us scummy?

Who cares what you thought about the potential left on the table when NEW selected Elias it's not on you to tell a team what to do with their picks, Samee KNEW he needed to draft his player and wasn't held to the Co-GM rule. Stop putting the onus on NEW and trying to wreck their "reputation" for doing whatever they wanted to do with their fucking draft pick. Samee thought just because he's a half a season GM think he's deserves the respect other GMs do? no, that doesn't happen that way, you earn respect and I'm sorry I would've done the same damn thing.

Sometimes life lessons are hard to learn but it doesn't pay to be greedy and expect others to play your game.

You live and you learn, I can't think of a better life lesson to learn here. Don't expect people to bow down to you when you haven't done enough to make them bow.

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Baelor Swift · 05-08-2018, 05:37 AM

Quote:Originally posted by Wasty@May 8 2018, 04:29 AM

The scummy move is not select your own player when you have the chance, get greedy and overreact when another team does nothing wrong. You're trying to spin in this into some shady move by NEW and it's not. Samee KNEW the rules going in and disobeyed them TWICE, WHO CARES if NEW wasted a 2nd, they pretty much knew that from the start, not on your ass to call them scummy when it could've happened to anyone. Bottas told Samee that we might the do the same thing to him, would you call us scummy?

Who cares what you thought about the potential left on the table when NEW selected Elias it's not on you to tell a team what to do with their picks, Samee KNEW he needed to draft his player and wasn't held to the Co-GM rule. Stop putting the onus on NEW and trying to wreck their "reputation" for doing whatever they wanted to do with their fucking draft pick. Samee thought just because he's a half a season GM think he's deserves the respect other GMs do? no, that doesn't happen that way, you earn respect and I'm sorry I would've done the same damn thing.

Sometimes life lessons are hard to learn but it doesn't pay to be greedy and expect others to play your game.

You live and you learn, I can't think of a better life lesson to learn here. Don't expect people to bow down to you when you haven't done enough to make them bow.

It's most definitely within anyone's right to say NEW made a horrible decision in taking samee there and I would agree with that.

ztevans · 05-08-2018, 05:39 AM

Quote:Originally posted by Wasty@May 8 2018, 04:29 AM

The scummy move is not select your own player when you have the chance, get greedy and overreact when another team does nothing wrong. You're trying to spin in this into some shady move by NEW and it's not. Samee KNEW the rules going in and disobeyed them TWICE, WHO CARES if NEW wasted a 2nd, they pretty much knew that from the start, not on your ass to call them scummy when it could've happened to anyone. Bottas told Samee that we might the do the same thing to him, would you call us scummy?

Who cares what you thought about the potential left on the table when NEW selected Elias it's not on you to tell a team what to do with their picks, Samee KNEW he needed to draft his player and wasn't held to the Co-GM rule. Stop putting the onus on NEW and trying to wreck their "reputation" for doing whatever they wanted to do with their fucking draft pick. Samee thought just because he's a half a season GM think he's deserves the respect other GMs do? no, that doesn't happen that way, you earn respect and I'm sorry I would've done the same damn thing.

Sometimes life lessons are hard to learn but it doesn't pay to be greedy and expect others to play your game.

You live and you learn, I can't think of a better life lesson to learn here. Don't expect people to bow down to you when you haven't done enough to make them bow.

I get this wasn't a reply to me, but I'm actually impressed that my request for a post that didn't take a stance on either team's morality was this ... thing. Life lessons? Seriously? Yes, I'm sure Samee will one day teach his kids the very valuable lesson Toivo taught him on the internet last night.

Give me a fucking break with this shit right here :lol:

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