To those that feel the need to bait those in saying listed banned terms or words that would deserve a punishment, realize that we will request the full conversation. If there is a determination that the user was baited, drawn into, or otherwise antagonized into violating a personal conduct rule, then you will be punished in the exact same manner

         Posting of additional vocabulary primarily used to slander various religions, ethnic groups, those with disabilities and sexual designations will leave you vulnerable to the same punishments as listed below on a retroactive basis from 9/14/18, going forward (meaning any word used that is deemed in violation will be added to the list and penalized immediately).

4. From this point forward, Discord, as an extension of the SHL itself being represented, will now be under the same scrutiny as the website, simulationhockey.com. While, there will be no need for LRs to have HO involved on a day-to-day basis, as cases are presented they will be reviewed and determined as punishable (or not) at the discretion of the HO.

I would like to preface my comments by saying for the record, I am not someone that courts trouble on this site or any other. I do not tend to use inappropriate language on the boards and rarely, if ever, get into fights or even disagreements around here. I am virtually certain none of this will ever effect me directly. This is about principle and fairness.

While I don’t have an issue with much of this, the above three aspects are troubling.

People are going to have disagreements on the site. They will say mean and hurtful things to one another, on occasion. Who’s to say what constitutes baiting or drawing in. People are responsible for their own words and actions. To blame one party for another’s use of a banned word is nonsensical. Allow people to be responsible for their own actions and not hide behind claims of provocation and inducements.

This second bit is truly outrageous and dictatorial. You are granting yourself the power to retroactively add words to the banned list and punish people for using them before a ruling is ever issued on their acceptability!? This should not be surprising from the same HO that punished c for doing something you felt should be illegal even though it clearly was not. The ex-post facto precedent was set then and apparently is thriving under this regime. It is frankly disturbing and ridiculous that anyone feels they can just change rules after the fact and punish indiscriminately whatever behavior they feel like.

The Discord thing is also egregious. How far does this power extend. If I e-mail someone privately, does the league have the power to punish me for what I wrote? If I meet someone in real life and call them hateful names, can I be banned for this? If I PM someone on Discord in a private conversation, you feel you have the right to punish me? What if it is on discord but completely unrelated to the SHL, like a wrestling or gaming area, or whatever else? How far does your reach extend?

I understand the HO is trying to sanitize the league and create a safe space here. I am not trying to cast doubt as to your motivations. However, I find it deeply disturbing how easily this HO slips into abuses of power and despotic tendencies. The answer always seems to be making up new rules to justify the results you want and then applying them to past behavior. It is keeping in step with the recent decision to take over the GM hiring process. Freedom in the SHL has been dying a slow and painful death for years now. You can not justify anything at all by merely claiming it is in the service of a kinder, gentler SHL.

I think my thought process can be summed up in what I recently sent @“wumaduce” :
We don’t have an age restriction and with that being the case we merely educate those that may never be on a path of bigotry and hatefulness that it is okay.

In saying that Discord is a public domain and is representative of the league as a whole hence it being an extension of the SHL. We use team names, logos, player names... all of it league related.

As for the retroactive... go to the SHL discord. There is already a handful of people trying to think of terminology that still tries to find a loophole of what you can and cannot say. If you can’t stop yourself from being an asshat then you will face the scrutiny of facing a penalty retro actively. Why does one need to be a bigot to offend someone? We both know damn well we’re arent going to punish someone for calling them an asshole... or a fuck nugget. In 2018, we shouldn’t need to have this... it is common sense. I know many that do this stupid shit know exactly what they are doing. They will always push the envelope. Why? Who knows.

Why are these threads left open for discussion?

Why not have one thread for suspensions. It's locked. And HO replies to it when a suspension occurs?

Because debate is important. Attempts to stifle dissent would just be further dictatorial behavior from a HO that has always shown an inclination towards it.

Why are these threads left open for discussion?

Why not have one thread for suspensions. It's locked. And HO replies to it when a suspension occurs?

Because debate is important. Attempts to stifle dissent would just be further dictatorial behavior from a HO that has always shown an inclination towards it.

Except I reached out to not only many other leagues, but also many other users on the site before finalizing my own opinion and drafting something that I feel will minimize the unneeded trash that many continue to look down on the SHL for. While you keep referencing what the HO has always done, TDZ, JKor and myself haven’t been on HO for this “forever” time period you are referring to.

Just dropping by.

While I am strongly against the use of slurs and being an asshole just for the sake of it, I do agree with Slappy and others in that these rules might go a bit too far. It's good that we as a league want to do more against hate speech and that certain kinds of behaviour are clearly gonna be marked as unacceptable from now on but wow... this is quite far-reaching while also leaving a lot of room for interpretation that could lend itself to misuses of power and overreach in the future. I don't doubt that the people behind this rule change have the best intentions but I'm not sure if methods as drastic as this are necessary - especially because I think the league has actually improved a lot in this regard over the last few years!

In the recent Thunderdome, people in the thread were almost unanimously against the use of slurs with just a small handful of users defending their use. Now I remember having the exact same discussions just a few years ago and back then, percentages were waaaaaaaaay different. A lot more people were defending the use of slurs and personal attacks back then, it actually felt like it was the majority of users and even if it was just a minority, it sure was a very loud and confident one. I know this is only a small comfort at best for the members who are affected by these slurs right now, but we have already made massive progress in recent years and attitudes have already changed significantly. I think we should continue on this steady route of progress and gradual changing of attitudes and not risk creating massive pushback with drastic rule changes that might be seen as overreach even by people who are totally against the use of slurs and hate speech.

Evan Winter
Edmonton Blizzard
Player Page - Update Page

To those that feel the need to bait those in saying listed banned terms or words that would deserve a punishment, realize that we will request the full conversation. If there is a determination that the user was baited, drawn into, or otherwise antagonized into violating a personal conduct rule, then you will be punished in the exact same manner

         Posting of additional vocabulary primarily used to slander various religions, ethnic groups, those with disabilities and sexual designations will leave you vulnerable to the same punishments as listed below on a retroactive basis from 9/14/18, going forward (meaning any word used that is deemed in violation will be added to the list and penalized immediately).

4. From this point forward, Discord, as an extension of the SHL itself being represented, will now be under the same scrutiny as the website, simulationhockey.com. While, there will be no need for LRs to have HO involved on a day-to-day basis, as cases are presented they will be reviewed and determined as punishable (or not) at the discretion of the HO.

I would like to preface my comments by saying for the record, I am not someone that courts trouble on this site or any other. I do not tend to use inappropriate language on the boards and rarely, if ever, get into fights or even disagreements around here. I am virtually certain none of this will ever effect me directly. This is about principle and fairness.

While I don’t have an issue with much of this, the above three aspects are troubling.

People are going to have disagreements on the site. They will say mean and hurtful things to one another, on occasion. Who’s to say what constitutes baiting or drawing in. People are responsible for their own words and actions. To blame one party for another’s use of a banned word is nonsensical. Allow people to be responsible for their own actions and not hide behind claims of provocation and inducements.

This second bit is truly outrageous and dictatorial. You are granting yourself the power to retroactively add words to the banned list and punish people for using them before a ruling is ever issued on their acceptability!? This should not be surprising from the same HO that punished c for doing something you felt should be illegal even though it clearly was not. The ex-post facto precedent was set then and apparently is thriving under this regime. It is frankly disturbing and ridiculous that anyone feels they can just change rules after the fact and punish indiscriminately whatever behavior they feel like.

The Discord thing is also egregious. How far does this power extend. If I e-mail someone privately, does the league have the power to punish me for what I wrote? If I meet someone in real life and call them hateful names, can I be banned for this? If I PM someone on Discord in a private conversation, you feel you have the right to punish me? What if it is on discord but completely unrelated to the SHL, like a wrestling or gaming area, or whatever else? How far does your reach extend?

I understand the HO is trying to sanitize the league and create a safe space here. I am not trying to cast doubt as to your motivations. However, I find it deeply disturbing how easily this HO slips into abuses of power and despotic tendencies. The answer always seems to be making up new rules to justify the results you want and then applying them to past behavior. It is keeping in step with the recent decision to take over the GM hiring process. Freedom in the SHL has been dying a slow and painful death for years now. You can not justify anything at all by merely claiming it is in the service of a kinder, gentler SHL.

I think my thought process can be summed up in what I recently sent @“wumaduce” :
We don’t have an age restriction and with that being the case we merely educate those that may never be on a path of bigotry and hatefulness that it is okay.

In saying that Discord is a public domain and is representative of the league as a whole hence it being an extension of the SHL.  We use team names, logos, player names... all of it league related.

As for the retroactive... go to the SHL discord. There is already a handful of people trying to think of terminology that still tries to find a loophole of what you can and cannot say. If you can’t stop yourself from being an asshat then you will face the scrutiny of facing a penalty retro actively. Why does one need to be a bigot to offend someone? We both know damn well we’re arent going to punish someone for calling them an asshole... or a fuck nugget. In 2018, we shouldn’t need to have this... it is common sense. I know many that do this stupid shit know exactly what they are doing. They will always push the envelope. Why? Who knows.

I think they are just pointing the hole through the rule and are unhappy with how badly worded the rule is.

While I am strongly against the use of slurs and being an asshole just for the sake of it, I do agree with Slappy and others in that these rules might go a bit too far. It's good that we as a league want to do more against hate speech and that certain kinds of behaviour are clearly gonna be marked as unacceptable from now on but wow... this is quite far-reaching while also leaving a lot of room for interpretation that could lend itself to misuses of power and overreach in the future. I don't doubt that the people behind this rule change have the best intentions but I'm not sure if methods as drastic as this are necessary - especially because I think the league has actually improved a lot in this regard over the last few years!

In the recent Thunderdome, people in the thread were almost unanimously against the use of slurs with just a small handful of users defending their use. Now I remember having the exact same discussions just a few years ago and back then, percentages were waaaaaaaaay different. A lot more people were defending the use of slurs and personal attacks back then, it actually felt like it was the majority of users and even if it was just a minority, it sure was a very loud and confident one. I know this is only a small comfort at best for the members who are affected by these slurs right now, but we have already made massive progress in recent years and attitudes have already changed significantly. I think we should continue on this steady route of progress and gradual changing of attitudes and not risk creating massive pushback with drastic rule changes that might be seen as overreach even by people who are totally against the use of slurs and hate speech.

Gotta agree with RED here. The new rules are definitely well-intentioned, and something along those lines should definitely be implemented, but this is a touch too far imo.

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To those that feel the need to bait those in saying listed banned terms or words that would deserve a punishment, realize that we will request the full conversation. If there is a determination that the user was baited, drawn into, or otherwise antagonized into violating a personal conduct rule, then you will be punished in the exact same manner

         Posting of additional vocabulary primarily used to slander various religions, ethnic groups, those with disabilities and sexual designations will leave you vulnerable to the same punishments as listed below on a retroactive basis from 9/14/18, going forward (meaning any word used that is deemed in violation will be added to the list and penalized immediately).

4. From this point forward, Discord, as an extension of the SHL itself being represented, will now be under the same scrutiny as the website, simulationhockey.com. While, there will be no need for LRs to have HO involved on a day-to-day basis, as cases are presented they will be reviewed and determined as punishable (or not) at the discretion of the HO.

I would like to preface my comments by saying for the record, I am not someone that courts trouble on this site or any other. I do not tend to use inappropriate language on the boards and rarely, if ever, get into fights or even disagreements around here. I am virtually certain none of this will ever effect me directly. This is about principle and fairness.

While I don’t have an issue with much of this, the above three aspects are troubling.

People are going to have disagreements on the site. They will say mean and hurtful things to one another, on occasion. Who’s to say what constitutes baiting or drawing in. People are responsible for their own words and actions. To blame one party for another’s use of a banned word is nonsensical. Allow people to be responsible for their own actions and not hide behind claims of provocation and inducements.

This second bit is truly outrageous and dictatorial. You are granting yourself the power to retroactively add words to the banned list and punish people for using them before a ruling is ever issued on their acceptability!? This should not be surprising from the same HO that punished c for doing something you felt should be illegal even though it clearly was not. The ex-post facto precedent was set then and apparently is thriving under this regime. It is frankly disturbing and ridiculous that anyone feels they can just change rules after the fact and punish indiscriminately whatever behavior they feel like.

The Discord thing is also egregious. How far does this power extend. If I e-mail someone privately, does the league have the power to punish me for what I wrote? If I meet someone in real life and call them hateful names, can I be banned for this? If I PM someone on Discord in a private conversation, you feel you have the right to punish me? What if it is on discord but completely unrelated to the SHL, like a wrestling or gaming area, or whatever else? How far does your reach extend?

I understand the HO is trying to sanitize the league and create a safe space here. I am not trying to cast doubt as to your motivations. However, I find it deeply disturbing how easily this HO slips into abuses of power and despotic tendencies. The answer always seems to be making up new rules to justify the results you want and then applying them to past behavior. It is keeping in step with the recent decision to take over the GM hiring process. Freedom in the SHL has been dying a slow and painful death for years now. You can not justify anything at all by merely claiming it is in the service of a kinder, gentler SHL.

I think my thought process can be summed up in what I recently sent @“wumaduce” :
We don’t have an age restriction and with that being the case we merely educate those that may never be on a path of bigotry and hatefulness that it is okay.

In saying that Discord is a public domain and is representative of the league as a whole hence it being an extension of the SHL.  We use team names, logos, player names... all of it league related.

As for the retroactive... go to the SHL discord. There is already a handful of people trying to think of terminology that still tries to find a loophole of what you can and cannot say. If you can’t stop yourself from being an asshat then you will face the scrutiny of facing a penalty retro actively. Why does one need to be a bigot to offend someone? We both know damn well we’re arent going to punish someone for calling them an asshole... or a fuck nugget. In 2018, we shouldn’t need to have this... it is common sense. I know many that do this stupid shit know exactly what they are doing. They will always push the envelope. Why? Who knows.

I think they are just pointing the hole through the rule and are unhappy with how badly worded the rule is.

But why? In fear of being suspended for being a bigot? Just don’t be one and there will be nothing to worry about.

To those that feel the need to bait those in saying listed banned terms or words that would deserve a punishment, realize that we will request the full conversation. If there is a determination that the user was baited, drawn into, or otherwise antagonized into violating a personal conduct rule, then you will be punished in the exact same manner

         Posting of additional vocabulary primarily used to slander various religions, ethnic groups, those with disabilities and sexual designations will leave you vulnerable to the same punishments as listed below on a retroactive basis from 9/14/18, going forward (meaning any word used that is deemed in violation will be added to the list and penalized immediately).

4. From this point forward, Discord, as an extension of the SHL itself being represented, will now be under the same scrutiny as the website, simulationhockey.com. While, there will be no need for LRs to have HO involved on a day-to-day basis, as cases are presented they will be reviewed and determined as punishable (or not) at the discretion of the HO.

I would like to preface my comments by saying for the record, I am not someone that courts trouble on this site or any other. I do not tend to use inappropriate language on the boards and rarely, if ever, get into fights or even disagreements around here. I am virtually certain none of this will ever effect me directly. This is about principle and fairness.

While I don’t have an issue with much of this, the above three aspects are troubling.

People are going to have disagreements on the site. They will say mean and hurtful things to one another, on occasion. Who’s to say what constitutes baiting or drawing in. People are responsible for their own words and actions. To blame one party for another’s use of a banned word is nonsensical. Allow people to be responsible for their own actions and not hide behind claims of provocation and inducements.

This second bit is truly outrageous and dictatorial. You are granting yourself the power to retroactively add words to the banned list and punish people for using them before a ruling is ever issued on their acceptability!? This should not be surprising from the same HO that punished c for doing something you felt should be illegal even though it clearly was not. The ex-post facto precedent was set then and apparently is thriving under this regime. It is frankly disturbing and ridiculous that anyone feels they can just change rules after the fact and punish indiscriminately whatever behavior they feel like.

The Discord thing is also egregious. How far does this power extend. If I e-mail someone privately, does the league have the power to punish me for what I wrote? If I meet someone in real life and call them hateful names, can I be banned for this? If I PM someone on Discord in a private conversation, you feel you have the right to punish me? What if it is on discord but completely unrelated to the SHL, like a wrestling or gaming area, or whatever else? How far does your reach extend?

I understand the HO is trying to sanitize the league and create a safe space here. I am not trying to cast doubt as to your motivations. However, I find it deeply disturbing how easily this HO slips into abuses of power and despotic tendencies. The answer always seems to be making up new rules to justify the results you want and then applying them to past behavior. It is keeping in step with the recent decision to take over the GM hiring process. Freedom in the SHL has been dying a slow and painful death for years now. You can not justify anything at all by merely claiming it is in the service of a kinder, gentler SHL.

I think my thought process can be summed up in what I recently sent @“wumaduce” :
We don’t have an age restriction and with that being the case we merely educate those that may never be on a path of bigotry and hatefulness that it is okay.

In saying that Discord is a public domain and is representative of the league as a whole hence it being an extension of the SHL.  We use team names, logos, player names... all of it league related.

As for the retroactive... go to the SHL discord. There is already a handful of people trying to think of terminology that still tries to find a loophole of what you can and cannot say. If you can’t stop yourself from being an asshat then you will face the scrutiny of facing a penalty retro actively. Why does one need to be a bigot to offend someone? We both know damn well we’re arent going to punish someone for calling them an asshole... or a fuck nugget. In 2018, we shouldn’t need to have this... it is common sense. I know many that do this stupid shit know exactly what they are doing. They will always push the envelope. Why? Who knows.

I think they are just pointing the hole through the rule and are unhappy with how badly worded the rule is.

But why? In fear of being suspended for being a bigot? Just don’t be one and there will be nothing to worry about.

no They are just wanting to know to what extend is this rule. Is posting rap videos going to be an issue or is having someone with the last name gay going to be issues. I know the intent of the rule is not to use slurs at all or what if there are two black guys calling each other the n word would they get banned too? You need to be more literal when you are making rules or people are going to question them. Just like the Marius Rule where again the intent of the rule is that you need to include you capped tpe in every post but why doesn't it clearly say that in the rule?

Jesus. Well I guess this is one way to retard the use of no-no words.

Jack Tanner (D) - [Player Page] [Player Updates]


Jack Tanner -- Offensive Defenseman -- MTL & SF -- 1250 TPE
5'11", 210lbs, #37
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SMJHL Career Statistics
S36 -- 50 GP | 21:01 TOI/G | 8 G 19 A | 86 SOG | 0-0-2 Fights | 28 PIM
S37 -- 50 GP | 21:10 TOI/G | 7 G 28 A | 111 SOG | 0-0-2 Fights | 36 PIM
S38 -- 50 GP | 19:10 TOI/G | 19 G 20 A | 160 SOG | 0-0-1 Fights | 25 PIM
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SMJHL Playoff Statistics
S37 -- 17 GP | 21:45 TOI/G | 4 G 10 A | 36 SOG | 0-0-1 Fights | 9 PIM | GWG G3 v Halifax
S38 -- 13 GP | 19:48 TOI/G | 6 G 6 A | 58 SOG | 0-1-0 Fights| 9 PIM | Hat Trick & GWG G3 v PGF, GTG G6 v PGF
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SHL Career Statistics
S39 -- 50 GP | 22:44 TOI/G | 9 G 22 A | 77 SOG | No Fights | 4 PIM
S40 -- 50 GP | 24:01 TOI/G | 7 G 24 A | 88 SOG | 0-0-1 Fights | 9 PIM
S41 -- 50 GP | 24:31 TOI/G | 16 G 30 A | 135 SOG | 0-0-6 Fights | 34 PIM
S42 -- 50 GP | 24:24 TOI/G | 8 G 30 A | 111 SOG | 2-1-3 Fights | 30 PIM
S43 -- 50 GP | 25:24 TOI/G | 17 G 31 A | 154 SOG | 301 iCF | 1-0-1 Fights | 24 PIM
S44 -- 50 GP | 21:59 TOI/G | 12 G 22 A | 111 SOG | 229 iCF | 2-0-1 Fights | 53 PIM
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SHL Playoff Statistics
N/A
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IIHF Career Statistics
S36 -- 11 GP | 5:33 TOI/G | 0G 1A | 0 SOG | 0 PIM
S37 -- 13 GP | 14:49 TOI/G | 1G 1A | 5 SOG | 0 PIM
S38 -- 10 GP | 13:57 TOI/G | 0G 1A | 7 SOG | 0 PIM
S38 WJC -- 7 GP | 22:26 TOI/G | 1G 2A | 11 SOG | 0 PIM
S39 -- 13 GP | 16:58 TOI/G | 2G 5A | 16 SOG | 2 PIM
S40 -- 11 GP | 21:54 TOI/G | 4G 7A | 21 SOG | 2 PIM
S41 --  13 GP | 22:05 TOI/G | 3G 5A | 24 SOG | 2 PIM
S42 -- 13 GP | 23:14 TOI/G | 1G 12A | 27 SOG | 53 iCF | 0 PIM | GWG in Final v Canada ~Gold Medal~
S43 -- 13 GP | 23:23 TOI/G | 4G 2A | 27 SOG | 53 iCF | 2 PIM ~Gold Medal~
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Notes:
Drafted #6 Overall in S36 SMJHL Draft (MTL)
S36: RIGHTFUL Esa Anrikkanen Winner
Drafted #2 Overall in S37 SHL Draft (POR)
S38: Hat Trick G3 vs Prince George
S39: Led rookies in scoring
S39: All-Rookie Team (only unanimous)
S42: 1st Star & GWG in IIHF Final
S42: Gold Medal with Team Ireland
S43: Gold Medal with Team Ireland
S44: Gold Medal with Team Ireland
S45: Gordie Howe Hat Trick vs Manhattan Rage: Game 177 - 2 goals, 1 assist, and beat up Clint Eastwood.
5/18 career PS%




One sig is tweed's and the other was a karlssens/Copenhagen collab

AC | Bank | Claims

Jesus. Well I guess this is one way to r****d the use of no-no words.

suspended.

Grimmjow Jaegerjaquez | RW | NL / BUF
Name: グリムジョー・ジャガージャック
From:  HUECO MUNDO
Height: 6'1"
Weight: 176 lbs

| HISTORY |

SMJHL Draft: S68, 33rd Overall, Newfoundland Berserkers
SHL Draft: S69(nice), 18th Overall, Buffalo Stampede


ディシスド  デウーディー | Defenseman | CHI
Name: Disisde Dayudie / ディシスド  デウーディー
From: Matsumoto, Japan
Height: 6'3"
Weight: 209 lbs

| REGULAR SEASON |

S49 | LET | GP: 50 | G: 7  | A: 19  | P: 26 | +/-: -8 | PIM: 32 | HITS: 48 | SB: 59 | ATOI: 21.70
S50 | LET | GP: 50 | G: 12 | A: 19 | P: 31 | +/-: -4 | PIM: 6 | HITS: 34 | SB: 49 | ATOI: 21.63
S51 | LET | GP: 50 | G: 13 | A: 24 | P: 37 | +/-: +1 | PIM: 28 | HITS: 43 | SB: 49 | ATOI: 22.56
S52 |  NL | GP: 50 | G: 12 | A: 27 | P: 39 | +/-: -16 | PIM: 12 | HITS: 44 | SB: 45 | ATOI: 22.94
S53 | LAP | GP: 50 | G: 3 | A: 14 | P: 17 | +/-: 16 | PIM: 10 | HITS: 54 | SB: 28 | ATOI: 16.58
S54 | LAP | GP: 50 | G: 6 | A: 11 | P: 17 | +/-: 22 | PIM: 26 | HITS: 39 | SB: 54 | ATOI: 17.49
S55 | LAP | GP: 50 | G: 4 | A: 18 | P: 22 | +/-: -1 | PIM: 20 | HITS: 55 | SB: 87 | ATOI: 20.43
S56 | CHI | GP: 50 | G: 5 | A: 24 | P: 29 | +/-: 28 | PIM: 16 | HITS: 56 | SB: 95 | ATOI: 19.59
S57 | CHI | GP: 66 | G: 10 | A: 39 | P: 49 | +/-: 52 | PIM: 18 | HITS: 78 | SB: 106 | ATOI: 19.56
S58 | CHI | GP: 66 | G: 7 | A: 31 | P: 36 | +/-: 36 | PIM: 14 | HITS: 107 | SB: 92 | ATOI: 19.48
S59 | CHI | GP: 66 | G: 15 | A: 34 | P: 49 | +/-: 73 | PIM: 16 | HITS: 152 | SB: 115 | ATOI: 20:52
S60 | CHI | GP: 66 | G: 14 | A: 25 | P: 39 | +/-: 27 | PIM: 10 | HITS: 72 | SB: 93 | ATOI: 20:37
S61 | CHI | GP: 66 | G: 8 | A: 26 | P: 34 | +/-: 39 | PIM: 16 | HITS: 90 | SB: 89 | ATOI: 20:49
S62 | CHI | GP: 66 | G: 14 | A: 40 | P: 54 | +/-: 69 | PIM: 16 | HITS: 110 | SB: 52 | ATOI: 20:25
S63 | CHI | GP: 66 | G: 5 | A: 24 | P: 29 | +/-: 36 | PIM: 16 | HITS: 99 | SB: 69 | ATOI: 20:06
S64 | CHI | GP: 66 | G: 6 | A: 19 | P: 25 | +/-: 39 | PIM: 16 | HITS: 108 | SB: 112 | ATOI: 20:13
S65 | CHI | GP: 66 | G: 9 | A: 23 | P: 32 | +/-: 43 | PIM: 22 | HITS: 103 | SB: 115 | ATOI: 20:10

|  PLAYOFFS |

S49 | LET | GP: 11 | G: 2 | A: 7 | P: 9 | +/-: +1 | PIM: 10 | HITS: 7 | SB: 9 | ATOI: 20.98
S50 | LET | GP: 5  | G: 1 | A: 2 | P: 3 | +/-: -4 | PIM: 6 | HITS: 3 | SB: 5 | ATOI: 21.52
S51 | LET | GP: 6  | G: 1 | A: 3 | P: 4 | +/-: 3 | PIM: 4 | HITS: 7 | SB: 11 | ATOI: 24.23
S52 |  NL | GP: 10  | G: 1 | A: 8 | P: 9 | +/-: 0 | PIM: 16 | HITS: 8 | SB: 9 | ATOI: 23.19
S53 | LAP | GP: 11  | G: 2 | A: 3 | P: 5 | +/-: 5 | PIM: 2 | HITS: 17 | SB: 9 | ATOI: 19:47
S54 | LAP | GP: 12  | G: 0 | A: 2 | P: 2 | +/-: -4 | PIM: 6 | HITS: 10 | SB: 10 | ATOI: 18:29
S55 | LAP | MISSED
S56 | CHI | GP: 16  | G: 3 | A: 7 | P: 10 | +/-: 5 | PIM: 2 | HITS: 21 | SB: 33 | ATOI: 21:27
S57 | CHI | GP: 24  | G: 4 | A: 5 | P: 9 | +/-: 7 | PIM: 7 | HITS: 29 | SB: 33 | ATOI: 21:38
S58 | CHI | MISSED
S59 | CHI | GP: 16  | G: 3 | A: 12 | P: 15 | +/-: 7 | PIM: 2 | HITS: 21 | SB: 26 | ATOI: 21:38
S60 | CHI | GP: 23   | G: 3 | A: 7 | P: 10 | +/-: 4 | PIM: 0 | HITS: 23 | SB: 44 | ATOI: 21:11
S61 | CHI | GP: 11  | G: 0 | A: 5 | P: 5 | +/-: 6 | PIM: 0 | HITS: 19 | SB: 17 | ATOI: 20:52
S62 | CHI | GP: 10  | G: 2 | A: 5 | P: 7 | +/-: 4 | PIM: 2 | HITS: 8 | SB: 9 | ATOI: 20:26
S63 | CHI | GP: 14  | G: 1 | A: 7 | P: 8 | +/-: 16 | PIM: 0 | HITS: 13 | SB: 20 | ATOI: 21:15
S64 | CHI | GP: 22  | G: 4 | A: 7 | P: 11 | +/-: 14 | PIM: 2 | HITS: 36 | SB: 28 | ATOI: 21:42
S65 | CHI | GP: 17  | G: 1 | A: 8 | P: 9 | +/-: 10 | PIM: 2 | HITS: 25 | SB: 30 | ATOI: 20:28

| HISTORY |
SMJHL Draft: S49, 5th Overall, Lethbridge Lions
SHL Draft: S50, 7th Overall, Los Angeles Panthers
Traded to Chicago Syndicate S56
Challenge Cup Champion with Chicago Syndicate S57
Japan IIHF Gold Medalist S59
Bojo Biscuit Trophy Winner S59


Robert Andersson | Goaltender Supreme | MIN | Retired HoF Scrub
Name: Robert Andersson
From: Skellefteå, Sweden
Height: 6'5"
Weight: 211 lbs

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Robert Andersson | Goaltender Supreme | MIN | Retired HoF Scrub
Name: Robert Andersson
From: Skellefteå, Sweden
Height: 6'5"
Weight: 211 lbs

| Regular Season Statistics |

S25 | MTL | GP: 16 | W:  8  | L:  5  | OTL: 2 | GA:  40 | SA: 338 | SV%: 88.2 | GAA: 2.65 | SO: 0
S26 | MTL | GP: 43 | W: 28 | L: 11 | OTL: 4 | GA: 114 | SA: 913 | SV%: 87.5 | GAA: 2.69 | SO: 1
S27 | MIN | GP: 44 | W: 21 | L: 19 | OTL: 4 | GA: 123 | SA: 1304 | SV%: 90.6 | GAA: 2.75 | SO: 3
S28 | MIN | GP: 44 | W: 18 | L: 21 | OTL: 5 | GA: 135 | SA: 1331 | SV%: 89.9 | GAA: 3.03 | SO: 1
S29 | MIN | GP: 44 | W: 31 | L: 13 | OTL: 0 | GA: 105 | SA: 1260 | SV%: 91.7 | GAA: 2.37 | SO: 0
S30 | MIN | GP: 43 | W: 29 | L: 13 | OTL: 1 | GA: 117 | SA: 1249 | SV%: 90.6 | GAA: 2.70 | SO: 4
S31 | MIN | GP: 44 | W: 26 | L: 17 | OTL: 1 | GA: 121 | SA: 1360 | SV%: 91.1 | GAA: 2.73 | SO: 3
S32 | MIN | GP: 44 | W: 22 | L: 19 | OTL: 3 | GA: 100 | SA: 1338 | SV%: 92.5 | GAA: 2.26 | SO: 4
S33 | MIN | GP: 44 | W: 19 | L: 22 | OTL: 3 | GA: 118 | SA: 1408 | SV%: 91.6 | GAA: 2.66 | SO: 2
S34 | MIN | GP: 44 | W: 24 | L: 15 | OTL: 5 | GA: 133 | SA: 1467 | SV%: 90.9 | GAA: 2.98 | SO: 2
S35 | MIN | GP: 44 | W: 20 | L: 21 | OTL: 3 | GA: 134 | SA: 1428 | SV%: 90.6 | GAA: 3.02 | SO: 2
S36 | MIN | GP: 45 | W: 26 | L: 12 | OTL: 7 | GA: 109 | SA: 1324 | SV%: 91.8 | GAA: 2.39 | SO: 4
S37 | MIN | GP: 42 | W: 23 | L: 14 | OTL: 5 | GA: 103 | SA: 1220 | SV%: 91.6 | GAA: 2.43 | SO: 5

| Playoff Statistics |

S26 | MTL | GP: 5 | W:1 | L:4 | OTL: 0 | GA: 10 | SA: 128 | SV%: 92.2 | GAA: 2.01 | SO: 1
S27 | MIN | GP: 5 | W: 1 | L: 3 | OTL: 1 | GA: 15 | SA: 138 | SV%: 89.1 | GAA: 2.96 | SO: 0
S28 | MIN | MISSED
S29 | MIN | GP: 4 | W: 0 | L: 2 | OTL: 2 | GA: 18 | SA: 169 | SV%: 89.3 | GAA: 3.66 | SO: 0
S30 | MIN | GP: 4 | W: 0 | L: 1 | OTL: 3 | GA: 16 | SA: 154 | SV%: 89.6 | GAA: 3.36 | SO: 0
S31 | MIN | GP: 5 | W: 1 | L: 3 | OTL: 1 | GA: 17 | SA: 159 | SV%: 89.3 | GAA: 3.41 | SO: 0
S32 | MIN | GP: 7 | W: 3 | L: 4 | OTL: 0 | GA: 22 | SA: 274 | SV%: 92.0 | GAA: 2.83 | SO: 0
S33 | MIN | MISSED
S34 | MIN | GP: 4 | W: 0 | L: 4 | OTL: 0 | GA: 18 | SA: 156 | SV%: 88.5 | GAA: 4.51 | SO: 0
S35 | MIN | MISSED
S36 | MIN | GP: 13 | W: 6 | L: 6 | OTL: 1 | GA: 42 | SA: 419 | SV%: 90.0 | GAA: 2.94 | SO: 0

| HISTORY |

SMJHL Draft: S25, 28th Overall, Montreal Impact
SHL Draft: S26, 18th Overall, Minnesota Chiefs
1x McBride Winner, 5x McBride Nominee(most in league history)
2x IIHF Gold Medalist, 1x IIHF Silver Medalist
Most Games, Most Wins in Minnesota Chiefs History.

| AWARDS / NOMINATIONS |

S27 Nominee: John McBride Trophy
S27 Winner: Ryan Jesster Trophy
S27 IIHF Silver Medalist
S28 IIHF Gold Medalist
S29 Nominee: John McBride Trophy
S29 Winner: Aidan Richan Trophy
S29 IIHF Gold Medalist
S31 IIHF Top Goalie
S32 Nominee: John McBride Trophy
S32 IIHF Top Goalie
S33 Nominee: John McBride Trophy
S36 Nominee: Ron Mexico Trophy
S36 Winner: John McBride
S37 Nominee: John McBride

| ALL-STAR TEAMS |

S27  All-Star Rookie Team (Enough votes for East All Star Team)
S29 3rd All-Star Team
S32 2nd All-Star Team
S33 1st All-Star Team
S36 1st All-Star Team
S37 3rd All-Star Team



Dick Skillstedt | Retired Right Winger | MIN
Name: Dick Skillstedt
From: Skellefteå, Sweden
Height: 6'3"
Weight: 235 lbs

| REGULAR SEASON |

S37 | VAN | GP: 50 | G: 8 | A: 9 | P: 17 | +/-: -3 | PIM: 51 | Hits: 101 | SB: 4 | AMG: 20:05
S38 | VAN | GP: 50 | G: 11 | A: 20 | P: 31 | +/-: 11 | PIM: 64 | Hits: 120 | SB: 5 | AMG: 18:76
S39 | MIN | GP: 50 | G: 0 | A: 1 | P: 1 | +/-: -1 | PIM: 0 | Hits: 8 | SB: 1 | AMG: 4:03
S40 | MIN | GP: 50 | G: 10 | A: 5 | P: 15 | +/-: -13 | PIM: 47 | Hits: 102 | SB: 4 | AMG: 16:11
S41 | MIN | GP: 50 | G: 13 | A: 11 | P: 24 | +/-: 3 | PIM: 42 | Hits: 31 | SB: 4 | AMG: 18:88
S42 | MIN | GP: 50 | G: 15 | A: 17 | P: 32 | +/-: -11 | PIM: 55 | Hits: 94 | SB: 9 | AMG: 20:15
S43 | HAM | GP: 50 | G: 15 | A: 18 | P: 33 | +/-: 15 | PIM: 80 | Hits: 123 | SB: 8 | AMG: 19:12
S44 | HAM | GP: 50 | G: 9 | A: 23 | P: 32 | +/-: -5 | PIM: 67 | Hits: 129 | SB: 7 | AMG: 20:65
S45 | HAM/MIN | GP: 50 | G: 19 | A: 21 | P: 40 | +/-: -5 | PIM: 46 | Hits: 146 | SB: 20 | AMG: 22:64
S46 | MIN | GP: 50 | G: 27 | A: 44 | P: 71 | +/-: 25 | PIM: 45 | Hits: 92 | SB: 18 | AMG: 25:01

While the words they are 'banning' are certainly ban/suspension worthy, why include the TD in this?  Furthermore, and probably a bigger a concern, is why are people bringing feelings into the TD?  If we're going to undermine the beauty and (really) necessity of the TD, then why does it even exist...

While I don't like the fact that we've had to go to such a clear cut blacklist (and it will backfire, because it'll mean a lot more work and thought required from HO almost immediately), I would point out that if you need any of those 4 words in the Thunderdome, you're not very good at it.

D | S62 | Merlin Metzler | Newfoundland | 199 TPE

|  SMJHL Career |

  SMJHL Regular Seasons
| S61 | (GP 00) (G 00) (A 00) (P 00) (+-0) (SHT 000) (SB 00) (P/20 0.00) |

| Movement and Contracts |

| S61 | Signed with Newfoundland Bezerkers, UFA


D | S31 | Alexis Metzler | Buffalo | Detroit | USA | 2,002 TPE [R]

Captain of the Buffalo Stampede, S38-S52
Alternate Captain of the Buffalo Stampede, S34-S37
Alternate Captain of the United States of America, S38-S46
1st Ballot Hall Of Fame, S54 Class

| SHL Career |

  SHL Regular Seasons
| S32 | (GP 50) (G 09) (A 22) (P 31) ( -08) (SHT 077) (SB 073) (P/20 0.56) |
| S33 | (GP 50) (G 03) (A 21) (P 24) ( -02) (SHT 086) (SB 063) (P/20 0.41) |
| S34 | (GP 50) (G 03) (A 21) (P 24) ( -13) (SHT 077) (SB 072) (P/20 0.40) |
| S35 | (GP 50) (G 11) (A 26) (P 37) ( -05) (SHT 086) (SB 071) (P/20 0.62) |
| S36 | (GP 50) (G 09) (A 17) (P 26) ( -14) (SHT 078) (SB 096) (P/20 0.40) |
| S37 | (GP 50) (G 10) (A 31) (P 41) ( -20) (SHT 079) (SB 067) (P/20 0.62) |
| S38 | (GP 50) (G 11) (A 31) (P 42) ( -12) (SHT 120) (SB 080) (P/20 0.69) |
| S39 | (GP 50) (G 10) (A 38) (P 48) (+01) (SHT 107) (SB 083) (P/20 0.80) |
| S40 | (GP 50) (G 08) (A 24) (P 32) ( -13) (SHT 098) (SB 066) (P/20 0.54) |
| S41 | (GP 50) (G 11) (A 30) (P 41) ( -10) (SHT 093) (SB 078) (P/20 0.67) |
| S42 | (GP 50) (G 12) (A 40) (P 52) (+16) (SHT 095) (SB 068) (P/20 0.85) |
| S43 | (GP 50) (G 10) (A 34) (P 44) (+01) (SHT 093) (SB 081) (P/20 0.74) |
| S44 | (GP 50) (G 09) (A 37) (P 46) (+00) (SHT 092) (SB 070) (P/20 0.76) |
| S45 | (GP 50) (G 04) (A 32) (P 36) (+03) (SHT 088) (SB 076) (P/20 0.61) |
| S46 | (GP 50) (G 10) (A 25) (P 35) (+13) (SHT 101) (SB 077) (P/20 0.58) |
| S47 | (GP 50) (G 11) (A 28) (P 39) (+15) (SHT 087) (SB 076) (P/20 0.65) |
| S48 | (GP 50) (G 05) (A 26) (P 31) (+06) (SHT 088) (SB 101) (P/20 0.52) |
| S49 | (GP 50) (G 03) (A 25) (P 28) (+03) (SHT 060) (SB 060) (P/20 0.47) |
| S50 | (GP 50) (G 03) (A 18) (P 21) (+02) (SHT 045) (SB 056) (P/20 0.40) |
| S51 | (GP 50) (G 01) (A 10) (P 11) (+07) (SHT 026) (SB 066) (P/20 0.28) |
| S52 | (GP 50) (G 01) (A 07) (P 08) (+07) (SHT 033) (SB 049) (P/20 0.23) |

  SHL Playoffs
| S32 | (DNQ) |
| S33 | (GP 05) (G 00) (A 04) (P 04) (+02) (SHT 012) (SB 010) (P/20 0.64) |
| S34 | (DNQ) |
| S35 | (GP 04) (G 00) (A 01) (P 01) (+00) (SHT 014) (SB 005) (P/20 0.21) |
| S36 | (GP 07) (G 02) (A 04) (P 06) (+02) (SHT 016) (SB 011) (P/20 0.57) |
| S37 | (GP 07) (G 00) (A 03) (P 03) (+00) (SHT 007) (SB 018) (P/20 0.31) |
| S38 | (DNQ) |
| S39 | (DNQ) |
| S40 | (DNQ) |
| S41 | (GP 07) (G 02) (A 04) (P 06) ( -04) (SHT 014) (SB 009) (P/20 0.72) |
| S42 | (GP 07) (G 01) (A 03) (P 04) ( -06) (SHT 009) (SB 009) (P/20 0.64) |
| S43 | (GP 09) (G 02) (A 05) (P 07) ( -06) (SHT 018) (SB 014) (P/20 0.62) |
| S44 | (DNQ) |
| S45 | (DNQ) |
| S46 | (GP 17) (G 04) (A 09) (P 13) (+05) (SHT 033) (SB 020) (P/20 0.64) |
| S47 | (GP 13) (G 01) (A 05) (P 06) (+00) (SHT 018) (SB 013) (P/20 0.38) |
| S48 | (GP 22) (G 04) (A 16) (P 20) (+05) (SHT 033) (SB 022) (P/20 0.76) |
| S49 | (GP 05) (G 00) (A 00) (P 00) ( -06) (SHT 010) (SB 009) (P/20 0.00) |
| S50 | (GP 06) (G 00) (A 03) (P 03) ( -01) (SHT 007) (SB 007) (P/20 0.48) |
| S51 | (GP 08) (G 00) (A 00) (P 00) (+00) (SHT 003) (SB 006) (P/20 0.00) |
| S52 | (GP 15) (G 00) (A 00) (P 00) (+01) (SHT 015) (SB 010) (P/20 0.00) |

|  SMJHL Career |

  SMJHL Regular Seasons
| S30 | (GP 50) (G 05) (A 28) (P 32) (+13) (SHT 059) (SB 53) (P/20 0.64) |
| S31 | (GP 50) (G 10) (A 22) (P 32) ( -12) (SHT 101) (SB 74) (P/20 0.59) |

  SMJHL Playoffs
| S30 | (GP 05) (G 01) (A 02) (P 03) (+02) (SHT 010) (SB 05) (P/20 0.49) |
| S31 | (GP 13) (G 06) (A 10) (P 16) (+04) (SHT 030) (SB 16) (P/20 1.01) |

| Awards |

  Awards Won
| S34 | IIHF Gold Medal (United States of America)
| S37 | IIHF Top Defenseman
| S39 | Scott Stevens Trophy (Best Defenseman)
| S39 | SHL 1st All Stars Team
| S40 | IIHF Gold Medal (United States of America)
| S42 | Scott Stevens Trophy (Best Defenseman)
| S42 | SHL 1st All Stars Team
| S43 | SHL 3rd All Stars Team
| S44 | SHL 1st All Stars Team
| S46 | Challenge Cup Champions (Buffalo Stampede)

  Awards Nominated
| S31 | Brodie Witzel Nominee (SMJHL Playoff MVP)
| S35 | Damien Littleton Nominee (SHL Most Dedicated Player)
| S39 | Damien Littleton Nominee (SHL Most Dedicated Player)
| S41 | Damien Littleton Nominee (SHL Most Dedicated Player)
| S43 | Scott Stevens Trophy (Best Defenseman)
| S44 | Scott Stevens Trophy (Best Defenseman)

| Movement and Contracts |

| S30 | Drafted to Detroit Falcons, 15th OA
| S31 | Drafted to Portland Admirals, 13th OA
| S31 | Signed Contract, 3x $3,000,000 S31-S33 with Portland Admirals
| S31 | Traded to Buffalo Stampede for a handful of magic beans
| S33 | Signed Contract, 3x $6,000,000 S34-S36 with Buffalo Stampede
| S36 | Signed Contract, 2x $6,000,000 S37-S38 with Buffalo Stampede
| S38 | Signed Contract, 2x $7,000,000 S39-S40, plus,
| S38 | 5x $6,000,000 S41-S45 with Buffalo Stampede
| S45 | Signed Contract, 2x $5,000,000 S46-S47 with Buffalo Stampede
| S47 | Signed Contract, 1x $5,000,000 S48 with Buffalo Stampede
| S48 | Signed Contract, 2x $4,000,000 S49-S50 with Buffalo Stampede
| S50 | Signed Contract, 1x $4,000,000 S51-S52 with Buffalo Stampede

HEAD OFFICE ARE A BUNCH OF NERDS

To those that feel the need to bait those in saying listed banned terms or words that would deserve a punishment, realize that we will request the full conversation. If there is a determination that the user was baited, drawn into, or otherwise antagonized into violating a personal conduct rule, then you will be punished in the exact same manner

         Posting of additional vocabulary primarily used to slander various religions, ethnic groups, those with disabilities and sexual designations will leave you vulnerable to the same punishments as listed below on a retroactive basis from 9/14/18, going forward (meaning any word used that is deemed in violation will be added to the list and penalized immediately).

4. From this point forward, Discord, as an extension of the SHL itself being represented, will now be under the same scrutiny as the website, simulationhockey.com. While, there will be no need for LRs to have HO involved on a day-to-day basis, as cases are presented they will be reviewed and determined as punishable (or not) at the discretion of the HO.

I would like to preface my comments by saying for the record, I am not someone that courts trouble on this site or any other. I do not tend to use inappropriate language on the boards and rarely, if ever, get into fights or even disagreements around here. I am virtually certain none of this will ever effect me directly. This is about principle and fairness.

While I don’t have an issue with much of this, the above three aspects are troubling.

People are going to have disagreements on the site. They will say mean and hurtful things to one another, on occasion. Who’s to say what constitutes baiting or drawing in. People are responsible for their own words and actions. To blame one party for another’s use of a banned word is nonsensical. Allow people to be responsible for their own actions and not hide behind claims of provocation and inducements.

This second bit is truly outrageous and dictatorial. You are granting yourself the power to retroactively add words to the banned list and punish people for using them before a ruling is ever issued on their acceptability!? This should not be surprising from the same HO that punished c for doing something you felt should be illegal even though it clearly was not. The ex-post facto precedent was set then and apparently is thriving under this regime. It is frankly disturbing and ridiculous that anyone feels they can just change rules after the fact and punish indiscriminately whatever behavior they feel like.

The Discord thing is also egregious. How far does this power extend. If I e-mail someone privately, does the league have the power to punish me for what I wrote? If I meet someone in real life and call them hateful names, can I be banned for this? If I PM someone on Discord in a private conversation, you feel you have the right to punish me? What if it is on discord but completely unrelated to the SHL, like a wrestling or gaming area, or whatever else? How far does your reach extend?

I understand the HO is trying to sanitize the league and create a safe space here. I am not trying to cast doubt as to your motivations. However, I find it deeply disturbing how easily this HO slips into abuses of power and despotic tendencies. The answer always seems to be making up new rules to justify the results you want and then applying them to past behavior. It is keeping in step with the recent decision to take over the GM hiring process. Freedom in the SHL has been dying a slow and painful death for years now. You can not justify anything at all by merely claiming it is in the service of a kinder, gentler SHL.

I think my thought process can be summed up in what I recently sent @“wumaduce” :
We don’t have an age restriction and with that being the case we merely educate those that may never be on a path of bigotry and hatefulness that it is okay.

In saying that Discord is a public domain and is representative of the league as a whole hence it being an extension of the SHL.  We use team names, logos, player names... all of it league related.

As for the retroactive... go to the SHL discord. There is already a handful of people trying to think of terminology that still tries to find a loophole of what you can and cannot say. If you can’t stop yourself from being an asshat then you will face the scrutiny of facing a penalty retro actively. Why does one need to be a bigot to offend someone? We both know damn well we’re arent going to punish someone for calling them an asshole... or a fuck nugget. In 2018, we shouldn’t need to have this... it is common sense. I know many that do this stupid shit know exactly what they are doing. They will always push the envelope. Why? Who knows.

I think they are just pointing the hole through the rule and are unhappy with how badly worded the rule is.

But why? In fear of being suspended for being a bigot? Just don’t be one and there will be nothing to worry about.

Respectfully, I think this misses the point. Understand, please Wally, this not an attack on you or your motives. I truly believe you have the league’s best interests at heart. We have, and I hope always will, got along quite well. I am also quite aware the membership of the HO changes over time and that the current group is not responsible for the actions of the past.

This is a question of overreach and the stifling of dissent. The membership of the league has changed quite a bit over the years I’ve been here, as Hallsy pointed out. What was once acceptable and commonplace is now rightfully reviled. The league has moved in this direction on its own organically. The membership is younger, more generally pc and less accepting of hate speech and misogyny. This is all to the good and occurred without HO intervention.

What bothers me so greatly is the tendency of the powers that be around here, whether it is coming from the HO or ownership or whoever (it doesn’t really matter), to further curtail freedom of thought, expression and speech around here. That and an unfortunate tendency towards trying to litigate past behavior by newly minted rulings. What is to happen if discord goes out of fashion and people gravitate towards some other chat site? Will the league continue to create new powers to fit any occasion?

But mah freedum of speech!

To those that feel the need to bait those in saying listed banned terms or words that would deserve a punishment, realize that we will request the full conversation. If there is a determination that the user was baited, drawn into, or otherwise antagonized into violating a personal conduct rule, then you will be punished in the exact same manner

         Posting of additional vocabulary primarily used to slander various religions, ethnic groups, those with disabilities and sexual designations will leave you vulnerable to the same punishments as listed below on a retroactive basis from 9/14/18, going forward (meaning any word used that is deemed in violation will be added to the list and penalized immediately).

4. From this point forward, Discord, as an extension of the SHL itself being represented, will now be under the same scrutiny as the website, simulationhockey.com. While, there will be no need for LRs to have HO involved on a day-to-day basis, as cases are presented they will be reviewed and determined as punishable (or not) at the discretion of the HO.

I would like to preface my comments by saying for the record, I am not someone that courts trouble on this site or any other. I do not tend to use inappropriate language on the boards and rarely, if ever, get into fights or even disagreements around here. I am virtually certain none of this will ever effect me directly. This is about principle and fairness.

While I don’t have an issue with much of this, the above three aspects are troubling.

People are going to have disagreements on the site. They will say mean and hurtful things to one another, on occasion. Who’s to say what constitutes baiting or drawing in. People are responsible for their own words and actions. To blame one party for another’s use of a banned word is nonsensical. Allow people to be responsible for their own actions and not hide behind claims of provocation and inducements.

This second bit is truly outrageous and dictatorial. You are granting yourself the power to retroactively add words to the banned list and punish people for using them before a ruling is ever issued on their acceptability!? This should not be surprising from the same HO that punished c for doing something you felt should be illegal even though it clearly was not. The ex-post facto precedent was set then and apparently is thriving under this regime. It is frankly disturbing and ridiculous that anyone feels they can just change rules after the fact and punish indiscriminately whatever behavior they feel like.

The Discord thing is also egregious. How far does this power extend. If I e-mail someone privately, does the league have the power to punish me for what I wrote? If I meet someone in real life and call them hateful names, can I be banned for this? If I PM someone on Discord in a private conversation, you feel you have the right to punish me? What if it is on discord but completely unrelated to the SHL, like a wrestling or gaming area, or whatever else? How far does your reach extend?

I understand the HO is trying to sanitize the league and create a safe space here. I am not trying to cast doubt as to your motivations. However, I find it deeply disturbing how easily this HO slips into abuses of power and despotic tendencies. The answer always seems to be making up new rules to justify the results you want and then applying them to past behavior. It is keeping in step with the recent decision to take over the GM hiring process. Freedom in the SHL has been dying a slow and painful death for years now. You can not justify anything at all by merely claiming it is in the service of a kinder, gentler SHL.

I think my thought process can be summed up in what I recently sent @“wumaduce” :
We don’t have an age restriction and with that being the case we merely educate those that may never be on a path of bigotry and hatefulness that it is okay.

In saying that Discord is a public domain and is representative of the league as a whole hence it being an extension of the SHL.  We use team names, logos, player names... all of it league related.

As for the retroactive... go to the SHL discord. There is already a handful of people trying to think of terminology that still tries to find a loophole of what you can and cannot say. If you can’t stop yourself from being an asshat then you will face the scrutiny of facing a penalty retro actively. Why does one need to be a bigot to offend someone? We both know damn well we’re arent going to punish someone for calling them an asshole... or a fuck nugget. In 2018, we shouldn’t need to have this... it is common sense. I know many that do this stupid shit know exactly what they are doing. They will always push the envelope. Why? Who knows.

I think they are just pointing the hole through the rule and are unhappy with how badly worded the rule is.

But why? In fear of being suspended for being a bigot? Just don’t be one and there will be nothing to worry about.

The problem is that these things aren't black and white and they never will be. There are multiple layers here that could cause problems imho. First of all, not every word has the same impact, they are all bad but some worse so than others. For me, ***** and ***** are worse than retard or gay, which apparently you guys seem to agree with as well because you chose to bleep the first two in the opening post but not the other two. Other people might have different opinions on the severity however and as you said yourself, new words might be added to the list at any time, which makes a one-size-fits-all approach quite tricky. The second layer is context - i'm sure we'll agree that if someone yells the n-word at someone in a hateful way then he'll deserve very severe punishment. But what about someone who talks to one of his friends saying stuff like "what's up my *****". Is that okay or is it not? And if it isn't, does that person deserve the same kind of punishment as the guy who used that word in a much more hateful context? And then there are countless situations that are somewhere in between those two extremes, someone talking about a (white) member of another team, saying "that ***** stole my trophy" which is probably not okay, but also not nearly as hateful as some other potential situations. This also ties into the third and last layer, which is in-group and out-group. Are you gonna punish black members for casually using the word ***** or LGBTQ members for jokingly using gay terms when talking to each other? Is it fine when people from these groups use those words when in their in-group? What exactly changes depending on who these words are said towards/about, a black member or a white member, a straight one or a gay one, or to no one in particular? And how are we even supposed to know a members race or sexual orientation? Do we want to know? Is it really helpful if we choose to self-segregate along these lines?

Again, none of this makes the use of these words good or right, but there are so many ways in which these situations can be messy and complicated. My fear is that these new rules will either be applied too harshly, or they aren't actually applied consistently and things will still be judged on a case-to-case basis, which would be the more sensible approach but also basically is how things already are, rendering this whole announcement pointless. Although I do appreciate the spirit of this statement as a whole and that you made clear where the league stands on this and that we don't tolerate hate-speech and slurs and want to create an inclusive enviroment. It's good that you guys verbalized this very clearly, I just fear that your way to reach that goal might not prove to be successful.

Evan Winter
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