08-07-2018, 01:25 PMMike Izzy Wrote:

08-07-2018, 01:14 PMArGarBarGar Wrote:

08-07-2018, 12:49 PMAvakael Wrote:

08-07-2018, 11:30 AMArGarBarGar Wrote:

08-06-2018, 10:00 PMAvakael Wrote: I still think, by the way, that we should be splitting the Stevens into offensive and defensive defencemen awards. It's kinda silly that this is the only award defencemen are ever considered for (other than the occasional lucky Jesster nominee), and forwards have about 5 or 6 to share.

Meh. With that you get an award for the highest scoring defenseman (almost always) and an award based on who knows what. It would be even harder to determine than the Dar.

What makes a defenseman the best defensive defenseman? Hits? Shot blocks (heavily determined by shots the team faces)? PK time? +/- (which is heavily dependent on team and usage)?

My personal preference is +/- as the most important stat, as that's our primary goals against reference. I'd also favour a low PIM as a high priority, which marginalizes hits. SB, PKM and hits minus hits taken become the general tiebreakers.

But that doesn't take into account linemates, quality of team, quality of goaltender, or anything. It isn't a valuable metric and requires a lot of context to be used in any meaningful way. And even then it doesn't demonstrate the value of a player.

but in honesty you can make that 'team influenced stat' case for just about every stat available to us.... even total points.

Plus minus is the most heavily dependent on outside factors, and the only one that does not require action for a player to benefit from it. You have to explicitly do something to score a goal, register an assist, make a hit, block a shot. You don't have to be involved at all to be out there for a goal for or goal against.