09-16-2018, 05:47 PMSmegKingma Wrote:

09-16-2018, 05:06 PMRomanesEuntDomus Wrote: Elections did not make this league a better place, I was in favor of the election system back when it was implemented but it simply didn't work very well. Bad candidates still got in, way more than through applications I'd argue, HO still got shit on constantly and wasn't any more "legitimate" in the eyes of the members, there were good decisions and bad decisions just like there are now and ultimately the members, the very people who got to vote, started to hate the system and pushed for the HO to abolish it. It wasn't some tyrannical HO who got rid of elections, it was an overwhelming majority of vocal members who wanted it and after some resistance, the HO finally complied. Accountability and transparency are important, but HO elections didn't really help us achieve those goals.

I'm guessing this happened behind closed doors, Cause i never saw any public comments about it being a bad thing. I'm fine with how it is now except from the part of having 3 people from the same team being on HO. i disagree that it wasnt any more legitimate than it is now, but we can agree to disagree ä.

We must have had different experiences with the system then because I remember people shitting on the election system a lot, especially towards its end. But maybe I was a bit more sensitive to this as an elected HO-member myself and the hatred wasn't as widespread as I thought, that's entirely possible. If I remember correctly there were public polls on that matter though were a significant portion of the league spoke out against the voting system.

I for one don't have a strong opinion here, returning an election system or at least some elective elements or a hybrid, like Hallsy suggested, could definitely work. My point just is that in the past, elections didn't automatically make things better and that we also didn't get rid of them because HO decided to go authoritarian, but because the members demanded it. And it's generally easier to ensure that someone isn't a troll and that he is willing to do the work through an application system than through an elective one. As someone else said earlier in this thread, when you get voted into the office through not much work of your own, then it's quite likely that that person won't be the most hard-working either once they are in HO. And that's what it felt like at times when I was in HO, people were voted in due to their popularity but then didn't do a whole lot. If someone has to submit a well thought-out application however and if the current HO can "vet" him in a sense, then chances are much higher that we will actually get a committed, hard-working person for the job. That doesn't mean that there won't be questionable picks of course, but there were plenty of those in both systems.