11-18-2018, 08:36 PMMike Izzy Wrote: if you are serious about this being a civil discussion with its intensions to 'help'  then before everyone jumps in...  how about we start with this..

A portion of the problem we see with HO stems from them being so fucking defensive because of the abuse they take for every nickle and dime decision they make. If you havnt been in a high level job here then you dont know how whip lashing it can be when 100 dudes jump down your throat all at once. I witnessed it first hand last month as PT director... i was there no longer then 3 weeks, made a mistake on the CW and instead of a couple of PMs asking me to make some changes to it i had to enjoy the izzy shitshow for about 10 days. you may come in to the job with good intensions but it becomes apparent quickly that the 90 things you do right dont get noticed but the 1-2 things you do wrong gets you ganged up on for sport.

This pressure is probably 10 times worse if you are part of HO these past few seasons and if you are sticking around through that bullshit you may in fact always walk around feeling defensive or forced to adapt to the anger and become angry yourself.

If we want to help HO.. and yes they do make mistakes and can definitley take some advice.. then it has to start with treating them with some more respect when we dont agree with them.

Believe me I know this first hand from quite a few years at the helm of different projects. It's not fun, and it is why I don't really do it anymore. This starts from both sides imo. The forum is a toxic place, but there is the question of whether it would be a toxic place under different circumstances, or maybe a better communication system. I don't know, but I'd like to think so

I think if we as a whole can get more community involvement in matters that effect 100-200 people, I think we might see more of a rapport between HO and the forum. I want HO to be a position that people want to take to make SHL a better place. It's become something no one wants to do... Because of this stupid fucking forum that I love so much lmao

I think there just needs to be better communication. But I agree, people are way to hard on HO