12-27-2018, 04:23 AM
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12-27-2018, 02:53 AM Boomcheck Wrote: We doing the Hall of Fame or Hall of Very Good? I could look at the hall and point out a guy or two and go 'Why is he in there?'
22 seasons as a very good player I would expect him to be pretty high up there in overall points produced/playoff leader boards and whatnot. 22 seasons.
Here's a rough idea of the awards these guys have in major awards voted on by the committee. I don't take this as the gospel or anything, there can be mistakes made in these.
Esa: None
Eriksson: League MVP/Playoff MVP
Garbznzo: League MVP/Stevensx5
Joe McK: League MVPx2/Darx2
Kane: League MVPx2/Darx2/Playoff MVP
D. Winter: None
Hallsy's forward: Has some MVPs and Dars, awards committee should change the jordan halls to taylor mcdavid since he's the same person and just changed names
LPF: None
Sarantez: None
Lloren: None
Randleman: League MVPX2/Darx2
Chris McZ: League MVP/Darx2
Adam Kylrad: Dar
There's clearly tiers within the list you even detailed and Pedersen is not in the upper echelon.
Winter and LFP have lead the league in statistical categories before I'm not a fan of Flacko and there's a reason he wasn't getting many awards despite leading the league in a bunch of categories.
Has anyone ever looked at Pedersen and went 'damn that guy is the best player at his position'
Pedersen top 10 scoring finishes:
S33 (T5)
Think that's it.
He'll have his # retired in Calgary, but it shouldn't be a shock that he didn't get in first ballot.
And I don't think he'll get into the Hall of Fame for being great, he'll get in for being very good over a long period of time. There are guys like Pedersen in the hall that have been very good over an extended period of time and I believe he will join them. Don't get me wrong, what Pedersen did isn't easy. Lots of one hit wonders that shouldn't be considered as good as Pedersen because they couldn't maintain any decent consistency.
The real HOF debate is goaltending. What gets them in?
372 words and not 1 word said on the 5 championship rings on his hand? Amazing.
A 1st line stud for 5 championships and your just going to bypass that as something not even worth adding in this post? 5 titles is the most championships in SHL history... are we dismissing all those titles as mid evil magic or good luck? ... it takes a player like Nicholas Pederson to be that great that he can score 869 points which is 8th all time.. yet still give a portion of his numbers towards the bigger cause.... and that should be reflected in the discussions that go on within the hall of fame group.
and if were being honest... what would those numbers had been if you put him in Chris Yorks situation over a portion of his career? It cant be all about how many tokens a player has in Argars league of distinguished players because the STHS rewards good players on shit teams. again something the committee should be adding into their equations.
Boomcheck.. I'm a big fan of yours! im just adding my counter in this discussion.. have a happy hollidays
[S58] #A-Rye Izzy || D || CGY || #Killowna || 1438 TPE
Born: S39
Height: 6'2"
Weight: 188 lbs
Number: 86
Position: Hybrid Defender
Birth Place: Vienna, Austria
Residence: Toronto, Canada
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SHL Regular Season Statistics:
S60| CGY | GP 66| G: 11| A: 15| P: 26| H: 57 | BK: 85| +15 | PPP: 00
S61| CGY | GP 66| G: 05| A: 15| P: 20| H: 64 | BK: 96| +06 | PPP: 00
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SMJHL Regular Season Statistics:
S57| KEL| GP 66| G: 05| A: 13| P: 18| H: 57| BK: 27| -01| PPP: 00
S58| KEL| GP 63| G: 08| A: 23| P: 31| H: 51| BK: 30| +20| PPP: 02
S59| KEL| GP 66| G: 13| A: 22| P: 35| H: 74| BK: 64| +30| PPP: 01
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SMJHL Post Season Statistics:
S57| KEL| GP 07| G: 00| A: 00| P: 00| H: 03| BK: 02| -01| PPP: 00
S58| KEL| GP 12| G: 01| A: 04| P: 05| H: 05| BK: 04| -04| PPP: 00
S59| KEL| GP 17| G: 06| A: 05| P: 11| H: 22| BK: 10| +11| PPP: 01
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Drafts:
S34 - SMJHL: Drafted 5th overall by Kelowna
S35 - SHL: Auto Drafted by Calgary
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Timeline:
S57 - Youngest player drafted in league history.
S58 - Named Alternate Captain of the Kelowna Knights
S58 - Won Silver Medal with DACH in the WJC
S59 - Named Captain of the Kelowna Knights
S59 - Won Gold Medal with DACH in the WJC
S59 - Kelowna wins 4-Star Cup Championship
Mike Izzy || S34-55 || HOF || TPE Max: 2207 || Cups: 3
Alias: the Augment
Born: 9/4/1995
Height: 6'0"
Weight: 228 lbs
Number: 19
Birth Place: Whitby, Ontario
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SHL Regular Season Statistics:
S55| CGY| GP 50| G: 14| A: 12| P: 26| H: 154| BK: 28| +23| SHT: 149
S54| CGY| GP 50| G: 21| A: 19| P: 40| H: 108| BK: 28| -05 | SHT: 144
S53| CGY| GP 50| G: 17| A: 23| P: 40| H: 185| BK: 13| +11| SHT: 152
S52| CGY| GP 50| G: 17| A: 21| P: 38| H: 196| BK: 19| +11| SHT: 199
S51| CGY| GP 50| G: 14| A: 23| P: 37| H: 227| BK: 18| -05| SHT: 166
S50| CGY| GP 50| G: 18| A: 33| P: 51| H: 186| BK: 20| +16| SHT: 185
S49| CGY| GP 50| G: 29| A: 24| P: 53| H: 174| BK: 11| +24| SHT: 177
S48| CGY| GP 50| G: 21| A: 29| P: 50| H: 220| BK: 15| +10| SHT: 196
S47| CGY| GP 50| G: 20| A: 30| P: 50| H: 208| BK: 26| +18| SHT: 193
S46| CGY| GP 50| G: 22| A: 28| P: 50| H: 218| BK: 19| +05| SHT: 252
S45| CGY| GP 50| G: 15| A: 26| P: 41| H: 216| BK: 14| -03| SHT: 216
S44| CGY| GP 50| G: 19| A: 33| P: 52| H: 180| BK: 10| +15| SHT: 206
S43| CGY| GP 50| G: 21| A: 27| P: 48| H: 198| BK: 10| +04| SHT: 214
S42| CGY| GP 50| G: 26| A: 26| P: 52| H: 176| BK: 17| +11| SHT: 213
S41| CGY| GP 50| G: 20| A: 25| P: 45| H: 190| BK: 13| - 05| SHT: 208
S40| CGY| GP 50| G: 20| A: 20| P: 40| H: 200| BK: 16| +10| SHT: 193
S39| CGY| GP 50| G: 24| A: 24| P: 48| H: 209| BK: 05| +23| SHT: 178
S38| CGY| GP 50| G: 15| A: 16| P: 31| H: 192| BK: 07| +09| SHT: 124
S37| CGY| GP 50| G: 07| A: 09| P: 16| H: 149| BK: 04| +06| SHT: 071
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SHL Playoff Statistics:
S37| CGY| GP 07| G: 00| A: 00| P: 00| H: 17|: -07| SHT: 40| PIM: 02
S38| CGY| GP 18| G: 06| A: 01| P: 07| H: 65|: -04| SHT: 67| PIM: 28
S39| CGY| GP 04| G: 00| A: 00| P: 00| H: 11|: -04| SHT: 08| PIM: 06
S40| CGY| GP 19| G: 06| A: 11| P: 17| H: 50|: +02|SHT: 37| PIM: 12
S41| CGY| GP 06| G: 01| A: 03| P: 04| H: 32|: -04| SHT: 12| PIM: 16
S42| CGY| GP 14| G: 14| A: 10| P: 24| H: 70|: +11|SHT: 85| PIM: 19
S43| CGY| GP 06| G: 02| A: 00| P: 02| H: 18|: +01|SHT: 24| PIM: 00
S44| CGY| GP 05| G: 01| A: 03| P: 04| H: 21|: -02|SHT: 23| PIM: 04
S46| CGY| GP 10| G: 06| A: 06| P: 12| H: 49|: +03|SHT: 35| PIM: 27
S47| CGY| GP 10| G: 06| A: 06| P: 12| H: 49|: +03|SHT: 35| PIM: 27
S48| CGY| GP 11| G: 04| A: 06| P: 10| H: 47|: +01|SHT: 55| PIM: 10
S49| CGY| GP 07| G: 03| A: 06| P: 09| H: 29| : -01| SHT: 32| PIM: 04
S50| CGY| GP 20| G: 16| A: 16| P: 32| H: 68| :+21| SHT: 88| PIM: 28
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SMJHL Regular Season Statistics:
S34| KEL| GP 50| G: 10| A: 09| P: 19| : +19| PIM: 38| H: 107|
S35| KEL| GP 50| G: 17| A: 16| P: 33| : -10| PIM: 58| H: 145|
S36| KEL| GP 50| G: 18| A: 17| P: 35| : +04| PIM: 58| H: 130|
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SMJHL Playoff Statistics:
S34| KEL| GP: 06| G: 2| A: 4| P: 6| : +5| PIM: 02| H: 17|
S35| KEL| GP: 12| G: 5| A: 3| P: 8| : +2| PIM: 12| H: 31|
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International Hockey Statistics (IIHF):
S36| AUT| GP 11| G: 2| A: 2| P: 04| : +1| PIM: 12| H: 22| SOG: 16
S37| AUT| GP 11| G: 3| A: 1| P: 04| : -6| PIM: 06| H: 51| SOG: 25
S38| AUT| GP 10| G: 3| A: 4| P: 07| : +7| PIM: 06| H: 40| SOG: 32
S39| AUT| GP 11| G: 2| A: 3| P: 05| : -04| PIM: 06| H: 36|SOG: 38
S40| AUT| GP 12| G: 4| A: 2| P: 05| : -04| PIM: 14| H: 43|SOG: 47
S41| AUT| GP 10| G: 5| A: 2| P: 07| : -03| PIM: 06| H: 24|SOG: 44
S42| AUT| GP 13| G: 3| A: 5| P: 08| : -01| PIM: 12| H: 26|SOG: 51
S43| AUT| GP 12| G: 6| A: 7| P: 13| : -02| PIM: 12| H: 56|SOG: 42
S44| AUT| GP 11| G: 6| A: 8| P: 14| :+06| PIM: 06| H: 48|SOG: 36
S45| AUT| GP 13| G: 7| A: 3| P: 10| :+01| PIM: 16| H: 45|SOG: 61
S46| AUT| GP 15| G:10| A:10| P:20| :+11| PIM :08| H: 58|SOG: 61
S47| AUT| GP 15| G:08| A:08| P:16| :+09| PIM :10| H: 36|SOG: 56
S47| AUT| GP 12| G:04| A:10| P:14| :+00| PIM :04| H: 33|SOG: 51
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Drafts:
S34 - SMJHL: Drafted 22nd overall by Kelowna
S35 - SHL: Drafted 4th overall by Edmonton
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Contracts:
S34 - Signed 1-yr/$2mil entry deal with Kelowna
S35 - Signed 3-yr/$1mil contract with Edmonton
S38 - Signed 2-yr/$4mil contract with Calgary
S39 - Signed 5-yr/$21mil contract extension with Calgary
S45 - Signed 2-yr/$4mil contract with Calgary
S47 - Signed 2-yr/$4mil contract with Calgary
S49 - Signed 2-yr/$6mil contract with Calgary
S51 - Signed 2-yr/$6mil contract with Calgary
S53 - Signed 2-yr/$6mil contract with Calgary
S55 - Signed 1-yr/$4mill contract with Calgary
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Awards:
S34 - Maxim Horvat Award for Kelowna's Top Rookie
S35 - Elias Armia Award for Kelowna MVP
S36 - Saku Perhonen Award for Most Exciting Player
S39 - Jesster Award for Calgary Dragons MVP
S42 - Jesster Award for Calgary Dragons MVP
S43 - Damian Littleton Trophy - Most Dedicated User
S45 - Jesster Award for Calgary Dragons MVP
S46 - IIHF’s Top Forward Award
S47 - Jeff Dar Trophy - Best 2 Way Forward
S49 - Jay McDonald Trophy - Most Goals (29)
S50 - Jesster Award for Calgary Dragons MVP
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Timeline:
S35 - Named Alternate Captain of the Kelowna Knights
S35 - Named Media Director/Head Scout of Edmonton
S36 - Named Media Director of the Calgary Dragons
S36 - Transfered from Team Canada to Team Austria
S37 - Named GM of Team Austria of the IIHF
S38 - Calgary: Western Conference Champions
S39 - Named Alternate Captain of the Calgary Dragons
S39 - SHL All Star ‘3rd Team’
S40 - Calgary: Western Conference Champions
S40 - Calgary: Challenge Cup Champions!
S41 - Named Head of the SHL Awards Committee
S42 - Calgary: Western Conference Champions
S42 - Calgary: Challenge Cup Champions!
S42 - Jeff Dar Nomination (Best 2 way forward)
S42 - Anton Razov Nomination (Playoff MVP)
S43 - Named head of the Player Progression Department
S43 - Jeff Dar Nomination (Best 2 way forward)
S43 - Damian Littleton Trophy (Most Dedicated User)
S43 - IIHF Bronze Medal Winner
S44 - SHL All Star ‘2nd Team’
S44 - Jeff Dar Nomination (Best 2 way forward)
S45 - #1 in the SHL in hits (216)
S45 - IIHF Bronze Medal Winner
S45 - Damian Littleton Nomination (Most Dedicated User)
S46 - Jeff Dar Nomination (Best 2 way forward)
S46 - Damian Littleton Nomination (Most Dedicated User)
S47 - #1 in the SHL in hits (208)
S47 - Calgary: Western Conference Champions
S47 - IIHF Bronze Medal Winner
S47 - Ranked #1 in the top 100 list for S47
S48 - 1st player ever to add 50p/200h is 3 straight years
S48 - SHL All Star ‘2nd Team’
S48 - Ranked #1 in the top 100 list for S48
S48 - Jeff Dar Nomination (Best 2 way forward)
S48 - 6 Jeff Dar noms is the most in SHL history for that award
S49 - Calgary: Presidents Trophy
S49 - SHL All Star ‘3rd Team’
S49 - Jeff Dar Nomination (Best 2 way forward)
S49 - Ron Mexico Nomination (Leagues Most valuable Player)
S49 - Calgary creates the Mike Izzy Award for (Team Sportsmanship)
S50 - Calgary: Western Conference Champions
S50 - Calgary: Challenge Cup Champions!
S50 - SHL All Star ‘3rd’ Team’
S50 - Jeff Dar Nomination (Best 2 way forward)
S50 - Anton Razov Nomination (Playoff MVP)
S51 - Named Co-GM of the Calgary Dragons
S55 - Mike Izzy became the SHL’s all time hits leader (3585)
S55 - Mike Izzy retires from the SHL
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Trades:
S36 - Traded to the Calgary Dragons
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TPE at the start of each season:
S37 - 751 TPE
S38 - 937 TPE
S39 - 1,114 TPE
S40 - 1,298 TPE
S41 - 1,465 TPE
S42 - 1,646 TPE
S42 - 1,858 TPE
S43 - 2,041 TPE
S44 - 2,109 TPE
S45 - 2,204 TPE (Final)
Coach Izzy || General Manager || CGY || S59-Present
Overall Record: 148W, 90L, 24OTL +114
Seasons: 4
Playoffs: 4
Series Wins: 3
Challenge Cups: 0
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Regular Season Record:
S59 - 42W, 20L, 4OTL, 88 PTS, +44
- Division Winner
- 1st Round Bye
- Lost to Chicago in quarterfinals
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S60 - 38W, 21L, 7OTL, 83 PTS, +62
- Division Winner
- Wins against: Seattle, Edmonton
- Western Conference Championship Series
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S61 - 34W, 26L, 6OTL, 74 PTS, +5
- 2nd Place, Pacific Division
- Wins against: Los Angeles
- Lost to Edmonton in quarterfinals
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S62 - 36W, 23L, 7OTL, 79 PTS, +03
- 2nd Place, Pacific Division
- Lost to Seatlle in round 1
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