12-27-2018, 08:56 AMztevans Wrote:

12-26-2018, 04:04 PMToeDragon84 Wrote: Fleming led the Jets for 6 seasons in a row, pretty consistent in his own right. Summing their career as one really good season in S34 is weak.

Also, since this was kinda brushed over (catching up from AWOL these past few days), it was not his first ballot. It was his third, which reads like the consensus on when Pedersen will get in from what I'm gathering in this thread?

Flemmy definitely wasn't around as long as Pedey, but even in that shorter span he had more PPG seasons and just as many 100+ hit seasons (with better numbers in those seasons). It's easy to say his MVP season was an aberration because it was his only award-winning season, but it ... really wasn't?

A more interesting argument re: these two players, honestly, would be ice time. How much did Flemmy's numbers benefit from playing sometimes 1400 minutes in a season when Nicky, even at his peak, topped out at 1272 in his last season as a Panther? A quick and dirty and hardly conclusive "pro-rating" of Pedey's stats in his peak seasons to play double-shift minutes doesn't quite get him to Flemmy's peak during that time, but it does get him into the 64-68 point range, and what's to say more time against third-liners wouldn't have accounted for a couple of extra points here and there?

I say all of this to say, just from my experience voting on awards (none whatsoever with HOF), it's rarely as simple as anyone will want you to think at first glance. I could go on and on dissecting various pros and cons for both of these guys - and that's not mentioning the dozens of other names up for the HOF each season, and the ones who will join that list next season and so on.

I did jump the gun comparing to flemmy, sure. I was mostly going by stats comparison and the way Wally made it seem like all the awards we're a big contributing factor, which werd all in s34.

Basically, Im just gonna blame @Wally . :p


Still. Idk how Biscuit got in then first ballot. He only had littletons and Turds with a similar career.