12-27-2018, 04:23 AMMike Izzy Wrote:

12-27-2018, 02:53 AMBoomcheck Wrote: We doing the Hall of Fame or Hall of Very Good? I could look at the hall and point out a guy or two and go 'Why is he in there?'

22 seasons as a very good player I would expect him to be pretty high up there in overall points produced/playoff leader boards and whatnot. 22 seasons.
Here's a rough idea of the awards these guys have in major awards voted on by the committee. I don't take this as the gospel or anything, there can be mistakes made in these.

Esa: None
Eriksson: League MVP/Playoff MVP
Garbznzo: League MVP/Stevensx5
Joe McK: League MVPx2/Darx2
Kane: League MVPx2/Darx2/Playoff MVP
D. Winter: None
Hallsy's forward: Has some MVPs and Dars, awards committee should change the jordan halls to taylor mcdavid since he's the same person and just changed names
LPF: None
Sarantez: None
Lloren: None
Randleman: League MVPX2/Darx2
Chris McZ: League MVP/Darx2
Adam Kylrad: Dar

There's clearly tiers within the list you even detailed and Pedersen is not in the upper echelon.
Winter and LFP have lead the league in statistical categories before I'm not a fan of Flacko and there's a reason he wasn't getting many awards despite leading the league in a bunch of categories.

Has anyone ever looked at Pedersen and went 'damn that guy is the best player at his position'
Pedersen top 10 scoring finishes:
S33 (T5)

Think that's it.

He'll have his # retired in Calgary, but it shouldn't be a shock that he didn't get in first ballot.

And I don't think he'll get into the Hall of Fame for being great, he'll get in for being very good over a long period of time. There are guys like Pedersen in the hall that have been very good over an extended period of time and I believe he will join them. Don't get me wrong, what Pedersen did isn't easy. Lots of one hit wonders that shouldn't be considered as good as Pedersen because they couldn't maintain any decent consistency.


The real HOF debate is goaltending. What gets them in?

372 words and not 1 word said on the 5 championship rings on his hand? Amazing.  

A 1st line stud for 5 championships and your just going to bypass that as something not even worth adding in this post?  5 titles is the most championships in SHL history... are we dismissing all those titles as mid evil magic or good luck? ... it takes a player like Nicholas Pederson to be that great that he can score 869 points which is 8th all time.. yet still give a portion of his numbers towards the bigger cause.... and that should be reflected in the discussions that go on within the hall of fame group.

and if were being honest... what would those numbers had been if you put him in Chris Yorks situation over a portion of his career?  It cant be all about how many tokens a player has in Argars league of distinguished players because the STHS rewards good players on shit teams. again something the committee should be adding into their equations.


Boomcheck.. I'm a big fan of yours! im just adding my counter in this discussion.. have a happy hollidays  

Don't get me wrong, there's a reason I don't look at players like LPF or those ice time abusing forwards that highly. I even wanted teams to limit the overall ice time a forward is out there for.

Pedersen is very good, he's not great. In his PPG seasons he has never lead Calgary in scoring. Maybe the Dragons just didn't trust him in the role to be the man because it's not like they didn't give certain forwards minutes.

S30
Pedersen: 54 Points | 24.2 AMG
Anrikkannen: 55 Points | 24.4 AMG

S33
Pedersen: 59 Points | 24.3 AMG
Randleman: 64 Points |23.4 AMG

S35
Pedersen: 50 Points | 21.5 AMG
Randleman: 64 Points |27.2 AMG

S36
Pedersen: 50 Points | 22.4 AMG
Randleman: 74 Points | 27.5 AMG


Retire his number, he deserves that much. HOF has players inducted in the past 10 seasons that I find iffy, but Pedersen will make it in.