12-28-2018, 08:45 PMBonk Wrote:

12-28-2018, 08:14 PMraymond3000 Wrote: First, Pat Quinn and Willie O'Ree got in as builders, not players. And of the players you listed, the only one who got in first ballot was Modano, and he was the face of the Stars franchise his entire career and is considered the greatest American-born player of all time. Recchi didn't get in until his 3rd ballot, and it took Housley 10 tries to get in.

I think apart from the awards, the biggest knock on Pedersen is that he was never really considered the best player on the Dragons. In the early part of his career, Esa was considered the superior player, and later on it was Randleman who became Calgary's top forward. He was just consistently the 2nd or 3rd best player on his team throughout his career, which is great, but he never proved he could carry a team by himself. You could say that is him being punished for playing on a good team, but teammates like Randleman and Nuck were able to put up monster seasons while Pedersen couldn't.

That was list I made in five secs based of @Daco one comment of  "provide examples of NHL hall of famers with high alltime totals but never being the best individual player in any season at all" I am sure if looked for two minutes I would have had better examples. Such as Mats Sundin

My bad, I thought this was still in relation to Pedersen not making it in.