08-30-2020, 10:36 PMPremierBromanov Wrote:

08-30-2020, 10:01 PMTheHockeyist Wrote: how some Latin-based rules are no longer considered objectively correct.

the history behind this is actually worth knowing. The short of it is that the rules were created by the elite as a way to differentiate the poor from the rich, as writing itself was something that was out of reach from most people. As writing became more common, it was necessary to create little rules like "You can't end a sentence with a proposition" to further separate the educated rich from the uneducated poor.

You'll find most societal rules, like table manners, are derived from trying to figure out who is poor and who is not. This is still in effect today, as ebonics have emerged as their own dialect and is often sneered at by people who would preach "proper grammar" and all it seeks to say is "You are poor, and I am not".

I mean, we havent even dipped our toe into the ethnocentrism dripping from the idea of "write english the way I want you to write it".

Yes. Double negatives. Those were drilled as "avoid like the plague". Never use a double negative. I don't know how many times I was taught this, yet my native dialect doesn't use double negation.

It might be a bit of ethnocentrism or something - I did distance myself from those who were more "incorrect" by way of how they wrote/spoke/etc. barring non-native speakers of English (whom I am always glad to help out). Except for school, most of what I was exposed to was "proper" grammatical English, especially the written form. Thus when I see something that deviates from this coming from a native speaker, I die a bit inside.