04-07-2021, 07:56 AMFuzzSHL Wrote:

04-07-2021, 01:48 AMEricNCSU Wrote: So let me get this straight.. you had a tie in votes with a player you had already deemed ineligible... how did you let that happen? What kind of total screw job led to that decision? 

Also, can we drop the whole "easier opponents" horseshit? I'm getting real goddamned tired of it.  There's a big enough difference between 3.35 GAA and 1.85 GAA that it's not just the fucking schedule.

I would like to direct this comment back to S53 SMJHL and S56 SHL.

Let's start with S53 in the J. Detroit had a record of 41-7-2, which is fucking insane of a record. Their starting goalie? An astounding 1.92 GAA with a save percentage of .901 while facing 648 shots for an average of...19.6 shots against per game. He also had 3 shutouts. Now, let's look at Carolina. They had a record of 18-29-3, which, let's be completely honest with ourselves here, is not in the same fucking universe as a 41-7-2 record. Now, what about their starting goalie? 2.95 GAA, .920 save percentage, while facing 1406 shots for an average of.....35.15 shots against per game. He had 2 shutouts. In this discussion, should we be looking at GAA? Absolutely not. Why? Well, on one hand you have a dominant team who limits the opposition's shot totals. When you are facing less than 20 shots per game, you're probably going to have a low GAA. So we look at save percentage, which is more of an individual metric when it comes to goalies than GAA is. Strictly comparing these two goalies it is obvious that despite the GAA, Carolina's goalie had a better individual season while Detroit had the better team season.

Let's jump over to S56 in the SHL, where we're going to revisit the Kata Vilde vs Knox Booth discussion. In terms of the league's starting goalies, Vilde was #1 in save percentage while Booth was #2. Both started the same amount of games and were in the same conference, so schedules looked very similar. Vilde had a GAA of 1.65 with 9 shutouts while Booth had a GAA of 2.64 with 2 shutouts. Looks like Vilde had the better season, no? What about their save percentage? Vilde had .936 while Booth had .934. Okay, seems like Vilde is objectively the better goalie here. But....wait, what about the teams in front of them? Calgary was 38-8-4 while Los Angeles was 24-22-4. Wow, okay, that's quite the difference. What kind of shot totals did they face? Vilde faced 1147 shots for an average of 26.07 shots per game while Booth faced 1780 for an average of 40.45 shots per game. This is where the argument shifts towards Booth having the better individual season once you start putting all of the stats together. Booth faced a significantly higher and harder workload than Vilde and put up a save percentage that was two thousandths of a difference from Vilde's.

We can not ignore quality of competition here, either. Is it tiring to hear that certain teams have an easier time? Yes, yes it is. Does that mean we can ignore the fact that facing New Orleans and facing Baltimore last season is not as close of a competitive difference as it was the season prior? Absolutely not.

We all have the stats available to us, but we can't just take them for face value. If we are going to have any sort of actual discussion surrounding these sort of decisions we have to know how to properly think about the stats that we have available to us, especially when it comes to goalies.

Yes, but in the S53 SMJHL season, people also claimed having a lot of PIMS automatically disqualifies you for MVP.