11-05-2021, 07:30 PMluketd Wrote:

11-05-2021, 07:09 PMMemento Mori Wrote: We voted to give GMs the equivalent of CW passes in ISFL over a year ago now and there's not been any tangible negatives, is there any reason you dislike the idea besides the idea that GMs should have to do further, additional work to set an example or because you don't think it's much extra work?

Given that the standard there is that most teams scout every player in each draft class and that doesn't happen here, freeing up some of their time to do scouting rather than CW busy work seems like it could improve the experience for other users. Further, given how many punishments there are for missing GM tasks in SHL compared with ISFL, it seems a pretty easy way to reduce their workload at that time of the season.

I dont see doing PT's and CW's doing additional work. Its just how they get TPE for their player. And scouting in the SHL is way more different than the ISFL, where in the ISFL you get messaged by everyone because they want to pressure the player into swapping positions. Where in the SHL, it is a lot different, as we dont do that. If you are a team with pick #20 you have an idea of who you are drafting in the range so you scout them. If you are a top 10 pick you scout those players. And if you have extra picks in the 2nd or 1st you scout a wider range of players. If you only need forwards in a draft you only scout forwards, if you need defense you only scout defense. Now sure SHL GM's should scout more, but they dont. But giving them a CW pass or a PT pass wont change that.

if a PT is ~5-10 minutes of work, and there is 5 of them. 25-50 minutes of work in a season for a PT + 1 hour for CW doesnt get you there. It isnt a workload, its how their player earns TPE. If a GM cant do their GM tasks ontop of 2 hours of work a season for PT's, I dont know what to tell you.

I dislike the idea because I dont see it as an advantage. I think GM's should lead by example and do PT's and CW's, or else you will end up like ISFL where you have 43 people have PT + CW Pass, 50 people with a CW Pass, 5 people with various Passes, and 15 simmers for Prediction Passes.

luke I'm not sure I understand...

So PTs aren't any work, but they are so much work that they set an example for other players? And having ~60 people with passes (out of, what, 400+ players?) is inherently bad?

I think the idea that others are arguing for is that there is a big discrepancy between good gms and bad gms and that discrepancy is usually based on time, not mental acuity. Also, if we have few applicants for GM positions, that's not automatically the cream of the crop applying (it could be). Therefore, with a PT task we get more applicants and have a better pool to select from on top of those Gms having more time to be better at their jobs.

The only thing I would be concerned with is limiting PT passes, for sure. TPE gain is already out of control and regression is a joke. That's an angle I understand. We shouldnt hand them out willy nilly.

But the angle that doing PT tasks somehow makes players look up to their GMs or something? i dont know lol. Doesn't make sense to me.