For aittokallio, he does argue with the ref a little bit. And its always not to try to convince them about not giving out the penalty. You will always lose that, dont get fooled. Instead what you can talk about is to point out what the other team is getting away with, in order to draw their eyes to that, and to eventually lead us getting a power play. It is always about getting that little bit of an advantage in order to try to win. It is always about trying to get the upper hand on the other team, with any means necissary. And it isnt just yelling over and over at them, we do not want to berate them, as it will make them bitter towards us. But it is just a converstaion and having the respect of the refs. Just to try to get them to our side. Its all about winning