05-19-2023, 09:17 AM JURT Wrote: That's fair, but that was already the case under the old rule, except under the old rules if you baited someone to double-trade you a pick you would also have a chance to get even more picks by playing hardball with them, i.e. if the other team wants to avoid the punishment/probation consequences you could make them pay even more.
For example in this instance, under the old rules, if Carolina and Yukon both decided to play hardball, St. Louis is left with two options:
- Not cave in, give a 2nd to Yukon and lose a 3rd to the void as well as being officially punished
- Settle "out of court" by giving that 2nd and 3rd, or a 1st, or whatever the teams ask for, but avoid being officially punished since they settled "amicably".
There's always going to be ways to negociate in bad faith, but with the new rule there's only one step to it so I see this as an improvement.
OK but I want my 3rd upgraded to a 2nd too :(
Jimmy Wagner || Seattle Argonauts || Carolina Kraken || RW || S53 || 1002 cTPE || 2295 pTPE (7th all time)
6'1 || 190 lbs || Perg, Austria || Swedish passport
S52 SMJHL Draft - 6th Overall - Carolina Kraken
S53 SHL Draft - 5th Overall - Los Angeles Panthers
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SHL Season Stats
Szn |Team | GP | G | A | P | +/- | Sht | PM | TOI
S56 | LAP | 50 | 6 | 16 | 22 | -10 | 108 | 24 |1023 // A /
S57 | LAP | 66 | 16 | 25 | 41 | -13 | 167 | 24 |1508 // A /
S58 | LAP | 66 | 15 | 31 | 46 | -3 | 173 | 12 |1485 // A /
S59 | LAP | 66 | 22 | 26 | 48 | -19 | 208 | 12 |1576 // A /
S60 | LAP | 66 | 25 | 31 | 56 | 13 | 214 | 10 |1380 // A /
S61 | LAP | 66 | 19 | 35 | 54 | -10 | 251 | 16 |1436 // C /
S62 | LAP | 66 | 38 | 48 | 86 | 12 | 330 | 14 |1481 // C / MVP Nominee, Breakout Nominee, 2nd Team All-SHL
S63 | LAP | 66 | 20 | 40 | 64 | 5 | 292 | 22 |1442 // C /
S64 | LAP | 66 | 32 | 38 | 70 | 40 | 256 | 16 |1387 // C /
S65 | LAP | 66 | 18 | 27 | 45 | 25 | 209 | 10 |1310 // C /
S66 | LAP | 66 | 31 | 28 | 59 | 24 | 183 | 38 |1198 // C /
S67 | SEA | 66 | 21 | 39 | 60 | 32 | 194 | 24 |1120 // /
S68 | SEA | 66 | 30 | 37 | 67 | 46 | 146 | 22 |1176 // /
S69 | SEA | 66 | 21 | 38 | 59 | 42 | 147 | 28 |1188 // /
S70 | SEA | 66 | 14 | 23 | 37 | 13 | 134 | 32 |1154 // /
S71 | LAP | 66 | 21 | 55 | 55 | -17 | 142 | 22 |1267 // /
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Challenge Cup Playoff Stats
Szn |Team | GP | G | A | P | +/- | Sht | PM | TOI
S56 | LAP | 5 | 1 | 2 | 3 | -6 | 11 | 0 | 111 // A /
S57 | LAP | 6 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 1 | 21 | 0 | 137 // A /
S58 | LAP | 6 | 2 | 2 | 4 | 2 | 11 | 4 | 142 // A /
S59 | LAP | 6 | 1 | 4 | 5 | -2 | 21 | 2 | 150 // A /
S60 | LAP | 6 | 1 | 1 | 2 | -3 | 8 | 0 | 123 // A /
S61 | LAP | 5 | 1 | 3 | 4 | -4 | 15 | 0 | 113 // C /
S62 | LAP | 17 | 8 | 12 | 20 | 13 | 63 | 2 | 390 // C /
S63 | LAP | 22 | 6 | 13 | 19 | 3 | 74 | 0 | 502 // C /
S64 | LAP | 12 | 6 | 6 | 12 | 6 | 59 | 2 | 274 // C /
S65 | LAP | 20 | 3 | 15 | 18 | 19 | 50 | 0 | 413 // C / ⟅ⅬⅩⅤ⟆ CHALLENGE CUP CHAMPION ⟅ⅬⅩⅤ⟆
S66 | LAP | 9 | 2 | 2 | 4 | 1 | 17 | 2 | 173 // C /
S67 | SEA | 23 | 5 | 15 | 20 | 20 | 53 | 6 | 409 // / ⟅ⅬⅩⅤII⟆ CHALLENGE CUP CHAMPION ⟅ⅬⅩⅤII⟆
S68 | SEA | 21 | 6 | 13 | 19 | 16 | 48 | 10 | 418 // / ⟅ⅬⅩⅤIII⟆ CHALLENGE CUP CHAMPION ⟅ⅬⅩⅤIII⟆
S69 | SEA | 16 | 1 | 7 | 8 | 20 | 28 | 4 | 310 // /
S70 | SEA | 13 | 3 | 1 | 4 | 16 | 33 | 4 | 221 // /
S71 | LAP | 12 | 3 | 4 | 7 | 3 | 29 | 4 | 235 // /
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SMJHL Season Stats
Szn |Team | GP | G | A | P | +/- | Sht | PM | TOI
S52 | CAR | 50 | 6 | 8 | 14 | +5 | 63 | 6 | 569 // /
S53 | CAR | 50 | 10 | 20 | 30 | -2 | 125 | 8 | 916 // C /
S54 | CAR | 50 | 24 | 29 | 53 | 20 | 171 | 12 | 943 // C / MVP, Scoring Leader, 1st Team All-SMJHL
S55 | CAR | 50 | 17 | 26 | 43 | 30 | 145 | 10 | 876 // C /
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Four Star Cup Playoff Stats
Szn |Team | GP | G | A | P | +/- | Sht | PM | TOI
S52 | CAR | 11 | 0 | 1 | 1 | -1 | 8 | 2 | 118 // /
S53 | CAR | 4 | 1 | 1 | 2 | -3 | 7 | 0 | 75 // C /
S54 | CAR | 20 | 5 | 9 | 14 | 3 | 60 | 4 | 419 // C / FOUR STAR CUP CHAMPIONS
S55 | CAR | 11 | 5 | 5 | 10 | 4 | 28 | 4 | 203 // C /
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WJC Stats
Szn |Team | GP | G | A | P | +/- | Sht | PM | TOI
S51 |PRWR | 19 | 4 | 8 | 12 | -6 | 45 | 4 | 357 // M / Andani Award Nominee
S52 |DACH | 15 | 1 | 1 | 2 | -2 | 8 | 2 | 100 // M /
S53 |DACH | 13 | 4 | 3 | 7 | -2 | 21 | 0 | 186 // /
S54 |DACH | 13 | 1 | 1 | 2 | -3 | 16 | 0 | 219 // /
S55 |DACH | 13 | 5 | 4 | 9 | 3 | 28 | 4 | 221 // /
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IIHF Stats
Szn |Team | GP | G | A | P | +/- | Sht | PM | TOI
S54 | AUT | 13 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 121 // /
S55 | AUT | 13 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 7 | 2 | 124 // /
S56 | AUT | 12 | 1 | 3 | 4 | 2 | 13 | 4 | 218 // /
S57 | AUT | 12 | 3 | 2 | 5 | -8 | 30 | 2 | 220 // /
S58 | International hiatus
S59 | International hiatus
S60 | SWE | 14 | 8 | 6 | 14 | 5 | 43 | 6 | 221 // / IIHF BRONZE
S61 | SWE | 13 | 5 | 10 | 15 | 1 | 55 | 0 | 228 // /
S62 | SWE | 13 | 0 | 3 | 3 | -11 | 33 | 2 | 192 // C /
S63 | SWE | 13 | 12 | 8 | 20 | 7 | 56 | 0 | 229 // A / TOP FORWARD AWARD
S64 | SWE | 15 | 7 | 6 | 13 | 11 | 39 | 0 | 239 // / IIHF SILVER
S65 | SWE | 12 | 2 | 4 | 6 | -3 | 21 | 6 | 183 // /
S66 | SWE | 15 | 5 | 4 | 9 | 2 | 33 | 2 | 182 // /
S67 | SWE | 15 | 3 | 10 | 13 | 11 | 22 | 0 | 200 // /
S68 | SWE | 15 | 7 | 3 | 10 | 7 | 21 | 6 | 198 // / ⟅1st⟆ IIHF GOLD ⟅1st⟆
S69 | SWE | 15 | 5 | 2 | 7 | 4 | 19 | 6 | 198 // / IIHF SILVER
S70 | SWE | 13 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 2 | 16 | 6 | 163 // / IIHF SILVER
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Accolades
S51 - WJC - Alex Andani Award Nominee (Top Rookie)
S52 - CAR - Jordan Nugent Hall Award for the Most Dedicated Player
S52 - CAR - Alonzo Garbonzo Award for the Top Rookie
S53 - CAR - Named Captain
S53 - SMJHL - Eastern Conference All Star
S53 - CAR - Kain Webb Award for Team Leadership
S53 - CAR - Cristoph Klose Award for the Top Forward
S53 - CAR - Michael Fitted Award for Team Values
S54 - SMJHL - Eastern Conference All Star
S54 - CAR - Kain Webb Award for Team Leadership
S54 - CAR - Cristoph Klose Award for the Top Forward
S54 - CAR - Kurtis Hunter Award for the Team's MVP
S54 - SMJHL - 1st Team All-League
S54 - SMJHL - Jared Hanson Award (Scoring Champ)
S54 - SMJHL - Ideen Fallah Trophy (Committee MVP)
S54 - SMJHL - Zach Miller Trophy Finalist (Most Dedicated)
S54 - SMJHL - Elias Armia Award (Commisioner's Award of Excellence)
S54 - SMJHL - ★★★★ FOUR STAR CUP CHAMPION ★★★★
S55 - SMJHL - Eastern Conference All Star
S55 - CAR - Jordan Nugent Hall Award for the Most Dedicated Player
S55 - SMJHL - Zach Miller Trophy Finalist (Most Dedicated)
S56 - LAP - Named Alternate Captain
S58 - SHL - Damien Littleton Winner (Most Dedicated)
S60 - SWE - Bronze Medal
S61 - LAP - Named Captain
S62 - LAP - Phillip Winter Award (Team MVP)
S62 - SHL - 2nd Team All-SHL
S62 - SHL - Aidan Richan Award Finalist (Most Improved Player)
S62 - SHL - Ron Mexico Award Finalist (MVP)
S62 - SWE - Named Captain
S63 - LAP - Western Conference Champions
S62 - IIHF - Top Forward Award
S64 - SWE - Silver Medal
S65 - LAP - Western Conference Champions
S65 - LAP - ⟅ⅬⅩⅤ⟆ CHALLENGE CUP CHAMPION ⟅ⅬⅩⅤ⟆
S67 - SEA - Western Conference Champions
S67 - SEA - ⟅ⅬⅩⅤII⟆ CHALLENGE CUP CHAMPION ⟅ⅬⅩⅤII⟆
S68 - SEA - Western Conference Champions
S68 - SEA - ⟅ⅬⅩⅤIII⟆ CHALLENGE CUP CHAMPION ⟅ⅬⅩⅤIII⟆
S68 - SWE - ⟅1st⟆ IIHF GOLD MEDAL ⟅1st⟆
S69 - SWE - Silver Medal
S70 - SWE - Silver Medal
Chris Conner || Carolina Kraken || General Manager
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S54 | CAR | Coach | 32-13-5 | 69 pts | 3rd in reg season, ★★★★ FOUR STAR CUP CHAMPION ★★★★
S55 | CAR | CoGM | 37-12-1 | 75 pts | 2nd in reg season
S56 | CAR | GM | 31-17-2 | 64 pts | 2nd in reg season
S57 | CAR | GM | 26-32-8 | 60 pts |
S58 | CAR | GM | 26-39-1 | 53 pts |
S59 | CAR | GM | 32-30-4 | 68 pts |
S60 | CAR | GM | 36-26-4 | 76 pts | Division title
S61 | CAR | GM | 42-20-4 | 88 pts | Division title
S62 | CAR | GM | 41-20-5 | 87 pts | Division title
S63 | CAR | GM | 39-26-1 | 79 pts |
S64 | CAR | GM | 22-36-8 | 52 pts |
S65 | CAR | GM | 29-32-5 | 63 pts |
S66 | CAR | GM | 20-40-6 | 46 pts |
S67 | CAR | GM | 24-36-6 | 54 pts |
S68 | CAR | GM | 43-22-1 | 87 pts | 2nd in reg season, postseason under protest
S69 | CAR | GM | 37-26-3 | 77 pts |
S70 | CAR | GM | 30-31-5 | 65 pts |
S71 | CAR | GM | 34-28-4 | 72 pts |
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S56 | LAP | Offseason Interim GM
S68 | CAR | GM of the Year Nominee