I like the idea too. Though every Dummy player's name should have something like (CPU) or (***) or something to identify them as Dummy players in the index easily.
I also think that there should be a limit on dummy players (first come first serve). It would change with every season, I'd imagine. We know there is some strategy from the GMs that deal with the less players. We don't want to completely destroy that by giving them a plethora of players. If the limit was done so this level of strategizing was done and the low amount of players is solved, then good for all.
Ultimately, this is not a permanent solution, just a temporary one that can be helpful when recruiting quotas run short. If we want to make a permanent fix for this, we have to go a different route. The recruiting pool is drying up and becoming considerably unreliable and unpredictable. There are only so many people on the internet who would even qualify as being potentially interested in this sort of niche community, let alone be interested enough to stick around. This was an issue I saw coming before I left before, really. It even happened to an extent before I left (though people loved to stop saying it was an issue as soon as we got a random really good recruiting turnout). We need to take steps to promote a more self-sustaining league, rather than relying on recuits so heavily.
Yea just give the dummies 155 TPE and they aren´t allowed to get better in terms of trainng. So they stay on 155 TPE forever.
Every SHL/NWJHL could be allowed to create such a dummie in a special dummiesection in the NWJHL area.
After the NWJHL draft we can see how many CPU players each team have and then we are starting a dummiedraft, maybe in the reverse ranking then the NWJHL draft.
We also can make rules that dummies can only play in bottom 6 lines and arent allowed to play over juniors.
The dummies are more individual like CPU players (they are all the same) and it doesn´t look so dump when you looking through the scoresheets and you see some CPU names there, I always hate that.
Plus we could add these dummies to the olympicsidea to make sure that the small countries can get enough players.
Quote:Originally posted by joecool37@Jul 1 2012, 10:34 AM Yea just give the dummies 155 TPE and they aren´t allowed to get better in terms of trainng. So they stay on 155 TPE forever.
Every SHL/NWJHL could be allowed to create such a dummie in a special dummiesection in the NWJHL area.
After the NWJHL draft we can see how many CPU players each team have and then we are starting a dummiedraft, maybe in the reverse ranking then the NWJHL draft.
We also can make rules that dummies can only play in bottom 6 lines and arent allowed to play over juniors.
The dummies are more individual like CPU players (they are all the same) and it doesn´t look so dump when you looking through the scoresheets and you see some CPU names there, I always hate that.
Plus we could add these dummies to the olympicsidea to make sure that the small countries can get enough players.
That basically sums everything up that I was looking for
Quote:Originally posted by joecool37@Jul 1 2012, 05:34 AM Yea just give the dummies 155 TPE and they aren´t allowed to get better in terms of trainng. So they stay on 155 TPE forever.
Every SHL/NWJHL could be allowed to create such a dummie in a special dummiesection in the NWJHL area.
After the NWJHL draft we can see how many CPU players each team have and then we are starting a dummiedraft, maybe in the reverse ranking then the NWJHL draft.
We also can make rules that dummies can only play in bottom 6 lines and arent allowed to play over juniors.
The dummies are more individual like CPU players (they are all the same) and it doesn´t look so dump when you looking through the scoresheets and you see some CPU names there, I always hate that.
Plus we could add these dummies to the olympicsidea to make sure that the small countries can get enough players.
This idea is interesting and like Theo said, would be a temporary fix. If this needs to be implemented, I suggest using a mixture of everyone's comments. Have the dummies start with less TPE than regular junior players and make them easily identifiable in the sim.
Secondly, I think we should do what we did when we made EEL players come into the NWJHL. No dummy can play at a higher position than a junior. With the EEL, this was a problem because players trained a full season so GMs wouldn't draft forwards and would just play EEL forwards top minutes. However, if dummies start with less TPE, then a GM would still want a junior playing on his team, and the draft becomes strategic again.
I know most of this was said, just giving my 2 cents.
Last time we brought in the EELers to fill the holes instead of dummies which should have gone better we had the worst NWJHL season and draft class we've ever seen. I DO NOT plan on bringing in dummy players, especially because we just reduced the number of NWJHL teams.
Quote:Originally posted by ♕Wadey♕™@Jul 3 2012, 05:35 PM Last time we brought in the EELers to fill the holes instead of dummies which should have gone better we had the worst NWJHL season and draft class we've ever seen. I DO NOT plan on bringing in dummy players, especially because we just reduced the number of NWJHL teams.
I thought it became clear throughout the thread that this is supposed to be something completely different then when we allowed the EELers in the NWJHL?
I'm at work and can't give you a full response but no matter how you break it down its still a similar solution to a problem we've already fixed. There is no substitute for quality, with the recent changes made we now have to recruit less people and have fuller NWJHL teams, not to mention that merely a week after the season has ended we've already got almost 2/3 of the players we will need to give each NWJHL team 6 forwards, 4 dmen, and a goalie, when you add send-downs and FAs on top of that, we won't need dummy players which I'm not really comfortable in using nor would I like to use them. Its a great idea in theory but I don't see it paying the same dividends as just recruiting our hearts out, and I don't like to see the focus off the actual NWJHLers.
I don't get why so many people seem to think that dummy players are meant as a substitute for good recruiting? Of course Recruiting always has to come first and if we don't need any dummy-players because the teams are already full, I'll be very happy! And obviously they aren't meant to take the focus away from the real juniors, they won't even be real players, won't improve throughout the season etc.
But if you think teams will be able to ice like 3 full lines without dummy players then I'm fine with that and of course hope it works out
Same thing as I said last season, this would only be an absolute last resort. And I believe by the end of the NWJHL that all teams will be able to play at least 3 lines of real players considering with our current recruiting goal alone they have a full 2. Then put send-downs, people who sign up between meeting the recruitment goal and the draft, then FAs after that.
Thanks for the input but I think we're in a position where there's no need for the dummy players at all this season. If things don't go as I expected maybe we re-visit this type of idea but for now its a last resort.
Quote:Originally posted by ♕Wadey♕™@Jul 3 2012, 08:52 AM I'm at work and can't give you a full response but no matter how you break it down its still a similar solution to a problem we've already fixed. There is no substitute for quality, with the recent changes made we now have to recruit less people and have fuller NWJHL teams, not to mention that merely a week after the season has ended we've already got almost 2/3 of the players we will need to give each NWJHL team 6 forwards, 4 dmen, and a goalie, when you add send-downs and FAs on top of that, we won't need dummy players which I'm not really comfortable in using nor would I like to use them. Its a great idea in theory but I don't see it paying the same dividends as just recruiting our hearts out, and I don't like to see the focus off the actual NWJHLers.
So... You'd rather have the possibility of needing boring ass CPU players because you continue to equate the EEL players to the dummy players? I for one don't believe that the EEL experiment was that bad, it's the reason Wastlund is even in the SHL at this moment so for me it wasn't a complete disaster but this whole idea for dummy players is completely different than the EEL experiment. The Dummy players are all on even footing, they don't get any better and they have extremely good flexibility for teams to use and actually give the teams in the league something to build with to pretty much fill the holes. I can't believe you rather have the possibility of prolonging the NWJHL offseason and do exactly what screwed over the past NWJHL season by completely writing off the dummy players without any negotiations on regulations and rules for these dummy players. I don't understand how bringing in less skilled players that actually have names will ruin a season when we had one of our best NWJHL season just now in S8 and WE STILL had to use the boring ass CPU players then too. Completely writing it off shows you aren't being very flexible with suggestions that can HELP the league.
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