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*Wally* · 09-24-2020, 11:49 AM

Also GSAA is the most bullshit stat people use around here.

***HoltzFan10*** · 09-24-2020, 11:54 AM

09-24-2020, 11:49 AMWally Wrote: Also GSAA is the most bullshit stat people use around here.

Not the most, but I agree it can be inaccurate

**RomanesEuntDomus** · 09-24-2020, 11:56 AM

09-24-2020, 11:46 AMBoucherFan12 Wrote:
09-24-2020, 10:21 AMRomanesEuntDomus Wrote: How about you take a step back, take a deep breath and stop riling each other up into some weird conspiracy theory? We don't determine candidates just based on Wins and GAA, this simply isn't true. We look at a whole bunch of stats and do take the teams around people into account as well.

Look, I like Carpy but the fact that he has a ton of TPE should be irrelevant for the Awards. He simply didn't have a very impressive season statistically, which might say something about the problems with this leagues goalie system and infrastructure and also might be due to his teams performance, but he wasn't snubbed from any Awards.

And if we look at Carpy using specifically the stats you mentioned (Save Percentage, Game rating), this is what we find:

6th in Save-Percentage, behind goalies on good teams (MAN, NOLA), bad teams (MIN, BAP) and average teams (NEW)
4th in Game-Rating, a stat that I find kinda questionable btw, but once again he was beaten by goalies on better (NEW) as well as other bad teams (BAP, MIN)
Don't have win shares available to me right now but feel free to share them.

And these are like his best stats, in all other categories he is even further back. These are not GOTY numbers. Tegernako and probably Del Veccio would have a better claim than him. In hindsight Tegernako would probably have deserved a nom but that's about it.
My and Carpy’s win shares were among the highest in the league. Now, that’s not a reason for why either of us should’ve won it. Who I can argue for though is for Markus or for Eller to have won.

Can I also ask what stats you guys used exactly to determine GOTY?

I can't speak for everyone but for me it's Save-Percentage, Wins, GAA, Shutouts, then putting these stats into perspective in regards to team quality. I don't think win-shares are in the stat sheet that we use, otherwise I would happily take them into account as well. Where did you take them from?

I agree that Eller should have won, but that doesn't mean that I think everyone who voted and weighted the criteria differently should is stupid and unable to properly vote on the Awards.

Wawazat · 09-26-2020, 05:58 PM

@honkerrs

Impressive thought provoking piece.

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