01-10-2019, 07:23 PMMack Wrote: I trust Ace and Tommy the most after revealing their roles. I changed my vote yesterday and I am going to change it today.
But did he? I don’t think tommy is the hunter. I think he’s claiming hunter since nobody else did, and he’s been cornered. Why wait this long to show? No reason not to after Stamkos died. And on top of it, his reasoning for shooting SF was flawed. “I wanted to use my shot because I thought I’d get eaten since I was outspoken that day” doesn’t make sense because he didn’t really do anything that outspoken besides switch a bunch of votes, which is what wolves would want.
I think the reason Luke was shaking his head when he died was because maybe he was the hunter. But in reality it made no sense for the hunter not to show himself, and I think Segi died as the hunter, right after he killed StamkosFan. That’s why the hunter never revealed the next day. Pretty convenient for a wolf to lie about.
01-10-2019, 08:29 PM(This post was last modified: 01-10-2019, 08:30 PM by Sean.)
01-10-2019, 08:20 PMJKortesi81 Wrote:
01-10-2019, 07:23 PMMack Wrote: I trust Ace and Tommy the most after revealing their roles. I changed my vote yesterday and I am going to change it today.
But did he? I don’t think tommy is the hunter. I think he’s claiming hunter since nobody else did, and he’s been cornered. Why wait this long to show? No reason not to after Stamkos died. And on top of it, his reasoning for shooting SF was flawed. “I wanted to use my shot because I thought I’d get eaten since I was outspoken that day” doesn’t make sense because he didn’t really do anything that outspoken besides switch a bunch of votes, which is what wolves would want.
I think the reason Luke was shaking his head when he died was because maybe he was the hunter. But in reality it made no sense for the hunter not to show himself, and I think Segi died as the hunter, right after he killed StamkosFan. That’s why the hunter never revealed the next day. Pretty convenient for a wolf to lie about.
Lol you're trying so hard right now. Shaking his head because he's the hunter? But no, it was actually segi, you can't even make up your mind. There's a 2/18 chance it's one of them, and no one in here is fighting against me except you. Conveniently after I called you out as a wolf 3 times.
I said I killed Stamkos because I believed he was something not good AKA Wolf, Turncoat, or Jester.
Judging the quality of my decision doesn't make sense as an argument against me being a hunter. I will admit, probably a bad choice, but I went with it.
You yourself will notice in your analysis of me I want to.push the game forward. Killing stamkosfan is consistent with how I've played this whole game.
This guy is a wolf, it's just a matter if you guys will believe me.or not.
Quite a lot of accusations and suspicious moves now, interesting... Although after alaska tried to turn the suspicion on me, I'm fairly entrenched in keeping my vote for him. Tommy is super fishy too since my post was pretty much the same second as his, and I'm sure he knows that, yet he tries to make it look like my post was a reaction to his where I tried to discredit him or counter his vote.
I think we are getting to the point where we also need to talk about whether it's time for some more important roles to reveal themselves... Most importantly the Seer and the Medium, if they are still alive. Not saying that they should do it, but I think we need to discuss the circumstances under which it would make sense. I'd say once the Seer has found to wolves, he should reveal himself, if he has found none then he should stay hidden. If he has found one then ehhh... depends on how many of the non-wolves he found are still alive I guess, but it's probably better to stay hidden. Of course we could also say that we are confident that the medium is still alive, so even a dead Seer could relay his information to us - but that get's riskier the longer the game goes on. And more generally speaking, at which point would we want the medium to come forward? Only when the Seer and the Escort die, or are there other circumstances where we would want the Medium to expose itself?
When Stamkos was killed I knew the hunter had to be someone who was at least a bit on my side. So I went back and looked for any comments before he died of people agreeing with me and I saw this:
I thought Tommy must have been the Hunter but I wasn't sure, when he came out it just made perfect sense to me.
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It's pretty simple guys, Jkortesi fought for not to reveal the wolf, notice how he words it as revealing the escort though. Very smart manipulation. The game is literally based on informed minority group vs. Not informed majority group. The less info we have as a group the better for the wolves.
I'm not saying everyone who is for not revealing the witch is a wolf, but the wolves have definitely planted that it's the right idea for us.
Whenever there's something that happens advantageous to me (Segj dieing after I fought with him) it's because I'm a wolf, but whenever something happens against me it's because us wolves are being strategic.
They're trying to scare us into submission while they pick us off one-by-one.
01-10-2019, 08:35 PMRomanesEuntDomus Wrote: Quite a lot of accusations and suspicious moves now, interesting... Although after alaska tried to turn the suspicion on me, I'm fairly entrenched in keeping my vote for him. Tommy is super fishy too since my post was pretty much the same second as his, and I'm sure he knows that, yet he tries to make it look like my post was a reaction to his where I tried to discredit him or counter his vote.
I think we are getting to the point where we also need to talk about whether it's time for some more important roles to reveal themselves... Most importantly the Seer and the Medium, if they are still alive. Not saying that they should do it, but I think we need to discuss the circumstances under which it would make sense. I'd say once the Seer has found to wolves, he should reveal himself, if he has found none then he should stay hidden. If he has found one then ehhh... depends on how many of the non-wolves he found are still alive I guess, but it's probably better to stay hidden. Of course we could also say that we are confident that the medium is still alive, so even a dead Seer could relay his information to us - but that get's riskier the longer the game goes on. And more generally speaking, at which point would we want the medium to come forward? Only when the Seer and the Escort die, or are there other circumstances where we would want the Medium to expose itself?
I was less suspicious of your vote and more of the 2nd one right after, I should be more specific, but it was the fact that I was almost instantly outnumbered that was interesting.
Now with more.context I think less of that situation with how hard alaska is fighting against me.
01-10-2019, 08:35 PMRomanesEuntDomus Wrote: Quite a lot of accusations and suspicious moves now, interesting... Although after alaska tried to turn the suspicion on me, I'm fairly entrenched in keeping my vote for him. Tommy is super fishy too since my post was pretty much the same second as his, and I'm sure he knows that, yet he tries to make it look like my post was a reaction to his where I tried to discredit him or counter his vote.
I think we are getting to the point where we also need to talk about whether it's time for some more important roles to reveal themselves... Most importantly the Seer and the Medium, if they are still alive. Not saying that they should do it, but I think we need to discuss the circumstances under which it would make sense. I'd say once the Seer has found to wolves, he should reveal himself, if he has found none then he should stay hidden. If he has found one then ehhh... depends on how many of the non-wolves he found are still alive I guess, but it's probably better to stay hidden. Of course we could also say that we are confident that the medium is still alive, so even a dead Seer could relay his information to us - but that get's riskier the longer the game goes on. And more generally speaking, at which point would we want the medium to come forward? Only when the Seer and the Escort die, or are there other circumstances where we would want the Medium to expose itself?
Once they get two of the ww's I def agree they should reveal. At min then we eliminate half of the ww's and we'll know who to trust if their villager seeings are alive. One is the fuzzy thing, I think as long as the escort is alive they should continue seeing and gather info before revealing.
For the medium, I'm not sure. It's a tough call just cause there is not guarantee that they will be believed off the bat. But if they have key info I'd save it for a "safe" night (assuming escort continues blocking) that way the seer (if alive) can confirm their role. Just my two cents
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01-10-2019, 08:35 PMRomanesEuntDomus Wrote: Quite a lot of accusations and suspicious moves now, interesting... Although after alaska tried to turn the suspicion on me, I'm fairly entrenched in keeping my vote for him. Tommy is super fishy too since my post was pretty much the same second as his, and I'm sure he knows that, yet he tries to make it look like my post was a reaction to his where I tried to discredit him or counter his vote.
I think we are getting to the point where we also need to talk about whether it's time for some more important roles to reveal themselves... Most importantly the Seer and the Medium, if they are still alive. Not saying that they should do it, but I think we need to discuss the circumstances under which it would make sense. I'd say once the Seer has found to wolves, he should reveal himself, if he has found none then he should stay hidden. If he has found one then ehhh... depends on how many of the non-wolves he found are still alive I guess, but it's probably better to stay hidden. Of course we could also say that we are confident that the medium is still alive, so even a dead Seer could relay his information to us - but that get's riskier the longer the game goes on. And more generally speaking, at which point would we want the medium to come forward? Only when the Seer and the Escort die, or are there other circumstances where we would want the Medium to expose itself?
Once they get two of the ww's I def agree they should reveal. At min then we eliminate half of the ww's and we'll know who to trust if their villager seeings are alive. One is the fuzzy thing, I think as long as the escort is alive they should continue seeing and gather info before revealing.
For the medium, I'm not sure. It's a tough call just cause there is not guarantee that they will be believed off the bat. But if they have key info I'd save it for a "safe" night (assuming escort continues blocking) that way the seer (if alive) can confirm their role. Just my two cents
There's not some magic truth serum once you die, people who are dead can say they're not werewolves
Tommy is really swaying me on this and made some good points about why what Joe was saying about him didn't make any sense.
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01-10-2019, 08:35 PMMack Wrote: When Stamkos was killed I knew the hunter had to be someone who was at least a bit on my side. So I went back and looked for any comments before he died of people agreeing with me and I saw this:
I thought Tommy must have been the Hunter but I wasn't sure, when he came out it just made perfect sense to me.
01-10-2019, 08:20 PMJKortesi81 Wrote: But did he? I don’t think tommy is the hunter. I think he’s claiming hunter since nobody else did, and he’s been cornered. Why wait this long to show? No reason not to after Stamkos died. And on top of it, his reasoning for shooting SF was flawed. “I wanted to use my shot because I thought I’d get eaten since I was outspoken that day” doesn’t make sense because he didn’t really do anything that outspoken besides switch a bunch of votes, which is what wolves would want.
I think the reason Luke was shaking his head when he died was because maybe he was the hunter. But in reality it made no sense for the hunter not to show himself, and I think Segi died as the hunter, right after he killed StamkosFan. That’s why the hunter never revealed the next day. Pretty convenient for a wolf to lie about.
Lol you're trying so hard right now. Shaking his head because he's the hunter? But no, it was actually segi, you can't even make up your mind. There's a 2/18 chance it's one of them, and no one in here is fighting against me except you. Conveniently after I called you out as a wolf 3 times.
I said I killed Stamkos because I believed he was something not good AKA Wolf, Turncoat, or Jester.
Judging the quality of my decision doesn't make sense as an argument against me being a hunter. I will admit, probably a bad choice, but I went with it.
You yourself will notice in your analysis of me I want to.push the game forward. Killing stamkosfan is consistent with how I've played this whole game.
This guy is a wolf, it's just a matter if you guys will believe me.or not.
The thing is, I’m not trying that hard at all.
Yeah, I definitely stumbled across my words, but my point was that maybe Luke or Segi could’ve been the hunter.
Your logic has been chaotic the whole time without reasoning. “I had a feeling so I Shot him” is still terrible play, even if you were the hunter.
You’ve consistently proceeded to only say names and arouse suspicions all over the place. On everyone. And on top of it, you’ve yet to give one good reason on WHY you aided in killing Sleepy, Luke, potentially shooting SF, or even why you’re targeting me.
Meanwhile, I gave a long list of reasons of why you’re a prime suspect for a wolf. Your “feelings” aren’t anything compared to the facts, that anyone here can go back and check on. I’ve done nothing but be outspoken on the smart plays for the village. I’ve onlu voted
The fact that Mack, who’s had EVERYONE suspicious of his play so far, is the one backing you makes me even more confident that not only you’re a wolf, but he might be too.
01-10-2019, 08:47 PMGood_Ole_Kimmy Wrote: Tommy is really swaying me on this and made some good points about why what Joe was saying about him didn't make any sense.
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Everything I said made sense Kimmy, go back and re-read things.
01-10-2019, 09:24 PM(This post was last modified: 01-10-2019, 09:27 PM by Sean.)
01-10-2019, 09:07 PMJKortesi81 Wrote:
01-10-2019, 08:29 PMTommySalami Wrote: Lol you're trying so hard right now. Shaking his head because he's the hunter? But no, it was actually segi, you can't even make up your mind. There's a 2/18 chance it's one of them, and no one in here is fighting against me except you. Conveniently after I called you out as a wolf 3 times.
I said I killed Stamkos because I believed he was something not good AKA Wolf, Turncoat, or Jester.
Judging the quality of my decision doesn't make sense as an argument against me being a hunter. I will admit, probably a bad choice, but I went with it.
You yourself will notice in your analysis of me I want to.push the game forward. Killing stamkosfan is consistent with how I've played this whole game.
This guy is a wolf, it's just a matter if you guys will believe me.or not.
The thing is, I’m not trying that hard at all.
Yeah, I definitely stumbled across my words, but my point was that maybe Luke or Segi could’ve been the hunter.
Your logic has been chaotic the whole time without reasoning. “I had a feeling so I Shot him” is still terrible play, even if you were the hunter.
You’ve consistently proceeded to only say names and arouse suspicions all over the place. On everyone. And on top of it, you’ve yet to give one good reason on WHY you aided in killing Sleepy, Luke, potentially shooting SF, or even why you’re targeting me.
Meanwhile, I gave a long list of reasons of why you’re a prime suspect for a wolf. Your “feelings” aren’t anything compared to the facts, that anyone here can go back and check on. I’ve done nothing but be outspoken on the smart plays for the village. I’ve onlu voted
The fact that Mack, who’s had EVERYONE suspicious of his play so far, is the one backing you makes me even more confident that not only you’re a wolf, but he might be too.
I gave enough logic and reason to switch a vote from me to you lol. I won't argue that killing Stamkos was a bad play, I really wish I kept it to use on you.
You're acting like I killed Luke, anyone else could have removed their votes. If I moved my vote off luke than it would have been Kimmy that was lynched. I stated at the time I was more on Kimmys side than Lukes side and even asked if we had any better targets because I wasn't a fan of killing Luke. However, changing my vote in anyway without the support of others killed Kimmy. I was not the person who nominated Luke.
I believe you're a wolf because you've been strongly in support of concealing info, which IMO goes against the goals of villagers.
You've purposefully misconstrued some of my statements, such as a reminder that quiet people need to not be forgotten as accusations against those players.
Honestly, I can't control Mack, he may be a wolf who is faking support to confuse us, I don't know.
I explained twice that choosing sleepy was to see if I would get a reaction from somebody and I did. That's why I chose to keep my vote on him.
At the end of the day, there's a medium who can say I'm lying, or a Hunter who can say I'm lying. Neither of those things are happening because I'm not lying. You want to take the same chance and say you're something your not? Nope. You're either not going to say anything, or that you're a villager
You only came up with your list that focused almost 100% on me after I accused you. Hopefully everyone reading our convos is able to come to the right conclusions.
Edit: and I really hope the wolves aren't sitting there laughing at us right now.
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