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*fishy* · 03-30-2020, 05:00 PM

03-30-2020, 04:46 PMTommySalami Wrote:
03-30-2020, 04:38 PMDurden Wrote: This makes zero sense, man.

I blocked you, there was no night kill. You still say you're not alpha. That... doesn't compute. Sorry dude. Just a game! :D

I'm not offended, you'll see what I mean eventually I guess. I don't know why it's so hard to believe the wolves would skip one night so you "knew" who the alpha was.

Okay, I’ll bite. Sure, it’s possible. Odds the wolves skip a kill night are low though. The odds he blocked the alpha were minuscule, much lower than the odds a wolf kills an important role like seer, lookout, or doctor. the wolves skipping a kill night thus seems like a horrible play, as hitting the doctor or seer last night would’ve pretty much guaranteed the wolves the win. Imagine how much of a mess the villagers would be in right now if the wolves hit muted last night? All in all, it doesn’t make sense for the wolves to skip, although I appreciate you continuing to play and defend yourself. If I’m proven wrong so be it, but the odds are heavily against you here, and I’ll take the favourable odds every day of the week.

Durden · 03-30-2020, 05:03 PM

I mean, it's a great idea, but no wolf here is playing 5d chess like that.

notoriousTRON · 03-30-2020, 05:04 PM

Let's entertain this for a minute as if it were true.

Durden blocked Tommy and the Wolves chose not to kill. The would be a smart play since the wolves knew the escort would try to block someone and they could just frame whoever he blocked.

At that point Muted can claim seer and rattle off into that we already have. Segi a wolf (he's dead now so what does it matter), Tron and Fish are villagers, TNL as turncoat is the random call out but the real turncloak obviously wouldn't dispute that. Muted knows that it will legitimize his Seer claim to give new information so he gives one that no one would dare dispute.

Am I missing anything here?

Will someone besides the accused wolves and turncloak poke holes in this?

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*Mutedfaith* · 03-30-2020, 05:06 PM

03-30-2020, 04:59 PMTnlAstatine Wrote:
03-30-2020, 04:57 PMTommySalami Wrote: None of you guys care, but Muted, TNL and Fisher are my call for remaing wolves. We've already moved away from TNL because "there's no point in voting for him" and now he's not even fighting it. Look at how fisher has acted since day 1 and don't tell me that's not off given how the jester is now gone and finally Muted for the reasons I gave above.

again, i have explained my position just annoyed people said they are ignoring me when i've clearly done a lot to figure out things for the village.
muted again has been after me day 1 and just a foolish wolf play to keep throwing one under the bus.

i don't think fish is wolf

And how do you explain me pushing Segi as wolf?

Sean · 03-30-2020, 05:07 PM

03-30-2020, 05:00 PMjfisherr Wrote:
03-30-2020, 04:46 PMTommySalami Wrote: I'm not offended, you'll see what I mean eventually I guess. I don't know why it's so hard to believe the wolves would skip one night so you "knew" who the alpha was.
Okay, I’ll bite. Sure, it’s possible. Odds the wolves skip a kill night are low though. The odds he blocked the alpha were minuscule, much lower than the odds a wolf kills an important role like seer, lookout, or doctor. the wolves skipping a kill night thus seems like a horrible play, as hitting the doctor or seer last night would’ve pretty much guaranteed the wolves the win. Imagine how much of a mess the villagers would be in right now if the wolves hit muted last night? All in all, it doesn’t make sense for the wolves to skip, although I appreciate you continuing to play and defend yourself. If I’m proven wrong so be it, but the odds are heavily against you here, and I’ll take the favourable odds every day of the week.

Wolves just need to bet that Durden doesn't hit the Alpha, 1 in 12 chance pretty much. Then they keep the "Alpha" hostage leaving 1 more wolf out there than expected.

If Durden hits on a wolf they just kill the next time the alpha should be blocked to show that he was wrong and put this whole thing into chaos. It's a great play for the wolves imo.

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TnlAstatine · 03-30-2020, 05:09 PM

03-30-2020, 05:03 PMDurden Wrote: I mean, it's a great idea, but no wolf here is playing 5d chess like that.

100% im not killing anybody last night if i was playing a wolf in this game. 1000% its not even 5d its a simple play if you've played lots of WW
not even lots (i've played like 15 games total) but lots of TOL (which is all text based)

Sean · 03-30-2020, 05:09 PM

03-30-2020, 05:06 PMMutedfaith Wrote:
03-30-2020, 04:59 PMTnlAstatine Wrote: again, i have explained my position just annoyed people said they are ignoring me when i've clearly done a lot to figure out things for the village.
muted again has been after me day 1 and just a foolish wolf play to keep throwing one under the bus.

i don't think fish is wolf
And how do you explain me pushing Segi as wolf?

I pushed Segi as a wolf and could have voted to break the tie and stop him from being killed, but I didn't because I'm not a wolf. Look at the votes.

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Nhamlet · 03-30-2020, 05:09 PM

So it sounds like the plan is dayude is out for tonight, doc protects mute and his claim as seer. Wolves will go after Dundern who can't block and probably might not block anybody in fear of hitting the doc.

TnlAstatine · 03-30-2020, 05:10 PM

03-30-2020, 05:04 PMnotoriousTRON Wrote: Let's entertain this for a minute as if it were true.

Durden blocked Tommy and the Wolves chose not to kill. The would be a smart play since the wolves knew the escort would try to block someone and they could just frame whoever he blocked.

At that point Muted can claim seer and rattle off into that we already have. Segi a wolf (he's dead now so what does it matter), Tron and Fish are villagers, TNL as turncoat is the random call out but the real turncloak obviously wouldn't dispute that. Muted knows that it will legitimize his Seer claim to give new information so he gives one that no one would dare dispute.

Am I missing anything here?

Will someone besides the accused wolves and turncloak poke holes in this?

notorious tron knowing exactly whats going on. glad somebody is following along with this mess.

TnlAstatine · 03-30-2020, 05:12 PM

03-30-2020, 05:06 PMMutedfaith Wrote:
03-30-2020, 04:59 PMTnlAstatine Wrote: again, i have explained my position just annoyed people said they are ignoring me when i've clearly done a lot to figure out things for the village.
muted again has been after me day 1 and just a foolish wolf play to keep throwing one under the bus.

i don't think fish is wolf
And how do you explain me pushing Segi as wolf?

i don't EXACTLY recall this?? I have pushed segi as wolf from the get go?
might have followed along with me

again not knowing he was a wolf when we lynched is really hard im used to WW games showing roles when dead. (unless specific rules against certain things)

Durden · 03-30-2020, 05:14 PM

03-30-2020, 05:04 PMnotoriousTRON Wrote: Let's entertain this for a minute as if it were true.

Durden blocked Tommy and the Wolves chose not to kill. The would be a smart play since the wolves knew the escort would try to block someone and they could just frame whoever he blocked.

At that point Muted can claim seer and rattle off into that we already have. Segi a wolf (he's dead now so what does it matter), Tron and Fish are villagers, TNL as turncoat is the random call out but the real turncloak obviously wouldn't dispute that. Muted knows that it will legitimize his Seer claim to give new information so he gives one that no one would dare dispute.

Am I missing anything here?

Will someone besides the accused wolves and turncloak poke holes in this?

The biggest hole is no wolf is going to not take a chance at night. You never know what will happen, and they're NOT playing that far ahead.

It's like a seer would be willing to not 'seer' in case the lookout spied on them or something silly. It just doesn't make any sense.

Like I said, very well played strategy by Tommy and TNL.

Also, I said I was blocking someone in the forums. I only secretly changed it, and changed it more than once. I went from Tommy to Muted, back to Tommy. I felt bad PMing Mook so much.

So, wolves likely would've thought I was escorting whomever I said in here, rather than someone based on my hunch.

*fishy* · 03-30-2020, 05:15 PM

03-30-2020, 05:04 PMnotoriousTRON Wrote: Let's entertain this for a minute as if it were true.

Durden blocked Tommy and the Wolves chose not to kill. The would be a smart play since the wolves knew the escort would try to block someone and they could just frame whoever he blocked.

At that point Muted can claim seer and rattle off into that we already have. Segi a wolf (he's dead now so what does it matter), Tron and Fish are villagers, TNL as turncoat is the random call out but the real turncloak obviously wouldn't dispute that. Muted knows that it will legitimize his Seer claim to give new information so he gives one that no one would dare dispute.

Am I missing anything here?

Will someone besides the accused wolves and turncloak poke holes in this?

No, this is exactly the correct line of thinking we should consider. Would be an elite wolf move to make. I’m trying to get @TnlAstatine to make any claim but all he keeps saying is that he was trying to help which is to be expected, it’s not like he’s gonna admit he’s the turncoat, but damnit tell me who u are Luff!!!

I think I know who doc is atm but gonna keep that to myself.

I think Muted is indeed the Seer, making that claim is waaaay too bold as it could easily be disputed and backfire, exactly like Segi’s did, and he was first to vote for Segi I believe.

If Tommy is indeed not alpha and the wolves made a huge play, who do we think is the alpha?

*Mutedfaith* · 03-30-2020, 05:15 PM

03-30-2020, 05:07 PMTommySalami Wrote:
03-30-2020, 05:00 PMjfisherr Wrote: Okay, I’ll bite. Sure, it’s possible. Odds the wolves skip a kill night are low though. The odds he blocked the alpha were minuscule, much lower than the odds a wolf kills an important role like seer, lookout, or doctor. the wolves skipping a kill night thus seems like a horrible play, as hitting the doctor or seer last night would’ve pretty much guaranteed the wolves the win. Imagine how much of a mess the villagers would be in right now if the wolves hit muted last night? All in all, it doesn’t make sense for the wolves to skip, although I appreciate you continuing to play and defend yourself. If I’m proven wrong so be it, but the odds are heavily against you here, and I’ll take the favourable odds every day of the week.

Wolves just need to bet that Durden doesn't hit the Alpha, 1 in 12 chance pretty much. Then they keep the "Alpha" hostage leaving 1 more wolf out there than expected.

If Durden hits on a wolf they just kill the next time the alpha should be blocked to show that he was wrong and put this whole thing into chaos. It's a great play for the wolves imo.

Not a 1 in 12 chance, more like a 1 in 5.
And still, the wolves had a better chance of killing a villager with a useful role.

Sean · 03-30-2020, 05:20 PM

03-30-2020, 05:14 PMDurden Wrote:
03-30-2020, 05:04 PMnotoriousTRON Wrote: Let's entertain this for a minute as if it were true.

Durden blocked Tommy and the Wolves chose not to kill. The would be a smart play since the wolves knew the escort would try to block someone and they could just frame whoever he blocked.

At that point Muted can claim seer and rattle off into that we already have. Segi a wolf (he's dead now so what does it matter), Tron and Fish are villagers, TNL as turncoat is the random call out but the real turncloak obviously wouldn't dispute that. Muted knows that it will legitimize his Seer claim to give new information so he gives one that no one would dare dispute.

Am I missing anything here?

Will someone besides the accused wolves and turncloak poke holes in this?

The biggest hole is no wolf is going to not take a chance at night. You never know what will happen, and they're NOT playing that far ahead.

It's like a seer would be willing to not 'seer' in case the lookout spied on them or something silly. It just doesn't make any sense.

Like I said, very well played strategy by Tommy and TNL.

Also, I said I was blocking someone in the forums. I only secretly changed it, and changed it more than once. I went from Tommy to Muted, back to Tommy. I felt bad PMing Mook so much.

So, wolves likely would've thought I was escorting whomever I said in here, rather than someone based on my hunch.

Last game we had the wolves by the balls in this exact same scenario, it's not too crazy to try and fake the situation again. There's not too much point sitting here arguing though. I don't think I'm going to change your mind. Just remember there was a 1/11 or 12 chance you would catch the alpha with your power and you did it, how convenient!

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Sean · 03-30-2020, 05:23 PM

03-30-2020, 05:15 PMMutedfaith Wrote:
03-30-2020, 05:07 PMTommySalami Wrote: Wolves just need to bet that Durden doesn't hit the Alpha, 1 in 12 chance pretty much. Then they keep the "Alpha" hostage leaving 1 more wolf out there than expected.

If Durden hits on a wolf they just kill the next time the alpha should be blocked to show that he was wrong and put this whole thing into chaos. It's a great play for the wolves imo.
Not a 1 in 12 chance, more like a 1 in 5.
And still, the wolves had a better chance of killing a villager with a useful role.

There was 12 other players other than Durden, Segi was dead and he saw RED and Fisher. So more like 1/10 I'm sorry. If he catches a wolf that doesn't matter. He needs to catch the alpha.

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