Create Account

The great NEW/SEA shitshow saga of S41

Quote:Originally posted by Samee@May 7 2018, 08:57 PM

they offered the 5th about 20 minutes after I retired. whats the fucking point if ive already lost most of the tpe i gained that season.

like I said, it is as good as it is going to get

[Image: g7VtVXX.png?1]

[Image: Z8YSDad.gif]

[Image: crutchfield.gif]
Reply

Quote:Originally posted by Torbvo@May 7 2018, 11:50 PM
I don't really think it's the responsibility of the GM's around the league to be nice to Samee and let his eligible player slide towards the end of the draft.  We're trying to be competitive and acquire the best resources we can. At that point in the draft, we wanted a 2nd from a future draft more than the available players. Samee had a few warnings that his player would be selected before Seattle's pick, and he decided to risk it by not using either of his 1sts. NEW wastes a 2nd, Samee wastes 2 months of his time.

It's the responsibilities of GMs to do what's best for their teams, and throwing away a pick is not that. You talk about warnings, but Samee made it pretty clear he was going to retire if anyone's took him. He wasn't going to waste a 1st on himself, no sane GM would when there's another's option. You were never gonna get a 2nd out of Samee, certainly not after you just pissed him off by taking his player.

[Image: symmetrik.gif]




Prince George Firebirds GM (S34-S36)
Toronto North Stars GM (S37-S43)
[Image: symmshl.gif]
Reply

Quote:Originally posted by crutch@May 7 2018, 07:56 PM


why didn't you, if you don't mind me asking?
RaIN told me that's scummy and I said so?

anyway I think we agreed that there were other good players like CFJ and Zombie who are still available... begrudgingly because I REALLY WANTED TO DO IT

[Image: ne80va.png]
[Image: cynthia.png]

Thanks to Enigmatic and Crutch for the beautiful signatures
[Image: Niz2wua.png][Image: egAspOO.png]

Reply

Quote:Originally posted by crutch@May 7 2018, 10:57 PM


like I said, it is as good as it is going to get
dont see the point in making the deal when the seasons basically gone. just makes more sense just to recreate. Besides I said multiple times in the gm office that ill recreate if anyone tries pulling this. NEW is just wasting their pick to fuck with me and thats it
Reply

If this is any other members (who is a GM/co-gm but hasn't hit the minimum season threshold) player this doesn't happen. End of story.

[Image: insayne.gif]
Reply

Quote:Originally posted by Torbvo@May 7 2018, 10:50 PM
I don't really think it's the responsibility of the GM's around the league to be nice to Samee and let his eligible player slide towards the end of the draft.  We're trying to be competitive and acquire the best resources we can. At that point in the draft, we wanted a 2nd from a future draft more than the available players. Samee had a few warnings that his player would be selected before Seattle's pick, and he decided to risk it by not using either of his 1sts. NEW wastes a 2nd, Samee wastes 2 months of his time.
No offense but how is anyone supposed to believe this when WKP was actively offering a Reddit 2nd for picks in that range, subsequently trading it for a pick lower than the one you used on Samee

[Image: sIjpJeQ.png]
[Image: KPt6Yuu.png]





Reply

Quote:Originally posted by crutch@May 7 2018, 10:56 PM


why didn't you, if you don't mind me asking?
IIRC having been close with JT at the time, JT literally went and messaged GMs picking before. He didn't say he'd retire or anything, there were no threats to be had. You're looking for them to help you. So he asked them to pass. It may not have been every GM exactly, but I remember him reaching out to a lot of them to say he promises to take his own player with his first available pick and simply doesn't have an earlier opportunity and if he doesn't pick himself, they're free to take him. He wasn't threatening people he'd retire and trying to be big and tough about it, he went with his tail between his legs knowing what the possibilities were.

An old man's dream ended. A young man's vision of the future opened wide. Young men have visions, old men have dreams. But the place for old men to dream is beside the fire.
[Image: DOF5tXM.png]
[Image: tjyuut.jpg] 
Thanks to Jackson, Copenhagen, and Harry Hans!

GOING DOWN IN STYLE. TOAST4LYFE
Reply

I mean I laughed

[Image: Jepox.gif]
Reply

Quote:Originally posted by Jepox@May 8 2018, 04:03 AM
I mean I laughed
Says the man who retired on samee to create the greatest hockey player who has ever graced this planet. Shaq Ninja



All-time New England Wolfpack scorer
[Image: Derisraka.png]
[Image: 38718_s.png]
[Image: rW2c4Vz.png][Image: B4x6AQm.png]
[Image: YztPk3T.png] [Image: 6by0kBi.png]
Reply

Quote:Originally posted by crutch@May 7 2018, 10:54 PM


I respectfully disagree. The last time that this happened was in S33 when JT was named interim GM of the Blizzard in the off-season before the draft, and he selected himself at 25 OA in that draft. The main difference between this situation and that situation is that the GM didn't pass on himself twice before selecting himself. Mind you, that draft was also a little bit stronger[b] (shoutout zombiewolf and crossfit for being two late steals in that draft).

[/b]

Wew getting a shoutout from Crutch. My life is now complete :-x

[Image: blurrybad.jpg] [Image: zomboy3.png]
Thank you Brandon, Fish, GeckoeyGecko, Karey, Kit, takethehorizon, and Ragnar for the sigs!
[Image: Pw202QP.jpeg]


Player Page || Update page
Reply

Quote:Originally posted by Samee@May 7 2018, 08:58 PM

dont see the point in making the deal when the seasons basically gone. just makes more sense just to recreate. Besides I said multiple times in the gm office that ill recreate if anyone tries pulling this. NEW is just wasting their pick to fuck with me and thats it

you do realise that you wouldn't have made it to your 3rd pick had NEW not taken you, correct? If it wasn't NEW it was going to be some other team.

Ultimately -- nobody retired yourself except for you, so I'm not sure why you're using that as an excuse to not take the trade. I understand why you wouldn't, but I don't understand the mentality of the season "being gone" from a decision that you made. I am sympathetic to your situation but playing hardball backfired on you.

sorry if that sounds overly harsh

[Image: g7VtVXX.png?1]

[Image: Z8YSDad.gif]

[Image: crutchfield.gif]
Reply

Quote:Originally posted by crutch@May 7 2018, 11:54 PM


I respectfully disagree. The last time that this happened was in S33 when JT was named interim GM of the Blizzard in the off-season before the draft, and he selected himself at 25 OA in that draft. The main difference between this situation and that situation is that the GM didn't pass on himself twice before selecting himself. Mind you, that draft was also a little bit stronger (shoutout zombiewolf and crossfit for being two late steals in that draft).

I think that there is a massive difference in that, expecting the rest of your GMs to play nice -- on what at the end of the day is an unfortunate mistake from SEA management (when Rice stepped down and named Samee as interim). Passing on yourself twice, knowing that other teams could select your player is (to me) taking the other GMs for granted and really asking for a lot. You have 26 other minds to think about when you pass on your player and let more picks go by. Was it a harsh move from NEW? Yes, but there was a lot that Samee could have done in order to get his player back, or prevent the entire situation from happening since he did not find out as a spurt of the moment thing.

I think NEW offering a 5th plus his player for a 5th is as good as it's going to get. Samee looks like an idiot for losing 2 months of his time, NEW looks like a harsh organisation. It's not a bright situation for the league as a whole, but I don't think that the GMs of NEW are in the wrong for selecting his player, as he was warned multiple times that his player would be selected.

It's a rough situation all around but those are just my $0.02.

Yeah, that's the most comparable situation, and no one else took his player. Everyone else respected that he was following the co-GM rule of using his earliest 2nd rounder, which by all signs, Samee was going to do.

At that point offering anything was too late, Samee had already retired and was going to lose TPE, there's no point in doing it, follow through and start a new player and take your free player.

Samee may have been warned, but he pretty clearly warned everybody that he would retire if he wasn't picked by anyone else.

If he had passed with his earliest 2nd, I would been fine with this, that's on him for not following the co-GM protocol. I don't agree with other teams trying to force Samee to use a 1st on himself because he's young and they think he'll fall for it.

[Image: symmetrik.gif]




Prince George Firebirds GM (S34-S36)
Toronto North Stars GM (S37-S43)
[Image: symmshl.gif]
Reply

Quote:Originally posted by Zombiewolf@May 7 2018, 09:05 PM


Wew getting a shoutout from Crutch. My life is now complete  :-x

[Image: 4evnZ.gif]

[Image: g7VtVXX.png?1]

[Image: Z8YSDad.gif]

[Image: crutchfield.gif]
Reply

Quote:Originally posted by Kevin "Juice" Bieksa@May 7 2018, 10:04 PM

Says the man who retired on samee to create the greatest hockey player who has ever graced this planet. Shaq Ninja
Still no regrets

[Image: Jepox.gif]
Reply

Quote:Originally posted by Symmetrik@May 7 2018, 09:05 PM


Yeah, that's the most comparable situation, and no one else took his player. Everyone else respected that he was following the co-GM rule of using his earliest 2nd rounder, which by all signs, Samee was going to do.

At that point offering anything was too late, Samee had already retired and was going to lose TPE, there's no point in doing it, follow through and start a new player and take your free player.

Samee may have been warned, but he pretty clearly warned everybody that he would retire if he wasn't picked by anyone else.

If he had passed with his earliest 2nd, I would been fine with this, that's on him for not following the co-GM protocol. I don't agree with other teams trying to force Samee to use a 1st on himself because he's young and they think he'll fall for it.

I guess both teams played hardball with each other and both struck out would be an accurate statement then.

[Image: g7VtVXX.png?1]

[Image: Z8YSDad.gif]

[Image: crutchfield.gif]
Reply




Users browsing this thread:
4 Guest(s)




Navigation

 

Extra Menu

 

About us

The Simulation Hockey League is a free online forums based sim league where you create your own fantasy hockey player. Join today and create your player, become a GM, get drafted, sign contracts, make trades and compete against hundreds of players from around the world.