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This is beyond stupid.



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This is incoherent

Seems pretty simple to me. As @Baelor Swift said if you're unsure if what you're about to post will be punished under this rule, then do yourself a favour and don't post it.

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09-15-2018, 07:48 PMGrapehead Wrote: Seems pretty simple to me. As @Baelor Swift said if you're unsure if what you're about to post will be punished under this rule, then do yourself a favour and don't post it.

But that eliminates the thrill of living on the edge


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09-15-2018, 07:53 PMClint Eastwood Wrote:
09-15-2018, 07:48 PMGrapehead Wrote: Seems pretty simple to me. As @Baelor Swift said if you're unsure if what you're about to post will be punished under this rule, then do yourself a favour and don't post it.

But that eliminates the thrill of living on the edge


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09-14-2018, 03:34 PMWally Wrote:           a. Simply using the following words in a sentence, alone, or in images sitewide (including the Thunderdome): N-----, Gay, F----t, F-g and Retard (or any other spelling or severe reference to these words), will be an automatic suspension of both you from the site and your player from the sim itself at the moment it is posted without appeal. Posting of additional vocabulary primarily used to slander various religions, ethnic groups, those with disabilities and sexual designations will leave you vulnerable to the same punishments as listed below on a retroactive basis from 9/14/18, going forward (meaning any word used that is deemed in violation will be added to the list and penalized immediately).

Are you kidding me? Automatically suspended without appeal for simply using the words...this is just not thought out. First of all, gay and retard resulting in an instant suspension? Are you serious right now? Some words I agree should never be used such as the N word with the r but words like gay and retard have uses outside of being used to attack someone. There are acceptable times to say it without offending people who are LGBT (including myself) and there are acceptable ways to use the word retarded without it being used offend mentally challenged people.

There's also nothing about needing context of the entire conversation or the way it is used in the wording of it. People might be using this educationally or in a jesting way to their friends or people also in their community and yet you treat them as all subject to an automatic suspension because HO believes that they are protecting minority groups and creating a "safe space"

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Banning people from saying the word gay is homophobic if you think of it

09-15-2018, 08:00 PMCynthia Wrote:
09-14-2018, 03:34 PMWally Wrote:           a. Simply using the following words in a sentence, alone, or in images sitewide (including the Thunderdome): N-----, Gay, F----t, F-g and Retard (or any other spelling or severe reference to these words), will be an automatic suspension of both you from the site and your player from the sim itself at the moment it is posted without appeal. Posting of additional vocabulary primarily used to slander various religions, ethnic groups, those with disabilities and sexual designations will leave you vulnerable to the same punishments as listed below on a retroactive basis from 9/14/18, going forward (meaning any word used that is deemed in violation will be added to the list and penalized immediately).

Are you kidding me? Automatically suspended without appeal for simply using the words...this is just not thought out. First of all, gay and retard resulting in an instant suspension? Are you serious right now? Some words I agree should never be used such as the N word with the r but words like gay and retard have uses outside of being used to attack someone. There are acceptable times to say it without offending people who are LGBT (including myself) and there are acceptable ways to use the word retarded without it being used offend mentally challenged people.

There's also nothing about needing context of the entire conversation or the way it is used in the wording of it. People might be using this educationally or in a jesting way to their friends or people also in their community and yet you treat them as all subject to an automatic suspension because HO believes that they are protecting minority groups and creating a "safe space"

Well, saying them to friends in jest didn't particularly go well in the thunderdome recently (The replies, not the main subject). However I definitely agree. I feel like anything off site shouldn't be punished with the exception of the main SHL discord. Whatever you say in the SHL team discords should be up to the people in charge of those discords. If they have no tolerance for derogatory words then you get punished accordingly.

When it comes to the words themselves, I don't get how the use of "gay" at all along with other words can be banned entirely. You can be saying it in an educational manner like you said, etc, etc.

I understand that HO is trying to make this a more friendly environment and they're trying to portray the whole "Don't be an asshole" thing which I can get behind, but they can't be worrying about everyone who has the mental resistance of glass.

also if anyone takes away my right to call someone a cunt I will end you

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09-15-2018, 08:00 PMCynthia Wrote:
09-14-2018, 03:34 PMWally Wrote:           a. Simply using the following words in a sentence, alone, or in images sitewide (including the Thunderdome): N-----, Gay, F----t, F-g and Retard (or any other spelling or severe reference to these words), will be an automatic suspension of both you from the site and your player from the sim itself at the moment it is posted without appeal. Posting of additional vocabulary primarily used to slander various religions, ethnic groups, those with disabilities and sexual designations will leave you vulnerable to the same punishments as listed below on a retroactive basis from 9/14/18, going forward (meaning any word used that is deemed in violation will be added to the list and penalized immediately).

Are you kidding me? Automatically suspended without appeal for simply using the words...this is just not thought out. First of all, gay and retard resulting in an instant suspension? Are you serious right now? Some words I agree should never be used such as the N word with the r but words like gay and retard have uses outside of being used to attack someone. There are acceptable times to say it without offending people who are LGBT (including myself) and there are acceptable ways to use the word retarded without it being used offend mentally challenged people.

There's also nothing about needing context of the entire conversation or the way it is used in the wording of it. People might be using this educationally or in a jesting way to their friends or people also in their community and yet you treat them as all subject to an automatic suspension because HO believes that they are protecting minority groups and creating a "safe space"

I'll give you "gay" having appropriate contexts, but what appropriate context does the word "retard" still have?

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09-15-2018, 08:29 PMGrapehead Wrote:
09-15-2018, 08:00 PMCynthia Wrote:
09-14-2018, 03:34 PMWally Wrote:           a. Simply using the following words in a sentence, alone, or in images sitewide (including the Thunderdome): N-----, Gay, F----t, F-g and Retard (or any other spelling or severe reference to these words), will be an automatic suspension of both you from the site and your player from the sim itself at the moment it is posted without appeal. Posting of additional vocabulary primarily used to slander various religions, ethnic groups, those with disabilities and sexual designations will leave you vulnerable to the same punishments as listed below on a retroactive basis from 9/14/18, going forward (meaning any word used that is deemed in violation will be added to the list and penalized immediately).

Are you kidding me? Automatically suspended without appeal for simply using the words...this is just not thought out. First of all, gay and retard resulting in an instant suspension? Are you serious right now? Some words I agree should never be used such as the N word with the r but words like gay and retard have uses outside of being used to attack someone. There are acceptable times to say it without offending people who are LGBT (including myself) and there are acceptable ways to use the word retarded without it being used offend mentally challenged people.

There's also nothing about needing context of the entire conversation or the way it is used in the wording of it. People might be using this educationally or in a jesting way to their friends or people also in their community and yet you treat them as all subject to an automatic suspension because HO believes that they are protecting minority groups and creating a "safe space"

I'll give you "gay" having appropriate contexts, but what appropriate context does the word "retard" still have?

If you can't make a meeting for work then often times you will retard the meeting.

09-15-2018, 08:29 PMGrapehead Wrote: I'll give you "gay" having appropriate contexts, but what appropriate context does the word "retard" still have?
It's a little more limited compared to the word gay but retard was originally a word that according to the dictionary means "to delay or impede the development or progress of" and has unfortunately been more recently used to describe people with mental disabilities. The main instance I can think of is in my nephew's chemistry notes where he wrote XXX can be used as a chemical to retard the spreading of fires.

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09-15-2018, 09:04 PMCynthia Wrote:
09-15-2018, 08:29 PMGrapehead Wrote: I'll give you "gay" having appropriate contexts, but what appropriate context does the word "retard" still have?
It's a little more limited compared to the word gay but retard was originally a word that according to the dictionary means "to delay or impede the development or progress of" and has unfortunately been more recently used to describe people with mental disabilities. The main instance I can think of is in my nephew's chemistry notes where he wrote XXX can be used as a chemical to retard the spreading of fires.

Well I can assure you that I've never in my LIFE seen someone on the SHL use the word in that context. "*****" also means bundle of sticks or whatever, but I doubt anyone would advocate to allow us to continue using that word either. Anyone I've encountered with severe mental disability, or related to someone with those disabilities, the word "retard" makes them feel the same kind of discomfort and disrespect that any other slur might make someone feel. "Gay" is still used as an appropriate term for someone of that sexuality, the definition is still the same. I think people can avoid using the word "retard" altogether without having any trouble expressing their opinions on the spreading of fire.

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09-15-2018, 08:29 PMGrapehead Wrote:
09-15-2018, 08:00 PMCynthia Wrote:
09-14-2018, 03:34 PMWally Wrote:           a. Simply using the following words in a sentence, alone, or in images sitewide (including the Thunderdome): N-----, Gay, F----t, F-g and Retard (or any other spelling or severe reference to these words), will be an automatic suspension of both you from the site and your player from the sim itself at the moment it is posted without appeal. Posting of additional vocabulary primarily used to slander various religions, ethnic groups, those with disabilities and sexual designations will leave you vulnerable to the same punishments as listed below on a retroactive basis from 9/14/18, going forward (meaning any word used that is deemed in violation will be added to the list and penalized immediately).

Are you kidding me? Automatically suspended without appeal for simply using the words...this is just not thought out. First of all, gay and retard resulting in an instant suspension? Are you serious right now? Some words I agree should never be used such as the N word with the r but words like gay and retard have uses outside of being used to attack someone. There are acceptable times to say it without offending people who are LGBT (including myself) and there are acceptable ways to use the word retarded without it being used offend mentally challenged people.

There's also nothing about needing context of the entire conversation or the way it is used in the wording of it. People might be using this educationally or in a jesting way to their friends or people also in their community and yet you treat them as all subject to an automatic suspension because HO believes that they are protecting minority groups and creating a "safe space"

I'll give you "gay" having appropriate contexts, but what appropriate context does the word "retard" still have?

Probably when someone's acting like a retard

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