01-12-2019, 03:29 PMTommySalami Wrote: Guys... It's possible we've been dooped. It's possible.
Remember, Stamkos told Red he was the escort this happened much after, but the wolves might not have attacked night 2 to confuse us. If Stamkos is the escort, that means Atlas isn't. It has been what we've been focusing on this entire time. That would make Alaska not a wolf, and Atlas a wolf. Ml002 has confirmed RED, which he did after RED revealed his role. So RED doesn't need to be involved in this plan. Dangles and Mack confirmed their roles to Ml002, they would need to be in on the plan as well. So we have Dangles, Mack, Atlas and ML as wolves. It's also possible Atlas is the escort and Stamkos is just a TC.
I said before and I'll say again, If we vote for mack, we will 100% determine if he is the mayor. If he is the mayor he saves himself and we continue forth with our plans. If he isn't we should definitely know that because it makes him a wolf and ML a wolf with no doubt.
Current Votes in both situations (my crazy situation)
Pro Wolf:
@ml002
@Dangles13
@Mack
One of @39alaska39 or @"AtlasHunter"
Maybe a TC ( @BadWolf I'd think) If Stamkos is telling the truth
If this situation is true, tonight is the night the wolves win. If we vote for mack, we stop this situation. To prove I'm not making a last-ditch attempt for the wolves, villagers win both ways. (and I won't include myself in pro village)
Pro Wolf
Troy
Potentially myself (but I'm not)
Alaska
Wozy is for sure a wolf in this situation and is dead, Stamkos is a wolf or a TC and is dead
Maybe Stamkos isn't bad and lied for some dumb reason, We'll Say Ace or Kimmy could be a wolf/TC as well.
Pro Villager
Mack (who would survive lynching)
Atlas
Dangles
Ml002
RED
Ace or Kimmy
Even if Mack is Mayor, we have 6 to 4 at ABSOLUTE WORST, that will be dropped to 5 to 4 when the wolves kill someone (most likely Atlas or ML). We would vote Alaska next which would bring us 5 to 3. Atlas either blocks, or ML looks into ACE/Kimmy to figure out who the last wolf is. Wolves Kill someone if Atlas is dead (4 to 3). We kill Ace/Kimmy whichever is revealed as wolf or kill me if you don't trust me 4-2. Wolves kill someone 3-2 Vote out Kimmy/Ace whichever is revealed as wolf, or whichever one is not revealed as villager 3-1. Last wolf kills someone. Two people left kill me if we aren't done, kill me.
It is a guaranteed win if we vote mack tonight.
Edit: messed up my stuff Kill Troy, Followed by Alaska, Followed by ME/Kimmy/Ace, followed by ME/Kimmy/ace
You are massively overthinking this now. Atlas has been blocking Alaska. Alaska hasn't fought back at all. All this does is force Mack to use his power when he doesn't need to
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01-12-2019, 03:39 PM(This post was last modified: 01-12-2019, 03:40 PM by Sean.)
01-12-2019, 03:38 PMml002 Wrote:
01-12-2019, 03:29 PMTommySalami Wrote: Guys... It's possible we've been dooped. It's possible.
Remember, Stamkos told Red he was the escort this happened much after, but the wolves might not have attacked night 2 to confuse us. If Stamkos is the escort, that means Atlas isn't. It has been what we've been focusing on this entire time. That would make Alaska not a wolf, and Atlas a wolf. Ml002 has confirmed RED, which he did after RED revealed his role. So RED doesn't need to be involved in this plan. Dangles and Mack confirmed their roles to Ml002, they would need to be in on the plan as well. So we have Dangles, Mack, Atlas and ML as wolves. It's also possible Atlas is the escort and Stamkos is just a TC.
I said before and I'll say again, If we vote for mack, we will 100% determine if he is the mayor. If he is the mayor he saves himself and we continue forth with our plans. If he isn't we should definitely know that because it makes him a wolf and ML a wolf with no doubt.
Current Votes in both situations (my crazy situation)
Pro Wolf:
@ml002
@Dangles13
@Mack
One of @39alaska39 or @"AtlasHunter"
Maybe a TC ( @BadWolf I'd think) If Stamkos is telling the truth
If this situation is true, tonight is the night the wolves win. If we vote for mack, we stop this situation. To prove I'm not making a last-ditch attempt for the wolves, villagers win both ways. (and I won't include myself in pro village)
Pro Wolf
Troy
Potentially myself (but I'm not)
Alaska
Wozy is for sure a wolf in this situation and is dead, Stamkos is a wolf or a TC and is dead
Maybe Stamkos isn't bad and lied for some dumb reason, We'll Say Ace or Kimmy could be a wolf/TC as well.
Pro Villager
Mack (who would survive lynching)
Atlas
Dangles
Ml002
RED
Ace or Kimmy
Even if Mack is Mayor, we have 6 to 4 at ABSOLUTE WORST, that will be dropped to 5 to 4 when the wolves kill someone (most likely Atlas or ML). We would vote Alaska next which would bring us 5 to 3. Atlas either blocks, or ML looks into ACE/Kimmy to figure out who the last wolf is. Wolves Kill someone if Atlas is dead (4 to 3). We kill Ace/Kimmy whichever is revealed as wolf or kill me if you don't trust me 4-2. Wolves kill someone 3-2 Vote out Kimmy/Ace whichever is revealed as wolf, or whichever one is not revealed as villager 3-1. Last wolf kills someone. Two people left kill me if we aren't done, kill me.
It is a guaranteed win if we vote mack tonight.
Edit: messed up my stuff Kill Troy, Followed by Alaska, Followed by ME/Kimmy/Ace, followed by ME/Kimmy/ace
You are massively overthinking this now. Atlas has been blocking Alaska. Alaska hasn't fought back at all. All this does is force Mack to use his power when he doesn't need to
Why not take the guaranteed win when we can get it?
01-12-2019, 03:36 PMDangles13 Wrote: It isn't a guaranteed win if we vote Mack. We waste a valuable night hanging someone the seer confirmed as Mayor. I appreciate where you are coming from but ML would have to have insane luck to out the roles he has without someone interjecting and foiling his plan.
It is a guaranteed win, if EVERYTHING goes wrong we can't lose if we vote mack tonight.
If we vote Mack they will eat our seer and then we are left blind.
01-12-2019, 03:44 PMTommySalami Wrote: If Seer dies we get to block the wolf, then we can kill both Ace and Kimmy and don't need to worry about either one being a WW.
The plan we have now is faster. Kill Alaska and then block Kimmy. If someone dies then we hang Ace and that will be it.
01-12-2019, 03:47 PMDangles13 Wrote: The plan we have now is faster. Kill Alaska and then block Kimmy. If someone dies then we hang Ace and that will be it.
I'm honestly so confused, if Atlas is a wolf and has made this elaborate plan up then he can't help you as Escort. We lose ML tonight and then it's 2-3 WWs left against a hunter with no ammo, a mayor who hasn't built that damn palisade, like I asked, a knight who hides in his hut, a guy who can talk to the dead and a guy with no useful skills at all.
01-12-2019, 03:48 PMTommySalami Wrote: But we can lose with that plan.
How?
If you, Mack, ML and one of Alaska/Atlas are wolves. ML doesn't have to pull that much trickery. no one is going to believe Alaska if he says he's something different. RED confirmed himself as medium before ML guessed, He then said Badwolf was a Jester which no one would believe if she fought against, He then confirmed Macks and your role. No one can refute yours and at this point and there's a good chance the mayor is dead. If someone else claimed to be the mayor ML has 4/4 guesses right to the outside viewer which lends him much more credibility than a mayor going against his claim. This was the biggest risk of the whole plan IMO if it's true.
Once you have this layed out, everything else is pretty easy to convice us. Now, maybe there's a 1/100 chance this is true. I'd rather make the game play out longer so I have a 100/100 shot of winning than end it quickly for a 99/100.
If you're not wolves you and ML should have no issues with this plan. Yet you both seem to, which is a little odd to me considering no non-wolves are at risk of getting killed by lynching tonight if you're telling the truth.
01-12-2019, 04:02 PM(This post was last modified: 01-12-2019, 04:03 PM by Sean.)
01-12-2019, 04:00 PMDangles13 Wrote: I'm honestly so confused, if Atlas is a wolf and has made this elaborate plan up then he can't help you as Escort. We lose ML tonight and then it's 2-3 WWs left against a hunter with no ammo, a mayor who hasn't built that damn palisade, like I asked, a knight who hides in his hut, a guy who can talk to the dead and a guy with no useful skills at all.
At that point all we need is votes, abilities don't matter anymore.
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