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nour · 01-08-2020, 09:38 AM

01-08-2020, 09:37 AMdankoa Wrote: HO is fucked for giving a new enthusiastic, qualified GM a chance over someone with a notoriously spotty GM record when will they learn!!!

Fire them all! The ProGibbles bias is so clear here SHL HO does nothing but sit in their fancy new fangled discord and talk about how cool Gibbles is

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dylanjj37 · 01-08-2020, 09:38 AM

01-08-2020, 09:31 AMCapt_Blitzkrieg Wrote: That could be interesting for transparency. When a hire is posted, publish a list of the responses (or even the top 5 in the case of highly sought-after roles) and a short comment on why they were/were not chosen.

Time consuming, probably, but transparent and interesting.

How would this be time consuming? They already have the comments. Unless they need more time to make up an acceptable excuse?

This would be a very good idea though.

***WannabeFinn*** · 01-08-2020, 09:40 AM

01-08-2020, 09:37 AMnour Wrote: SHL HO is cool until they do something I don’t like and then theyre biased bullies who faked the moon landing and hate veteran members obviously

SHL HO DOESN’T WEAR POPPIES

jRuutu · 01-08-2020, 09:41 AM

01-08-2020, 09:15 AMAcsolap Wrote:
01-08-2020, 09:06 AMjRuutu Wrote: The point was on him never going through these bumps on the road with his own player. I´m sure he was/is a good candidate, but I don´t believe for a second that McZ was not the right man for the job.

Of course Spartan has recommendations, his friends are sitting in the HO, you included. Conflict of interest in my eyes and surely there has to be some value on the fact that McZ has applied for these jobs more than once before with a strong application? If not, why not just tell him he is never going to get hired? You guys bullies - simple as that.

Guy has been fired. Twice. How many GM's have been fired in shl history? Two? Maybe if he wanted to prove that he had changed and could put the needs of them team before himself he wouldn't have played himself first pairing with the lowest tpe d man on the team?

Just because you don't like something doesnt mean that it's bullying. Yelling about an HO conspiracy just makes you look like a nut when anyone with common sense could see the way the wind was blowing on this one.

You fail to understand that McZ has applied for these job before, everytime he has been denied. At what point that is more than just part of the game, IF YOU ARE NEVER GOING TO HIRE HIM - SAY IT. Don´t keep handing out false hope to more than qualified member who clearly wants to run a team, but you keep taking others over him. Ridiculous.

You want to give chances to fresh GM´s, but refuse to give fresh chances to members who have been GM´s before.

***bluesfan55*** · 01-08-2020, 09:44 AM

01-08-2020, 09:33 AMjRuutu Wrote:
01-08-2020, 09:29 AMWannabeFinn Wrote: Wat

Dude didn’t say he was personally going for a job

This, but worrying to me if the feeling in the league now is that we need to go to juniors to win championships, then use them as main achievements when going for SHL GM job. What was the point of juniors again?

to get experience but also to win
gibbles is a proven juniors GM, so what if he has “no SHL experience and hasn’t regressed a player before”? he probably had the best application and he’s clearly well-liked in Minnesota

ty to @High Stick King @EvilAllBran and @Ragnar for the sigs

nour · 01-08-2020, 09:46 AM

01-08-2020, 09:38 AMdylanjj37 Wrote:
01-08-2020, 09:31 AMCapt_Blitzkrieg Wrote: That could be interesting for transparency. When a hire is posted, publish a list of the responses (or even the top 5 in the case of highly sought-after roles) and a short comment on why they were/were not chosen.

Time consuming, probably, but transparent and interesting.

How would this be time consuming? They already have the comments. Unless they need more time to make up an acceptable excuse?

This would be a very good idea though.

lmao this thread is a hot bed for piss poor takes. Y’all think SHL HO is bullying McZ, and you want a public thread detailing exactly why they didn’t hire him? You guys would just accuse them of publicly bullying McZ if they did this.

Releasing apps is a horrendous idea, might as well just ask dudes to post their apps in the hiring thread instead of PMing them to HO. All this is gonna do is give the armchair HO members a platform to see apps and give their biased and subjective opinions towards candidates they have a boner for. Let HO do their jobs.

And why do people want to hear the reasoning McZ wasn’t hired so badly? Everyone in this thread knows why he wasnt chosen except for the people who’ve got their blinders up so they can hate on Gibbles before he’s made his first call as GM. He’s a longstanding MIN member, longer than McZ and doesn’t run the risk of putting his player before the team’s success, this hire is legit the best possible outcome for MIN

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BDonini · 01-08-2020, 09:47 AM

01-08-2020, 09:29 AMWannabeFinn Wrote:
01-08-2020, 09:22 AMAcsolap Wrote: Go ahead. I wish you all the luck in the world, you will absolutely need it.

Wat

Dude didn’t say he was personally going for a job

That same answer applies to anyone who thinks they’ll just apply to the J as a stepping stone and get hired

***golden_apricot*** · 01-08-2020, 09:54 AM

01-08-2020, 09:47 AMBDonini Wrote:
01-08-2020, 09:29 AMWannabeFinn Wrote: Wat

Dude didn’t say he was personally going for a job

That same answer applies to anyone who thinks they’ll just apply to the J as a stepping stone and get hired

Ya, if people dont think we actually look at the apps, how they are written and what they plan to do they are not going to get the spot. We will not release apps for "transparency" since that isnt what transparency is. The best apps I have seen have both a statement of credentials, a plan as to how they want to build the team for the next few seasons, and what they want their team to be going forward. Apps we get range from having all of these very well thought out, to having none of it written at all. We do take prior experience into account to some extent but there is nothing that says we wont take someone new and we have had active talks about doing so in the past.

jRuutu · 01-08-2020, 09:54 AM

01-08-2020, 09:46 AMnour Wrote:
01-08-2020, 09:38 AMdylanjj37 Wrote: How would this be time consuming? They already have the comments. Unless they need more time to make up an acceptable excuse?

This would be a very good idea though.

lmao this thread is a hot bed for piss poor takes. Y’all think SHL HO is bullying McZ, and you want a public thread detailing exactly why they didn’t hire him? You guys would just accuse them of publicly bullying McZ if they did this.

Releasing apps is a horrendous idea, might as well just ask dudes to post their apps in the hiring thread instead of PMing them to HO. All this is gonna do is give the armchair HO members a platform to see apps and give their biased and subjective opinions towards candidates they have a boner for. Let HO do their jobs.

And why do people want to hear the reasoning McZ wasn’t hired so badly? Everyone in this thread knows why he wasnt chosen except for the people who’ve got their blinders up so they can hate on Gibbles before he’s made his first call as GM. He’s a longstanding MIN member, longer than McZ and doesn’t run the risk of putting his player before the team’s success, this hire is legit the best possible outcome for MIN

In your honest opinion - what is this if not bullying? A veteran member with all the tools to run a team, member who wants a second chance in managing a team gets denied time after time, only because some cant accept the fact that the veteran member has done more than enough to earn that second chance? A qualified member, a member who would make the league a better place by running a team gets denied time after time - smells a lot like bullying to me.

nour · 01-08-2020, 09:56 AM

01-08-2020, 09:54 AMgolden_apricot Wrote:
01-08-2020, 09:47 AMBDonini Wrote: That same answer applies to anyone who thinks they’ll just apply to the J as a stepping stone and get hired

Ya, if people dont think we actually look at the apps, how they are written and what they plan to do they are not going to get the spot. We will not release apps for "transparency" since that isnt what transparency is. The best apps I have seen have both a statement of credentials, a plan as to how they want to build the team for the next few seasons, and what they want their team to be going forward. Apps we get range from having all of these very well thought out, to having none of it written at all. We do take prior experience into account to some extent but there is nothing that says we wont take someone new and we have had active talks about doing so in the past.

really well written but if u pick a new member over a veteran ur a cyber bully Undecided

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nour · 01-08-2020, 10:03 AM

01-08-2020, 09:54 AMjRuutu Wrote:
01-08-2020, 09:46 AMnour Wrote: lmao this thread is a hot bed for piss poor takes. Y’all think SHL HO is bullying McZ, and you want a public thread detailing exactly why they didn’t hire him? You guys would just accuse them of publicly bullying McZ if they did this.

Releasing apps is a horrendous idea, might as well just ask dudes to post their apps in the hiring thread instead of PMing them to HO. All this is gonna do is give the armchair HO members a platform to see apps and give their biased and subjective opinions towards candidates they have a boner for. Let HO do their jobs.

And why do people want to hear the reasoning McZ wasn’t hired so badly? Everyone in this thread knows why he wasnt chosen except for the people who’ve got their blinders up so they can hate on Gibbles before he’s made his first call as GM. He’s a longstanding MIN member, longer than McZ and doesn’t run the risk of putting his player before the team’s success, this hire is legit the best possible outcome for MIN
In your honest opinion - what is this if not bullying? A veteran member with all the tools to run a team, member who wants a second chance in managing a team gets denied time after time, only because some cant accept the fact that the veteran member has done more than enough to earn that second chance? A qualified member, a member who would make the league a better place by running a team gets denied time after time - smells a lot like bullying to me.

What, aside from McZ being a member here longer than SpartanGibbles, makes him more qualified?

Gibbles has...

- Been in Minnesota longer
- Been in Minnesota MANAGEMENT longer
- Has more recent GM experience
- Is an updater (invalidating your strange argument that he can’t regress people)
- Is a much safer pick since he hasn’t been fired, much less twice (and this is coming from an SMJHL GM whose been fired and lost out on jobs because of it)
- Isn’t a risk to put his player before the team (look at the way McZ does his lines to award himself top minutes, or the recent scouting survey where he name drops the chance to ‘Play with Balls’)

SHL HO picked the best candidate for the job, and your only argument is that McZ is older and tries hard? Everyone who applies is also trying, and being older genuinely doesn’t mean shit if you can’t back up your candidacy, which McZ can’t do nearly as well as Gibbles right now (see points above).

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JNH · 01-08-2020, 10:04 AM

damn mcz has gaslighted MIN into believing he’s a better GM candidate than gibbles lmao

dankoa · 01-08-2020, 10:11 AM

01-08-2020, 09:54 AMjRuutu Wrote:
01-08-2020, 09:46 AMnour Wrote: lmao this thread is a hot bed for piss poor takes. Y’all think SHL HO is bullying McZ, and you want a public thread detailing exactly why they didn’t hire him? You guys would just accuse them of publicly bullying McZ if they did this.

Releasing apps is a horrendous idea, might as well just ask dudes to post their apps in the hiring thread instead of PMing them to HO. All this is gonna do is give the armchair HO members a platform to see apps and give their biased and subjective opinions towards candidates they have a boner for. Let HO do their jobs.

And why do people want to hear the reasoning McZ wasn’t hired so badly? Everyone in this thread knows why he wasnt chosen except for the people who’ve got their blinders up so they can hate on Gibbles before he’s made his first call as GM. He’s a longstanding MIN member, longer than McZ and doesn’t run the risk of putting his player before the team’s success, this hire is legit the best possible outcome for MIN
In your honest opinion - what is this if not bullying? A veteran member with all the tools to run a team, member who wants a second chance in managing a team gets denied time after time, only because some cant accept the fact that the veteran member has done more than enough to earn that second chance? A qualified member, a member who would make the league a better place by running a team gets denied time after time - smells a lot like bullying to me.

Bullying jfc

BDonini · 01-08-2020, 10:13 AM

01-08-2020, 10:04 AMJNH Wrote: damn mcz has gaslighted MIN into believing he’s a better GM candidate than gibbles lmao

this, this is the post

jRuutu · 01-08-2020, 10:14 AM

01-08-2020, 10:03 AMnour Wrote:
01-08-2020, 09:54 AMjRuutu Wrote: In your honest opinion - what is this if not bullying? A veteran member with all the tools to run a team, member who wants a second chance in managing a team gets denied time after time, only because some cant accept the fact that the veteran member has done more than enough to earn that second chance? A qualified member, a member who would make the league a better place by running a team gets denied time after time - smells a lot like bullying to me.

What, aside from McZ being a member here longer than SpartanGibbles, makes him more qualified?

Gibbles has...

- Been in Minnesota longer
- Been in Minnesota MANAGEMENT longer
- Has more recent GM experience
- Is an updater (invalidating your strange argument that he can’t regress people)
- Is a much safer pick since he hasn’t been fired, much less twice (and this is coming from an SMJHL GM whose been fired and lost out on jobs because of it)
- Isn’t a risk to put his player before the team (look at the way McZ does his lines to award himself top minutes, or the recent scouting survey where he name drops the chance to ‘Play with Balls’)

SHL HO picked the best candidate for the job, and your only argument is that McZ is older and tries hard? Everyone who applies is also trying, and being older genuinely doesn’t mean shit if you can’t back up your candidacy, which McZ can’t do nearly as well as Gibbles right now (see points above).

McZ was in this league when Spartan and SdCore were still kids and surfing together in Anaheim. McZ has had multiple jobs in this league, even IIHF commissioner now, so it looks like the league has no trouble in using McZ, but when it comes down to giving out some credit and maybe rewarding that work and activity - they quickly move to the errors of the past and never let go.

Lets be honest, McZ has 1700 TPE, most in Minnesota, second most is at 1500, so playing the most is not that weird, especially in Minnesota of all teams that has in total of I believe 6 1000+ TPE players.

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