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trella · 02-06-2022, 03:08 PM

Izzy, I always tried to give you the benefit of the doubt because you have always been good to me, but this is just the cherry on top to all the shitty things I have heard about you. You’ve lost my respect and the respect of just about everyone here.

Thanks to @karey and @JSS for the sigs!

Former USA Fed Head, Carolina Kraken Co-GM, Tampa Bay Barracuda GM

Skeleton Party · 02-06-2022, 03:10 PM

02-06-2022, 03:07 PMst4rface Wrote: I will reply to all of the replies to my post at once.

Each story has two sides of it and most of these people doesn't know them both. They are just listening to the stuff that few members are saying, because they have a bigger role than them on this forum. They are very quick to judge, because they rather choose to believe the most craziest stories than hear the full story. As I said - Izzy might have said something and it might have been wrong, but I won't judge human being just because I came here and someone said that he said something. And if you do, you should consider going back to kindergarten. I respect both - Valor and Izzy. I hope Valor feels okay after everything happend and I hope Izzy will change if he said something he shouldn't say. But this crazy going after each user who does something wrong here is just wrong and doesn't help. For example, hating the haters won't help with decreasing the hate. But it is what it is with this forum.

However, Dragons will get over it! Hope you're good, Valor. Hope to see Izzy coming back stronger than ever and as a different human being.

alexa play clown music

*Buster* · 02-06-2022, 03:16 PM

02-06-2022, 03:07 PMst4rface Wrote: I will reply to all of the replies to my post at once.

Each story has two sides of it and most of these people doesn't know them both. They are just listening to the stuff that few members are saying, because they have a bigger role than them on this forum. They are very quick to judge, because they rather choose to believe the most craziest stories than hear the full story. As I said - Izzy might have said something and it might have been wrong, but I won't judge human being just because I came here and someone said that he said something. And if you do, you should consider going back to kindergarten. I respect both - Valor and Izzy. I hope Valor feels okay after everything happend and I hope Izzy will change if he said something he shouldn't say. But this crazy going after each user who does something wrong here is just wrong and doesn't help. For example, hating the haters won't help with decreasing the hate. But it is what it is with this forum.

However, Dragons will get over it! Hope you're good, Valor. Hope to see Izzy coming back stronger than ever and as a different human being.

I’ve seen screenshots you doofus. Get out of here with this. Izzy is a bad person and has proven it time and time again.

Merica · 02-06-2022, 03:27 PM

02-06-2022, 03:16 PMBuster Wrote:
02-06-2022, 03:07 PMst4rface Wrote: I will reply to all of the replies to my post at once.

Each story has two sides of it and most of these people doesn't know them both. They are just listening to the stuff that few members are saying, because they have a bigger role than them on this forum. They are very quick to judge, because they rather choose to believe the most craziest stories than hear the full story. As I said - Izzy might have said something and it might have been wrong, but I won't judge human being just because I came here and someone said that he said something. And if you do, you should consider going back to kindergarten. I respect both - Valor and Izzy. I hope Valor feels okay after everything happend and I hope Izzy will change if he said something he shouldn't say. But this crazy going after each user who does something wrong here is just wrong and doesn't help. For example, hating the haters won't help with decreasing the hate. But it is what it is with this forum.

However, Dragons will get over it! Hope you're good, Valor. Hope to see Izzy coming back stronger than ever and as a different human being.

I’ve seen screenshots you doofus. Get out of here with this. Izzy is a bad person and has proven it time and time again.

Pfft, I know Photoshop when I see it

*Buster* · 02-06-2022, 03:30 PM

02-06-2022, 03:27 PMMerica Wrote:
02-06-2022, 03:16 PMBuster Wrote: I’ve seen screenshots you doofus. Get out of here with this. Izzy is a bad person and has proven it time and time again.

Pfft, I know Photoshop when I see it

Honestly at least I’m getting a little better. Hopefully soon I’ll be able to make even better fakes

DELIRIVM · 02-06-2022, 03:36 PM

Is this the thread where I say that it’s been 9 months since I won the charity raffle for the Mike Izzy Hype Video and he still hasn’t made one?

Not a big deal as it isn’t why I donated. But still funny.

Thunfish · 02-06-2022, 03:38 PM

02-06-2022, 03:36 PMDELIRIVM Wrote: Is this the thread where I say that it’s been 9 months since I won the charity raffle for the Mike Izzy Hype Video and he still hasn’t made one?

Not a big deal as it isn’t why I donated. But still funny.

The fiend! Also, thanks, reminds me I need to get in touch to deliver a charity thing myself.

PremierBromanov · 02-06-2022, 03:42 PM

i just...i cant tell who is posting copypasta and who is making brand new copypasta as we speak.

*Buster* · 02-06-2022, 03:44 PM

02-06-2022, 03:42 PMPremierBromanov Wrote: i just...i cant tell who is posting copypasta and who is making brand new copypasta as we speak.

OK Folks:

The Song "God Part II" is an answer, and in part, a tribute to, the earlier John Lennon song "God" where John points out things that he doesn't believe in.

Bono, a Christian answers: (One key point is that Bono often uses the statement "God is love" algebraically flipped, such that the word "love" stands for God)

Don't believe the devil
I don't believe his book
But the truth is not the same
Without the lies he made up
Don't believe in excess
Success is to give
Don't believe in riches
But you should see where I live
I, I believe in love

(In every stanza, there is a contradiction. "Don't believe in riches..." This is Bono recognizing a certain hypocrisy. He recognizes that he is a sinner and not a perfect Saint, taking advantage of his wealth at the same time that he works for the poor in such a way as to make it a second job. The last line reads "I, I believe in God" when you make the substitution that I suggested above. I believe that Bono is saying that despite is imperfections that he is still trying, and with God's grace, he will get there)

Don't believe in forced entry
Don't believe in rape
But every time she passes by
Wild thoughts escape

(This section is really quite nuanced, coming from a devout Christian. Bono, and myself in using his lyrics is saying that I DON'T believe in or condone violence against women. I DON'T believe in or condone rape. I believe that this includes being against the blatant objectification of women. That is certainly the case for me, and if you listen to Bono's support of women, it is for him as well. Yet, again there is a seeming contradiction in these four simple lines. I believe that Bono as a Christian, is aware that Jesus once said that if a man looks at a woman with lust in his heart, he has committed adultery. Bono and I recognize that it is almost impossible to avoid this level of sin. "every time she passes by, wild thoughts escape" is a dramatic way of saying that he and I have desires and that they are not always completely pure. Now, at some level, I was pointing out in my post, that these a certain level of desire is actually healthy. I thought that Merica's signature was tasteful and within that healthy range. These lyrics are not "rapey shit". The message is far more subtle than that. This is Christian Rock. It is not gangster rap.)

Let it be understood that I have nothing against anyone here. But Jesus also had something to say about people who were holding stones ready to cast them at an adulterer. He called out to them saying "Let the one of you who is sinless cast the first stone". All of those stones dropped to the ground. I am not sorry for making a post supporting Merica making a tasteful image of a woman. I am not sorry for the actual message either. Yet I am sorry for the impact that the post had however, and I will endeavor to be either more sensitive in the future, and for the better part will seek to not engage much more on the forums outside of improving my player and my teams.

Don't believe in Death Row
Skid row or the gangs
Don't believe in the Uzi
It just went off in my hands
I, I believe in love

Don't believe in cocaine
Got a speedball in my head
I could cut and crack you open
Did you hear what I said?
Don't believe them when they tell me
There ain't no cure
The rich stay healthy
The sick stay poor
I, I believe in love

Don't believe in Goldman
His type like a curse
Instant karma's gonna get him
If I don't get him first
Don't believe that Rock 'n' Roll
Can really change the world
As it spins in revolution
Yeah, it spirals and turns
I, I believe in love

Don't believe in the sixties
The golden age of pop
You glorify the past
When the future dries up
Heard a singer on the radio
Late last night
Says he's gonna kick the darkness
Till it bleeds daylight
I, I believe in love

Feel like I'm fallin'
I'm spinnin' on a wheel
It always stops beside a name
A presence I can feel
I believe in love
Stop!

Really, I don't believe that this is one of Bono's best efforts, but reading down toward the end of the song, he speaks of "A presence I can feel. I believe in love". This song is not "rapey shit" It is a statement that while there are many things that I reject, the one thing that can I always fall back on one thing that I can believe in: I believe in God and his presence. When everything else is going to shit, faith, hope, love and the presence of God remain.

So, as a Christian, I'm not here with the goal of hurting anyone or in winning any pissing contests. Go ahead and cast more stones if you want to. I have my shield and my strength. This is my final word on the subject.

This homily has ended. Go in peace to love and serve the Lord.

In the name of the Father and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Amen.

PremierBromanov · 02-06-2022, 03:46 PM

02-06-2022, 03:44 PMBuster Wrote:
02-06-2022, 03:42 PMPremierBromanov Wrote: i just...i cant tell who is posting copypasta and who is making brand new copypasta as we speak.

OK Folks:

The Song "God Part II" is an answer, and in part, a tribute to, the earlier John Lennon song "God" where John points out things that he doesn't believe in.

Bono, a Christian answers: (One key point is that Bono often uses the statement "God is love" algebraically flipped, such that the word "love" stands for God)

Don't believe the devil
I don't believe his book
But the truth is not the same
Without the lies he made up
Don't believe in excess
Success is to give
Don't believe in riches
But you should see where I live
I, I believe in love

(In every stanza, there is a contradiction. "Don't believe in riches..." This is Bono recognizing a certain hypocrisy. He recognizes that he is a sinner and not a perfect Saint, taking advantage of his wealth at the same time that he works for the poor in such a way as to make it a second job. The last line reads "I, I believe in God" when you make the substitution that I suggested above. I believe that Bono is saying that despite is imperfections that he is still trying, and with God's grace, he will get there)

Don't believe in forced entry
Don't believe in rape
But every time she passes by
Wild thoughts escape

(This section is really quite nuanced, coming from a devout Christian. Bono, and myself in using his lyrics is saying that I DON'T believe in or condone violence against women. I DON'T believe in or condone rape. I believe that this includes being against the blatant objectification of women. That is certainly the case for me, and if you listen to Bono's support of women, it is for him as well. Yet, again there is a seeming contradiction in these four simple lines. I believe that Bono as a Christian, is aware that Jesus once said that if a man looks at a woman with lust in his heart, he has committed adultery. Bono and I recognize that it is almost impossible to avoid this level of sin. "every time she passes by, wild thoughts escape" is a dramatic way of saying that he and I have desires and that they are not always completely pure. Now, at some level, I was pointing out in my post, that these a certain level of desire is actually healthy. I thought that Merica's signature was tasteful and within that healthy range. These lyrics are not "rapey shit". The message is far more subtle than that. This is Christian Rock. It is not gangster rap.)

Let it be understood that I have nothing against anyone here. But Jesus also had something to say about people who were holding stones ready to cast them at an adulterer. He called out to them saying "Let the one of you who is sinless cast the first stone". All of those stones dropped to the ground. I am not sorry for making a post supporting Merica making a tasteful image of a woman. I am not sorry for the actual message either. Yet I am sorry for the impact that the post had however, and I will endeavor to be either more sensitive in the future, and for the better part will seek to not engage much more on the forums outside of improving my player and my teams.

Don't believe in Death Row
Skid row or the gangs
Don't believe in the Uzi
It just went off in my hands
I, I believe in love

Don't believe in cocaine
Got a speedball in my head
I could cut and crack you open
Did you hear what I said?
Don't believe them when they tell me
There ain't no cure
The rich stay healthy
The sick stay poor
I, I believe in love

Don't believe in Goldman
His type like a curse
Instant karma's gonna get him
If I don't get him first
Don't believe that Rock 'n' Roll
Can really change the world
As it spins in revolution
Yeah, it spirals and turns
I, I believe in love

Don't believe in the sixties
The golden age of pop
You glorify the past
When the future dries up
Heard a singer on the radio
Late last night
Says he's gonna kick the darkness
Till it bleeds daylight
I, I believe in love

Feel like I'm fallin'
I'm spinnin' on a wheel
It always stops beside a name
A presence I can feel
I believe in love
Stop!

Really, I don't believe that this is one of Bono's best efforts, but reading down toward the end of the song, he speaks of "A presence I can feel. I believe in love". This song is not "rapey shit" It is a statement that while there are many things that I reject, the one thing that can I always fall back on one thing that I can believe in: I believe in God and his presence. When everything else is going to shit, faith, hope, love and the presence of God remain.

So, as a Christian, I'm not here with the goal of hurting anyone or in winning any pissing contests. Go ahead and cast more stones if you want to. I have my shield and my strength. This is my final word on the subject.

This homily has ended. Go in peace to love and serve the Lord.

In the name of the Father and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Amen.

can i see the folder you keep these in. is it big?

st4rface · 02-06-2022, 03:51 PM

02-06-2022, 03:16 PMBuster Wrote:
02-06-2022, 03:07 PMst4rface Wrote: I will reply to all of the replies to my post at once.

Each story has two sides of it and most of these people doesn't know them both. They are just listening to the stuff that few members are saying, because they have a bigger role than them on this forum. They are very quick to judge, because they rather choose to believe the most craziest stories than hear the full story. As I said - Izzy might have said something and it might have been wrong, but I won't judge human being just because I came here and someone said that he said something. And if you do, you should consider going back to kindergarten. I respect both - Valor and Izzy. I hope Valor feels okay after everything happend and I hope Izzy will change if he said something he shouldn't say. But this crazy going after each user who does something wrong here is just wrong and doesn't help. For example, hating the haters won't help with decreasing the hate. But it is what it is with this forum.

However, Dragons will get over it! Hope you're good, Valor. Hope to see Izzy coming back stronger than ever and as a different human being.

I’ve seen screenshots you doofus. Get out of here with this. Izzy is a bad person and has proven it time and time again.

What people say about you, says more about them. Have a nice day! Smile

JumpierPegasus · 02-06-2022, 03:52 PM

This is where we learn Mike Izzy is just an elaborate character made by Joss Wheadon

CementHands · 02-06-2022, 03:53 PM

Interesting. If dms are now on the table in addition to YouTube stream chat, do we have upgraded rules, or it just based on if the receiving person feels offended by said content?
We have let some pretty awful looking shit go in the past, including when I was part of head office because of the perceived relationship between users, I’m assuming those all get the book now as well?

JumpierPegasus · 02-06-2022, 03:53 PM

02-06-2022, 03:07 PMst4rface Wrote: hating the haters won't help with decreasing the hate

Bars.

This has to make it into a new st4rface track

***boom*** · 02-06-2022, 03:58 PM

02-06-2022, 03:51 PMst4rface Wrote:
02-06-2022, 03:16 PMBuster Wrote: I’ve seen screenshots you doofus. Get out of here with this. Izzy is a bad person and has proven it time and time again.
What people say about you, says more about them. Have a nice day!

Overlooking people with legitimate complaints - and Izzy had a reputation long before this incident ever occurred - these stories don’t come from jealousy. Contrary to what you were saying, not every argument has two sides that need to have equal membership. You can disavow him, and in fact that would be the more mature thing to do. When presented with new evidence, you shouldn’t just discount it to fit into your narrative. Doing so hurts survivors, you can’t wish them well and in the same breath defend the one who hurt them with just as much energy.

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