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JumpierPegasus · 07-23-2020, 01:30 AM

07-23-2020, 01:25 AMJayWhy Wrote: I don't know that I follow the argument that these deals had to be made immediately. EJ is by all accounts inactive or going inactive, meaning automatic re-sign. Explosion is inactive per the rules, so automatic re-sign. Bilbo and maj are logical people that have held positions in this league and understand that some things take time to get something fair, you can talk and explain to them the situation.

This screams to me that you wanted to get it done quick so it was finished, more than just wanting to do the right thing. I don't doubt you thought you were doing the right thing, but patience is a virtue and ultimately was an option. Even them on expiring deals, we haven't even started the season, you had at minimum a month, likely around 2, to pressure the other GMs to come to a middle ground.

Here you are standing your ground, I know you can do it, I know you're smart, I know you're tough. So stand your ground in private also, and do what's right for the team even if it takes an extra day, extra week, anything it takes.

Yup, said it more concisely than I did. Nothing needed to be done ASAP

*Ferda* · 07-23-2020, 01:33 AM

07-23-2020, 01:16 AMJumpierPegasus Wrote: those are some top notch GM's and Ace

im fuckin dyin here dude lmao

you cant just do that to a man and dip

*Good_Ole_Kimmy* · 07-23-2020, 01:33 AM

07-23-2020, 01:16 AMJumpierPegasus Wrote: Now to Daft's credit he got taken to town by 4 incredibly experienced GM's who have been around this league for an incredible amount of time in Esa, Ace, Kez, and Dan. No fault in that, those are some top notch GM's and Ace

Lmfao and ace

***Wally*** · 07-23-2020, 01:35 AM

07-23-2020, 12:41 AMartermis Wrote:
07-23-2020, 12:24 AMACapitalChicago Wrote: Sounds like we need a history lesson

First, this happens

Galatix named as interim
POR faced a mass-retirement, and thus the team was gutted
Galatix made some moves quickly to rebuild:

https://simulationhockey.com/showthread.php?tid=78286
https://simulationhockey.com/showthread.php?tid=78289

Summed up here:

https://simulationhockey.com/showthread.php?tid=78290

Galatix would step down shortly after, after a lot of toxicity from the community

https://simulationhockey.com/showthread....pid2249068
https://simulationhockey.com/showthread....pid2249059

Arty those were both the trades I vetoed because of the value that Portland wasn't getting before my role was ended that she was hastily pushing through. The actual trades happened through Grape once he took over, minus the POR/SEA one:
https://simulationhockey.com/showthread....pid2253029
https://simulationhockey.com/showthread.php?tid=78699
https://simulationhockey.com/showthread.php?tid=78700
https://simulationhockey.com/showthread.php?tid=78430

JSS · 07-23-2020, 01:37 AM

07-23-2020, 01:14 AMfrithjofr Wrote:
07-23-2020, 01:05 AMhhh81 Wrote: I'm gonna need you to take this classist bullshit attack and fuck right off with it. Regardless of the content of the disagreement here, this is unacceptable.

What?

Deae Cuzo,

I would call you a cro but you are far from one, but that's not the point mans here are trying to make. So according to my calculations, Hunter Hearst Helmsley 81 here is calling you out for the following comment:

"Or does this mean something different in whatever McDonald's grease trap you crawled out of?"

Now mans here ain't the smartest cro on the SHL, but I personally believe the mandem is trying to tell you my waste yute that this comment by you don't breeze you get me?

In the eyes of the cro himself, this comment makes you look like a bean no cap and I think bare crodies would agree with me. Mans don't llow that round here cuzo. I would personally suggest for you to nize it, but that's just me.

From the cro himself, JSS.

Mazatt · 07-23-2020, 02:25 AM

Very apt to compare this to Portland. Hopefully people realize that anything towards Daft that needs to be said regarding the trades has already been said and other don't feel the need to pile on against them. Cause that's how we avoid a full Portland situation.

Mayuu · 07-23-2020, 05:03 AM

Lots of excuses for hastily ruining a franchise already in a dire spot. Even though the market is flooded there's better value out there, only had to play a little hardball

RETIRED

FuzzSHL · 07-23-2020, 05:16 AM

07-23-2020, 01:37 AMJSS Wrote:
07-23-2020, 01:14 AMfrithjofr Wrote:

What?

Deae Cuzo,

I would call you a cro but you are far from one, but that's not the point mans here are trying to make. So according to my calculations, Hunter Hearst Helmsley 81 here is calling you out for the following comment:

"Or does this mean something different in whatever McDonald's grease trap you crawled out of?"

Now mans here ain't the smartest cro on the SHL, but I personally believe the mandem is trying to tell you my waste yute that this comment by you don't breeze you get me?

In the eyes of the cro himself, this comment makes you look like a bean no cap and I think bare crodies would agree with me. Mans don't llow that round here cuzo. I would personally suggest for you to nize it, but that's just me.

From the cro himself, JSS.

Can someone decipher this? Anyone?

Aleksi Kettu

wumaduce · 07-23-2020, 05:27 AM

07-23-2020, 05:16 AMFuzzSHL Wrote:
07-23-2020, 01:37 AMJSS Wrote: Deae Cuzo,

I would call you a cro but you are far from one, but that's not the point mans here are trying to make. So according to my calculations, Hunter Hearst Helmsley 81 here is calling you out for the following comment:

"Or does this mean something different in whatever McDonald's grease trap you crawled out of?"

Now mans here ain't the smartest cro on the SHL, but I personally believe the mandem is trying to tell you my waste yute that this comment by you don't breeze you get me?

In the eyes of the cro himself, this comment makes you look like a bean no cap and I think bare crodies would agree with me. Mans don't llow that round here cuzo. I would personally suggest for you to nize it, but that's just me.

From the cro himself, JSS.

Can someone decipher this? Anyone?

I'll take a shot. @JSS I might need some clarification on some of it.

I'd call you a bro, but you aren't one. That's not the point though. Hhh81 is calling you out for your comment

"Or does this mean something different in whatever McDonald's grease trap you crawled out of?"

I may not be the smartest guy in here, but what he's saying.. I'm not even sure about the my waste yute thing... Is that comment doesn't fly.

In my eyes, this comment makes you look like an idiot and I think others would agree. People don't act like that around here. I'd personally suggest you to quit/edit/nice (pick one) it, but that's just me

**RomanesEuntDomus** · 07-23-2020, 06:19 AM

I gotta say, after seeing those trades i was ready to Join the rest of the League and jump on you and HO completely for doing/allowing this. But this thread has given me a bit more context and made your reasoning and the decisions you made a bit more understandable, so thats a good thing.

However, the value that SFP got out of this is still bad. How much of this is due to the bad Position that you got put into and the lack of leverage you had, and how much is experienced GMs taking advantage of a new GM who didnt have either the skill or the confidence to be assertive is something that i cant really judge from the outside and without knowing the conversations that went on.

I have to agree with those in here though who think this was rushed and that SFP didnt negotiate long and hard enough (or simply waited for the GM hiring). And I certainly hope that there werent better value offers out there that you decided not to take because that Team wasnt the players preferred destination...

***Acsolap*** · 07-23-2020, 07:25 AM

07-22-2020, 11:47 PMbluesfan55 Wrote:
07-22-2020, 11:43 PM39alaska39 Wrote: When word on the street is that there were multiple firsts on the table in some of these deals and you didn't accept them to accept these worse deals, you certainly don't come across as a GM with a plan, much less the best interest of the team at heart.

Try GMing yourself

He did

Quote:do better.

He didn't

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***Ace*** · 07-23-2020, 07:26 AM

07-23-2020, 01:16 AMJumpierPegasus Wrote: Now to Daft's credit he got taken to town by 4 incredibly experienced GM's who have been around this league for an incredible amount of time in Esa, Ace, Kez, and Dan. No fault in that, those are some top notch GM's and Ace

Genuinely laughed, thanks JP.

Southie · 07-23-2020, 07:43 AM

I shouldn't jump into this but I think it's junk that people are critizing a GM for trading players to teams that they wanted to be drafted too. Yes, he could've played hardball. Yes, he could've gotten more for the trades but if those offers weren't from the teams the players wanted to go then those trades are meaningless.

It's way better to have a couple unhappy players on a bad franchise then several unhappy players spread throughout the league on teams that they don't want to be apart of.

If players want out, they want out. Holding them hostage is pointless pettiness.

PremierBromanov · 07-23-2020, 08:11 AM

07-23-2020, 01:16 AMJumpierPegasus Wrote: Now to Daft's credit he got taken to town by 4 incredibly experienced GM's who have been around this league for an incredible amount of time in Esa, Ace, Kez, and Dan. No fault in that, those are some top notch GM's and Ace

Brutal

***ProjectSaint*** · 07-23-2020, 08:15 AM

I just want EVO to enjoy his time in San Fran.

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