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02-28-2025, 02:43 PMCount Chocula Wrote: I could argue the murder situation even has shades of gray. I would say I feel the line should be drawn at if it directly affects a community member. If a user here slurs or makes vulgar comments pertaining to another user on say VHL, it pertains to a specific person here. There is overlap between users where that can still have an affect.
I KNOW you’re not cosplaying as his assigned public defender on a Friday afternoon..

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#77

rest in piss. you wont be missed

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#78

Tl;dr, literal neo-nazi, literal swastikas, literal ban

All i needed

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(This post was last modified: 02-28-2025, 03:52 PM by scudmuffin19.)

02-28-2025, 03:36 PMWannabeFinn Wrote: I KNOW you’re not cosplaying as his assigned public defender on a Friday afternoon..
i dont think a single user here (i hope) is gonna defend this guy.

i think the area of concern is how the reporting user came across and presented said evidence? 

it sounds like all the user needed was a name and decided to google search this person or comb through all avenues of social media looking for something like this to find and got lucky. but the search itself is still weird behavior unless there's other information that wasnt stated in the punishment post (aka the user self-doxxed more than just their name). 

we as a league dodged a bullet but quite a few of us want more information as to what started this all. I think that's a fair ask

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#80

02-28-2025, 02:57 PMsköldpaddor Wrote: Right, so...if they shot a bunch of kids that would be okay as long as none of those kids were SHL members? I don't expect you to say "yes" to that, I'd just like to point out that you're essentially saying "It's not our business if people literally *want* members of our community to die/not have basic human rights, as long as they don't say that to their faces" and I cannot and will not ever agree with that. I'm not going to sit on my hands and wait for someone to attack one of the people in this community before I do something about it.

If you know there's Nazis, and you don't do anything about it, you become complicit in allowing them to continue to carry on without consequence. People have varying degrees to which they are willing to continue to be complicit, but when it comes to the little spheres of influence I have in this world, I will not. I hope they do grow. I hope they can change. But I will not demand or expect that the marginalized people in this community make themselves available for a game of will-they-won't-they with Nazis.

Obviously no, but if someone breaks into my house and I shoot them would I be banned? That's what I mean as to I could argue to the posed situation. That's really not the point of what I'm getting at here though. I'm not trying to defend any Nazi beliefs or condone anything this person did. I'm just trying to get a better understanding of the boundaries of the SHL. I have never interacted with lallaren so I don't know anything about them or how they acted. I would hope they change as well. I can see your point as to they actively have hate towards people and it could potentially be a time bomb situation. I don't think it's a bad thing to want to protect our community.

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#81

hold this L, nazi

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02-28-2025, 03:52 PMscudmuffin19 Wrote: i dont think a single user here (i hope) is gonna defend this guy.

i think the area of concern is how the reporting user came across and presented said evidence? 

it sounds like all the user needed was a name and decided to google search this person or comb through all avenues of social media looking for something like this to find and got lucky. but the search itself is still weird behavior unless there's other information that wasnt stated in the punishment post (aka the user self-doxxed more than just their name). 

we as a league dodged a bullet but quite a few of us want more information as to what started this all. I think that's a fair ask
I do know of at least one previous incident where a user linked their personal Twitter to their SHL Twitter for some reason, so it’s not unheard of.

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02-28-2025, 03:52 PMscudmuffin19 Wrote: i dont think a single user here (i hope) is gonna defend this guy.

i think the area of concern is how the reporting user came across and presented said evidence? 

it sounds like all the user needed was a name and decided to google search this person or comb through all avenues of social media looking for something like this to find and got lucky. but the search itself is still weird behavior unless there's other information that wasnt stated in the punishment post (aka the user self-doxxed more than just their name). 

we as a league dodged a bullet but quite a few of us want more information as to what started this all. I think that's a fair ask
I'm fairly certain this information has been omitted to protect those who were involved.

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02-28-2025, 03:57 PMboom Wrote: I do know of at least one previous incident where a user linked their personal Twitter to their SHL Twitter for some reason, so it’s not unheard of.
not at all, and if that was the case here then my only concern is resolved lol

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02-28-2025, 04:03 PMSeany148 Wrote: I'm fairly certain this information has been omitted to protect those who were involved.
im sure its possible to provide more information into the investigation without doxxing individual users, and i respect their privacy. i think a third-person extra-personal explanation of the sequence of events could be provided that would clear up some of the other POVs here in the thread (none of which thankfully are in support for this guy)

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#86

02-28-2025, 11:07 AMG2019 Wrote: Not remaining civil. Rest in piss
What Sconnie said
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I am too late to say fuck Nazis? Cause you know, Fuck All Nazis

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02-28-2025, 04:11 PMtaterswc Wrote: I am too late to say fuck Nazis? Cause you know, Fuck All Nazis

Never too late Tater.

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02-28-2025, 04:10 PMscudmuffin19 Wrote: im sure its possible to provide more information into the investigation without doxxing individual users, and i respect their privacy. i think a third-person extra-personal explanation of the sequence of events could be provided that would clear up some of the other POVs here in the thread (none of which thankfully are in support for this guy)

You can be as sure as you want, but you'd also be wrong. People's interactions with one another are unique, and if we pinpoint specific ones across our league, it could become obvious to the Nazi or anyone who witnessed the interaction who was involved.

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02-28-2025, 03:52 PMscudmuffin19 Wrote: i dont think a single user here (i hope) is gonna defend this guy.

i think the area of concern is how the reporting user came across and presented said evidence? 

it sounds like all the user needed was a name and decided to google search this person or comb through all avenues of social media looking for something like this to find and got lucky. but the search itself is still weird behavior unless there's other information that wasnt stated in the punishment post (aka the user self-doxxed more than just their name). 

we as a league dodged a bullet but quite a few of us want more information as to what started this all. I think that's a fair ask

Unless someone illegally hacked into some account, why does it matter? If a person is flying their nazi flag in public why does it matter how it came to the league's attention? What does it change?

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