Originally posted by Mark H@Oct 6 2015, 01:39 PM
If teachers/professors were allowed to carry than this shit wouldn't happen tbh.

Bullshit. What happens when that teacher snaps? Who trains the teachers to carry a gun? If you're a teacher should you have to carry a gun to teach? That's a ludicrous statement.

A good gun with a gun doesn't always stop a bad guy with a gun.

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NICLAS WASTLUND | HOF GM (LAP) - 1080 - 800 -178
Name: Niclas Wastlund
Age: 61
Height: 6'7"
Weight: 235 lbs
Number: 77
Birthplace: Hudiksvall, Sweden
Birthday: July 16th
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EEL Career Statistics
S1 STHLM: GP: 60 || G: 4 || A: 20 || P: 24 || +/-: 13 || PIMS: 112 || H: 133 || SB: 100
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NWJHL Career Statistics
S7 VAN: GP: 38 || G: 5 || A: 22 || P: 27 || +/-: 18 || PIMS: 22 || H: 63 || SB: 50
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SHL Career Statistics
S8 MIN: GP: 45 || G: 2 || A: 15 || P: 17 || +/-: 10 || PIMS: 81 || H: 54 || SB: 38 || TA: 23
S9 MIN: GP: 50 || G: 9 || A: 24|| P: 33 || +/-: 17 || PIMS: 95 || H: 116 || SB: 37 || TA: 60
S10 MIN: GP: 50 || G: 25 || A: 33 || P: 58 || +/-: 25 || PIMS: 62 || H: 136 || SB: 44 || TA: 38
S11 MIN: GP: 50 || G: 29 || A: 27 || P: 56 || +/-: 48 || PIMS: 31 || H: 194 || SB: 52 || TA: 41
S12 MIN: GP: 27 || G: 4 || A: 19 || P: 23 || +/-: 2 || PIMS: 31 || H: 60 || SB: 20 || TA: 00
S13 MIN: GP: 50 || G: 7 || A: 33 || P: 40 || +/-: 11 || PIMS: 57 || H: 91 || SB: 67 || TA: 0
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SHL Playoff Statistics
S8 MIN: GP: 12 || G: 1 || A: 5 || P: 6 || +/-: 2 || PIMS: 18 || H: 7 || SB: 14 || TA: 5
S9 MIN: GP: 7 || G: 1 || A: 1 || P: 2 || +/-: -3 || PIMS: 2 || H: 16 || SB: 6 || TA: 6
S10 MIN: GP: 21 || G: 6 || A: 5 || P: 11 || +/-: 5 || PIMS: 10 || H: 69 || SB: 14 || TA: 22
S11 MIN: GP: 11 || G: 5 || A: 3 || P: 8 || +/-: -8 || PIMS: 8 || H: 46 || SB: 12 || TA: 9
S12 MIN: GP: 15 || G: 1 || A: 13 || P: 14 || +/-: 5 || PIMS: 16 || H: 32 || SB: 9 || TA: NA
S13 MIN: GP: 9 || G: 2 || A: 8 || P: 10 || +/-: 0 || PIMS: 2 || H: 22 || SB: 20 || TA: NA
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SHL General Manager Record
S15 LAP: W: 20 || L: 24 || OTL: 6 ||  PTS: 46 || RESULT: 6th WEST - MISSED PLAYOFFS
S16 LAP: W: 33 || L: 15 || OTL: 2 ||  PTS: 68 || RESULT: 1st WEST  - LOST in 1st Round to EDM
S17 LAP: W: 29 || L: 16 || OTL: 5 ||  PTS: 63 || RESULT: 2nd WEST - CHALLENGE CUP CHAMPIONS 
S18 LAP: W: 25 || L: 23 || OTL: 2 ||  PTS: 52 || RESULT: 5th WEST - MISSED PLAYOFFS
S19 LAP: W: 27 || L: 17 || OTL: 6 ||  PTS: 60 || RESULT: 2nd WEST - LOST in 1st Round to SEA
S20 LAP: W: 26 || L: 15 || OTL: 9 ||  PTS: 61 || RESULT: 3rd WEST - LOST in 1st Round to TEX
S21 LAP: W: 26 || L: 19 || OTL: 7 ||  PTS: 59 || RESULT: 4th WEST - LOST 1st Round to TEX
S22 LAP: W: 33 || L: 13 || OTL: 6 ||  PTS: 72 || RESULT: 2nd WEST - LOST in Challenge Cup Finals to MAN
S23 LAP: W: 30 || L: 18 || OTL: 4 ||  PTS: 64 || RESULT: 1st WEST - LOST 1st Round to SEA
S24 LAP: W: 31 || L: 12 || OTL: 9 ||  PTS: 71 || RESULT: 1st WEST - LOST in Challenge Cup Finals to HAM
S25 LAP: W: 25 || L: 20 || OTL: 5 ||  PTS: 55 || RESULT: 6th WEST - MISSED PLAYOFFS
S26 LAP: W: 26 || L: 22 || OTL: 2 ||  PTS: 54 || RESULT: 5th WEST - MISSED PLAYOFFS
S27 LAP: W: 26 || L: 20 || OTL: 4 ||  PTS: 56 || RESULT: 5th WEST - MISSED PLAYOFFS
S28 LAP: W: 26 || L: 17 || OTL: 7 ||  PTS: 59 || RESULT: 5th WEST - MISSED PLAYOFFS
S29 LAP: W: 16 || L: 31 || OTL: 3 ||  PTS: 35 || RESULT: 6th WEST - MISSED PLAYOFFS
S30 LAP: W: 22 || L: 25 || OTL: 3 ||  PTS: 47 || RESULT: 6th WEST - MISSED PLAYOFFS
S31 LAP: W: 27 || L: 22 || OTL: 1 ||  PTS: 55 || RESULT: 5th WEST - MISSED PLAYOFFS
S32 LAP: W: 38 || L: 10 || OTL: 2 ||  PTS: 78 || RESULT: 1st WEST - LOST 1st Round to CAL
S33 LAP: W: 29 || L: 16 || OTL: 5 ||  PTS: 63 || RESULT: 3rd WEST - LOST 2nd Round to CAL
S34 LAP: W: 30 || L: 12 || OTL: 8 ||  PTS: 68 || RESULT: 1st WEST - LOST 1st Round to TEX
S35 LAP: W: 28 || L: 18 || OTL: 4 ||  PTS: 60 || RESULT: 3rd WEST - LOST 1st Round to POR
S36 LAP: W: 24 || L: 22 || OTL: 4 ||  PTS: 52 || RESULT: 5th WEST - MISSED PLAYOFFS
S37 LAP: W: 25 || L: 20 || OTL: 5 ||  PTS: 55 || RESULT: 5th WEST - MISSED PLAYOFFS
S38 LAP: W: 20 || L: 26 || OTL: 4 ||  PTS: 44 || RESULT: 5th WEST - MISSED PLAYOFFS
S39 LAP: W: 25 || L: 19 || OTL: 6 ||  PTS: 56 || RESULT: 4th WEST - LOST Challenge Cup Final to MIN
S40 LAP: W: 25 || L: 18 || OTL: 5 ||  PTS: 57 || RESULT: 5th WEST - MISSED PLAYOFFS
S41 LAP: W: 33 || L: 13 || OTL: 4 ||  PTS: 70 || RESULT: 2nd WEST - LOST Challenge Cup Final to WKP
S42 LAP: W: 28 || L: 22 || OTL: 0 ||  PTS: 56 || RESULT: 4th WEST - LOST 1st Round to EDM
S43 LAP: W: 28 || L: 20 || OTL: 2 ||  PTS: 58 || RESULT: 3rd WEST - LOST 2nd Round to WPG
S44 LAP: W: 30 || L: 16 || OTL: 4 ||  PTS: 64 || RESULT: 2nd WEST - LOST 1st Round to WPG
S45 LAP: W: 24 || L: 20 || OTL: 6 ||  PTS: 54 || RESULT: 4th WEST - LOST 1st Round to EDM
S46 LAP: W: 25 || L: 20 || OTL: 5 ||  PTS: 55 || RESULT: 3rd WEST - 2nd in Southwest -
S47 LAP: W: 20 || L: 25 || OTL: 5 ||  PTS: 45 || RESULT: 7th WEST - MISSED PLAYOFFS
S48 LAP: W: 20 || L: 29 || OTL: 1 ||  PTS: 41 || RESULT: 8th WEST - MISSED PLAYOFFS
S49 LAP: W: 21 || L: 19 || OTL: 10 ||  PTS: 52 || RESULT: 5th WEST - LOST Wildcard Round to EDM
S50 LAP: W: 26 || L: 23 || OTL: 1 ||  PTS: 53 || RESULT: 5th WEST - LOST Wildcard Round to CAL
S51 LAP: W: 21 || L: 25 || OTL: 4 ||  PTS: 46 || RESULT: 5th WEST - LOST Western Conference Finals to EDM
S52 LAP: W: 25 || L: 21 || OTL: 4 ||  PTS: 54 || RESULT: 4th WEST -
S53 LAP: W: 00 || L: 00 || OTL: 0 ||  PTS: 00 || RESULT: ??? WEST -
Total Record: W: 991 || L:  743 || OTL: 170  || TOTAL: 1,904
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Drafted 11th overall by Stockholm in the S1 EEL Draft
Drafted 7th Overall by Vancouver in EEL Supplemental Draft
Drafted 4th Overall by Minnesota in the S8 SHL Draft
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Named S1 Stampede Team Captain
Season 1 EEL All-Star Selection 
Named S7 Vancouver Alternate Captain
S7 Raymond Lindsay Award Winner (Fan voted League MVP)
Season 7 NWJHL All-Star Selection - 1st Overall in Fantasy Draft
1st Defenseman Taken in the S8 Draft
GM of Team Sweden at the S8 WJC
Team Sweden - Gold Medal Winner S8 WJC
S8 SHL All-Star
S9 SHL All-Star
S10 SHL All-Star - Voted #2 Starting D
S11 SHL All-Star - Voted #1 Starting D
S13 SHL All-Star
S9 Minnesota Chiefs Alternate Captain
S10 Minnesota Chiefs Alternate Captain
S11 Minnesota Chiefs Alternate Captain
S12 Minnesota Chiefs Alternate Captain
Team Sweden - S10 Olympic Team Captain
S10 Challenge Cup Champion - Minnesota Chiefs
S12 Challenge Cup Champion - Minnesota Chiefs
S10 Stevens Trophy Runner-Up
Vancouver Whalers' Top D-Man Trophy named "Niclas Wastlund Trophy"
** Suspended for 25 games in S12.
League Record for Best Plus/Minus in S11 for +48
Hired as Los Angeles Panthers GM - S15
Won Western Conference Title - S16
S17 Challenge Cup Champion - GM LA Panthers
S17 JJ Krever Award Winner (Top GM)
S22 Clarence Campbell Trophy Winner
S23 President's Trophy Award Winner
S24 President's Trophy Award Winner
S32 President's Trophy Award Winner
S32 Lance Uppercut Trophy Award Winner (Top GM)
S32 Joe McKeil Trophy Award Winner (Top Coach)
S34 Joe McKeil Trophy Award Winner (Top Coach)
S42 Joe McKeil Trophy Award Winner (Top Coach)
S43 Game 331 - 4-1 WIN v.s Toronto North Stars - 778th Win - 1st to hit this mark - Most Wins as a GM in SHL History
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Contract:
Signed 3yr/10.5M Contract in S8 with NTC.
Signed 5yr/18M Contract Extension in S10 with NTC
Retired S13
Retired as LA Panthers GM After the S55 Season

Originally posted by Mark H@Oct 6 2015, 05:39 PM
If teachers/professors were allowed to carry than this shit wouldn't happen tbh.

Horse shit. Maybe they could end it before it gets to crazy but someone could very easily harm multiple students before a teacher could react.

This entire thread though.. lmfao

KARI KEKKONEN | D | RETIRED
NAME: Kari Kekkonen
BIRTHPLACE: Oulu, Finland
HEIGHT: 6'1"
WEIGHT: 185 lbs
NUMBER: 33
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SMJHL CAREER STATS
S19 KEL: GP: 40, G: 10, A: 26, P: 36, +/-: 16, H: 42

SMJHL PLAYOFF STATS
S19 KEL: GP: 6, G: 0, A: 6, P: 6, +/-: 0, H: 6
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KAAPO KEKKONEN | C | RETIRED
NAME: Kaapo Kekkonen
BIRTHPLACE: Helsinki, Finland
HEIGHT: 6'3"
WEIGHT: 210 lbs
NUMBER: 19
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SHL CAREER STATS
S25 LAP: GP: 50, G: 2, A: 3, P: 5, +/-: -4, H: 75
S26 LAP: GP: 50, G: 4, A: 5, P: 9, +/-: -13, H: 94
S27 LAP: GP: 50, G: 6, A: 9, P: 15, +/-: -2, H: 35
S28 LAP: GP: 50, G: 7, A: 10, P: 17, +/-: -2, H: 96
S29 LAP: GP: 50, G: 13, A: 21, P: 34, +/-: -15, H: 85
S30 LAP: GP: 50, G: 23, A: 22, P: 45, +/-: 4, H: 130
S31 LAP: GP: 50, G: 20, A: 18, P: 38, +/-: 5, H: 162
S32 LAP: GP: 50, G: 18, A: 28, P: 46, +/-: 27, H: 183
S33 LAP: GP: 50, G: 17, A: 22, P: 39, +/-: 20, H: 210
S34 LAP: GP: 50, G: 12, A: 25, P: 37, +/-: -2, H: 131
S35 LAP: GP: 50, G: 10, A: 22, P: 32, +/-: -3, H: 115
S36 LAP: GP: 50, G: 11, A: 20, P: 31, +/-: 10, H: 138
S37 LAP: GP: 36, G: 9, A: 17, P: 26, +/-: -1, H: 72
S37 WKP: GP: 14, G: 1, A: 0, P: 1, +/-: -4, H: 19
TOT : GP: 650, G: 153, A: 222, P: 375, +/-: 20, H: 1545
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SHL PLAYOFF STATS
S25 LAP: DNQ
S26 LAP: DNQ
S27 LAP: DNQ
S28 LAP: DNQ
S29 LAP: DNQ
S30 LAP: DNQ
S31 LAP: DNQ
S32 LAP: GP: 5, G: 1, A: 3, P: 4, +/-: -2, H: 15
S33 LAP: GP: 12, G: 2, A: 3, P: 5, +/-: 0, H: 38
S34 LAP: GP: 7, G: 1, A: 3, P: 4, +/-: 3, H: 23
S35 LAP: GP: 5, G: 1, A: 1, P: 2, +/-: -4, H: 4
S36 LAP: DNQ
S37 WKP: GP: 12, G: 0, A: 2, P: 2, +/-: -2, H: 35
TOT : GP: 41, G: 5, A: 12, P: 17, +/-: -5, H: 115
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TATU MÄKELÄ | D | RETIRED
NAME: Tatu Mäkelä
BIRTHPLACE: Tampere, Finland
HEIGHT: 5'11"
WEIGHT: 180 lbs
NUMBER: 65
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SHL CAREER STATS
S40 BUF: GP: 50, G: 5, A: 17, P: 22, +/-: -28, H: 14, SB: 86
S41 BUF: GP: 50, G: 10, A: 21, P: 31, +/-: -3, H: 9, SB: 78
S42 BUF: GP: 50, G: 9, A: 21, P: 30, +/-: 2, H: 13, SB: 65
S43 BUF: GP: 50, G: 6, A: 24, P: 30, +/-: 1, H: 8, SB: 51
S44 BUF: GP: 50, G: 6, A: 28, P: 34, +/-: -6, H: 10, SB: 63
S45 BUF: GP: 50, G: 4, A: 37, P: 41, +/-: 10, H: 130, SB: 71
S46 BUF: GP: 50, G: 6, A: 36, P: 42, +/-: 25, H: 139, SB: 73
S47 BUF: GP: 50, G: 5, A: 23, P: 28, +/-: -4, H: 137, SB: 76
S48 BUF: GP: 50, G: 7, A: 25, P: 32, +/-: 9, H: 151, SB: 70
S49 BUF: GP: 50, G: 6, A: 22, P: 28, +/-: 5, H: 159, SB: 66
S50 BUF: GP: 50, G: 6, A: 20, P: 26, +/-: 14, H: 152, SB: 72
S51 BUF: GP: 50, G: 3, A: 23, P: 26, +/-: 8, H: 143, SB: 50
S52 BUF: GP: 50, G: 9, A: 21, P: 30, +/-: -3, H: 141, SB: 71
S53 BUF: GP: 50, G: 5, A: 14, P: 19, +/-: 23, H: 50, SB: 98
TOT : GP: 700, G: 87, A: 332, P: 419, +/-: 53, H: 1256, SB: 990
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SHL PLAYOFF STATS
S40 BUF: DNQ
S41 BUF: GP: 7, G: 3, A: 2, P: 5, +/-: -3, H: 0, SB: 10
S42 BUF: GP: 5, G: 0, A: 1, P: 1, +/-: -9, H: 2, SB: 10
S43 BUF: GP: 9, G: 0, A: 5, P: 5, +/-: -1, H: 1, SB: 8
S44 BUF: DNQ
S45 BUF: DNQ
S46 BUF: GP: 17, G: 0, A: 12, P: 12, +/-: 11, H: 59, SB: 28
S47 BUF: GP: 13, G: 0, A: 5, P: 5, +/-: 2, H: 32, SB: 18
S48 BUF: GP: 22, G: 2, A: 10, P: 12, +/-: 2, H: 64, SB: 32
S49 BUF: GP: 5, G: 0, A: 5, P: 5, +/-: 5, H: 15, SB: 8
S50 BUF: GP: 6, G: 0, A: 5, P: 5, +/-: -2, H: 18, SB: 12
S51 BUF: GP: 8, G: 2, A: 5, P: 7, +/-: -3, H: 15, SB: 11
S52 BUF: GP: 15, G: 4, A: 5, P: 9, +/-: 4, H: 47, SB: 26
S53 BUF: GP: 4, G: 0, A: 0, P: 0, +/-: 0, H: 6, SB: 13
TOT : GP: 111, G: 11, A: 55, P: 66, +/-: 6, H: 159, SB: 176
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KOLJA KEKKONEN | D | RETIRED
NAME: Kolja Kekkonen
BIRTHPLACE: Lappeenranta, Finland
HEIGHT: 6'3"
WEIGHT: 225 lbs
NUMBER: 8
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SMJHL CAREER STATS
S53 DET: GP: 3, G: 0, A: 1, P: 1, +/-: -1, H: 2, SB: 0
S54 DET: GP: 50, G: 2, A: 8, P: 10, +/-: -6, H: 15, SB: 37
S55 DET: GP: 50, G: 4, A: 12, P: 16, +/-: -24, H: 32, SB: 24
S56 DET: GP: 50, G: 4, A: 17, P: 21, +/-: -20, H: 52, SB: 71
S57 ANA: GP: 66, G: 6, A: 20, P: 26, +/-: 14, H: 52, SB: 70
TOT : GP: 219, G: 16, A: 58, P: 74, +/-: -37, H: 153, SB: 202
SMJHL PLAYOFF STATS
S53 DET: DNP
S54 DET: GP: 7, G: 0, A: 0, P: 0, +/-: 0, H: 2, SB: 3
S55 DET: GP: 4, G: 0, A: 1, P: 1, +/-: -2, H: 3, SB: 0
S56 DET: GP: 5, G: 2, A: 2, P: 4, +/-: 0, H: 3, SB: 7
S57 ANA: GP: 21, G: 2, A: 13, P: 15, +/-: 5, H: 13, SB: 34
TOT : GP: 37, G: 4, A: 16, P: 20, +/-: 3, H: 22, SB: 44
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KEKW KEKKONEN | C | RETIRED
NAME: Karl-Erik-Karl2-Wojtek Kekkonen
BIRTHPLACE: Lohja, Finland
HEIGHT: 6'4"
WEIGHT: 220 lbs
NUMBER: 69
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SHL CAREER STATS
S61 BUF: GP: 66, G: 10, A: 28, P: 38, +/-: 21, H: 59, SH: 134
S62 BUF: GP: 66, G: 19, A: 36, P: 55, +/-: 9, H: 84, SH: 194
S63 BUF: GP: 66, G: 17, A: 14, P: 31, +/-: -13, H: 91, SH: 148
S64 BUF: GP: 66, G: 16, A: 51, P: 67, +/-: 36, H: 82, SH: 212
S65 BUF: GP: 66, G: 25, A: 41, P: 66, +/-: 33, H: 136, SH: 230
S66 BUF: GP: 66, G: 38, A: 43, P: 81, +/-: 18, H: 64, SH: 222
S67 BUF: GP: 66, G: 40, A: 45, P: 85, +/-: -6, H: 76, SH: 224
S68 BUF: GP: 66, G: 47, A: 46, P: 93, +/-: 45, H: 51, SH: 326
S69 BUF: GP: 66, G: 35, A: 31, P: 66, +/-: 22, H: 43, SH: 269
S70 BUF: GP: 66, G: 33, A: 48, P: 81, +/-: 18, H: 66, SH: 297
S71 BUF: GP: 66, G: 36, A: 41, P: 77, +/-: 37, H: 55, SH: 257
S72 BUF: GP: 66, G: 25, A: 35, P: 60, +/-: -1, H: 58, SH: 281
S73 BUF: GP: 66, G: 31, A: 41, P: 72, +/-: 23, H: 48, SH: 305
S74 BUF/WPG: GP: 66, G: 17, A: 47, P: 64, +/-: 33, H: 101, SH: 164
TOT : GP: 924, G: 389, A: 547, P: 936, +/-: 275, H: 1014, SH: 3263
SHL PLAYOFF STATS
S61 BUF: GP: 9, G: 2, A: 6, P: 8, +/-: 4, H: 11, SH: 24
S62 BUF: GP: 9, G: 3, A: 1, P: 4, +/-: 2, H: 5, SH: 25
S63 BUF: GP: 12, G: 1, A: 2, P: 3, +/-: -1, H: 32, SH: 33
S64 BUF: GP: 11, G: 2, A: 2, P: 4, +/-: -6, H: 12, SH: 41
S65 BUF: GP: 18, G: 4, A: 7, P: 11, +/-: 8, H: 34, SH: 62
S66 BUF: GP: 16, G: 11, A: 9, P: 20, +/-: 3, H: 13, SH: 49
S67 BUF: GP: 4, G: 2, A: 2, P: 4, +/-: -3, H: 3, SH: 20
S68 BUF: GP: 17, G: 6, A: 8, P: 14, +/-: -4, H: 11, SH: 75
S69 BUF: GP: 4, G: 1, A: 0, P: 1, +/-: -5, H: 2, SH: 13
S70 BUF: GP: 7, G: 1, A: 3, P: 4, +/-: -8, H: 2, SH: 25
S71 BUF: GP: 21, G: 12, A: 9, P: 21, +/-: 6, H: 24, SH: 97
S72 BUF: GP: 5, G: 0, A: 2, P: 2, +/-: -4, H: 7, SH: 25
S73 BUF: GP: 6, G: 3, A: 0, P: 3, +/-: -3, H: 11, SH: 33
S74 WPG: GP: 22, G: 3, A: 4, P: 7, +/-: -2, H: 15, SH: 37
TOT : GP: 161, G: 51, A: 55, P: 106, +/-: -11, H: 182, SH: 559
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KAL ÅKAR KEKKONEN | D | DETROIT FALCONS
NAME: Kal Åkar Kekkonen
BIRTHPLACE: The Wilderness, Gielinor
HEIGHT: 6'6"
WEIGHT: 240 lbs
NUMBER: 75
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SMJHL CAREER STATS
S74 DET: GP: 66, G: 6, A: 14, P: 20, +/-: 3, SH: 83, H: 76, SB: 29
S75 DET: GP: 66, G: 8, A: 22, P: 30, +/-: 31, SH: 129, H: 123, SB: 114

SMJHL PLAYOFF STATS
S74 DET: GP: 17, G: 3, A: 7, P: 10, +/-: 8, SH: 18, H: 16, SB: 5
S75 DET: GP: 14, G: 5, A: 6, P: 11, +/-: 2, SH: 40, H: 26, SB: 27
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We can't even stop teachers from fucking their students, but we're gonna trust them with guns

SMFH

Originally posted by Allen+Oct 6 2015, 04:39 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1' id='QUOTE-WRAP'><tr><td>QUOTE (Allen @ Oct 6 2015, 04:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
I've not had to use it for home defense. To say I don't have one handy is a lie, but it is locked up in a smaller, easily accessible case. I was raised to properly respect and take care of them.[/b]

Well I wish you the best of luck and sincerely hope that you are not victim to an accidental gun injury.

However I think that anyone who owns a gun in their home, regardless of if they lock it up or not, runs the risk of someone who is not a potential attacker being shot and/or killed(not even including the potential down the line for a situation to lead to a homicide due to a gun being in the home).

People always say "it won't happen to me because I am smart with my guns", but it happens all the time.

<!--QuoteBegin-Allen@Oct 6 2015, 04:41 PM

Solution to what? You're the least informed person in this thread and sound more ignorant than everybody else. You can't discern the difference between them, how would you know what should be legal and what shouldn't?[/quote]
I'd be careful throwing around the word "ignorant" when you yourself talked about heart disease as if it had any bearing on a gun-control debate.

Alonzo Garbanzo Final Tallies (Among Defensemen):
2nd in Goals (208), All-Time Assists Leader (765)*, All-Time Points Leader (973), 3rd in Hits (2587), All-Time Blocked Shots Leader (1882)*
*All-Time Leader Among All Skaters
Player Profile | Update Thread


Alonzo Garbanzo (Retired) | D | Minnesota Chiefs
Age: 41
Height: 6'1"
Weight: 185 lbs
Number: 2
Player Type: TWD
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SMJHL Regular Season Statistics (S20)
MTL | GP: 40 | G: 8 | A: 21 | P: 29 | +/-: +13 | SB: 62
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SMJHL Playoff Statistics (S20)
MTL | GP: 6 | G: 0 | A: 2 | P: 2 | +/-: -2 | SB: 9
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SHL Regular Season Statistics (S21-S43)
MIN | GP: 1158 | G: 200 | A: 750 | P: 950 | +/-: Even | HIT: 2538 | SB: 1807
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SHL Playoff Statistics (S21-S41)
MIN | GP: 139 | G: 20 | A: 89 | P: 109 | +/-: -19 | HIT: 291 | SB: 234
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IIHF Statistics (S21-S38)
SWE | GP: 211 | G: 36 | A: 125 | P: 161 | +/-: +16 | HIT: 553 | SB: 325
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International Awards
IIHF Gold Medal (S28, S29)
IIHF Silver Medal (S21, S27, S35)
IIHF Bronze Medal (S22, S23)
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Transactions
S20 | Drafted 3rd Overall to the Montreal Impact
S21 | Drafted 2nd Overall to the Minnesota Chiefs
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Notable Events
S21 | Named Alternate Captain of the Minnesota Chiefs
S23 | Named Captain of the Minnesota Chiefs
S24 | 4th in Assists
S24 | 4th in Defensemen Points
S26 | 1st in Assists
S26 | 1st in Defensemen Points
S26 | 2nd in Penalty Minutes
S27 | 1st in Defensemen Points
S27 | T-1st in Defensemen Goals
S27 | 1st in Blocked Shots
S27 | 2nd in Game-Tying Goals
S29 | 4th in Assists
S29 | 5th in Defensemen Points
S30 | 4th in Assists
S30 | 4th in Defensemen Points
S30 | T-3rd in Defensemen Goals
S30 | 3rd in Blocked Shots
S31 | 2nd in Assists
S31 | 2nd in Defensemen Points
S31 | 4th in Blocked Shots
S32 | 2nd in Blocked Shots
S33 | 1st in Blocked Shots
S33 | 1st in Defenseman Points
S33 | 3rd in Defenseman Goals
S34 | 4th in Assists
S34 | 2nd in Blocked Shots
S34 | 4th in Defenseman Points
S35 | 2nd in Defenseman Points
S36 | 4th in Assists
S36 | 5th in Blocked Shots
S36 | T-1st in Defenseman Points
S36 | T-4th in Defensemen Goals
S37 | T-3rd in Assists
S37 | T-3rd in Defensemen Goals
S37 | 3rd in Defensemen Points
S40 | 1st in Defenseman Points
S40 | T-4th in Defensemen Goals
S40 | 1st in Plus/Minus
S41 | T-2nd in Power Play Goals
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SHL All-Star Selections
9x SHL 1st Team (S26, S27, S30, S31, S33, S35, S36, S37, S40)
2x SHL 2nd Team (S24, S34)
2x SHL 3rd Team (S29, S32)
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SHL Awards
5x Scott Stevens Trophy (S27, S31, S33, S37, S40)
1x Ron Mexico Trophy (S27)
Aidan Richan Trophy (S24)
1x Challenge Cup (S39)
5x Scott Stevens Nominee (S24, S26, S30, S35, S36)
1x Ron Mexico Nominee (S31)
3x Damian Littleton Nominee (S26, S31, S40)
1x Challenge Cup Finalist (S40)


Borromini Cannellini | C | Los Angeles Panthers
Age: 16
Height: 6'-4"
Weight: 210 lbs
Number: 17
Player Type: SNP
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SMJHL Regular Season Statistics (S45-S47)
VAN | GP: 150 | G: 51 | A: 69 | P: 120 | +/-: +37 | HIT: 153
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SMJHL Playoff Statistics (S45-S47)
VAN | GP: 27 | G: 11 | A: 10 | P: 21 | +/-: +5 | HIT: 24
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SHL Regular Season Statistics (S48-)
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SHL Playoff Statistics (--)
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IIHF Statistics (--)
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International Awards
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Transactions
S45 | Drafted 7th Overall to the Vancouver Whalers
S46 | Drafted 10th Overall to the Los Angeles Panthers

Originally posted by Allen@Oct 6 2015, 01:41 PM

Solution to what? You're the least informed person in this thread and sound more ignorant than everybody else. You can't discern the difference between them, how would you know what should be legal and what shouldn't?

Fuck off Allen my respect for you went out the fucking window with your remark about car crashes and my daughter. I don't give a fuck what you say. Just because I don't know everything about guns I can't be worried about this shit? Fuck you.

#40 Niclas Wastlund - W - VANCOUVER WHALERS / MINNESOTA MONARCHS


NICLAS WASTLUND | HOF GM (LAP) - 1080 - 800 -178
Name: Niclas Wastlund
Age: 61
Height: 6'7"
Weight: 235 lbs
Number: 77
Birthplace: Hudiksvall, Sweden
Birthday: July 16th
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EEL Career Statistics
S1 STHLM: GP: 60 || G: 4 || A: 20 || P: 24 || +/-: 13 || PIMS: 112 || H: 133 || SB: 100
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NWJHL Career Statistics
S7 VAN: GP: 38 || G: 5 || A: 22 || P: 27 || +/-: 18 || PIMS: 22 || H: 63 || SB: 50
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SHL Career Statistics
S8 MIN: GP: 45 || G: 2 || A: 15 || P: 17 || +/-: 10 || PIMS: 81 || H: 54 || SB: 38 || TA: 23
S9 MIN: GP: 50 || G: 9 || A: 24|| P: 33 || +/-: 17 || PIMS: 95 || H: 116 || SB: 37 || TA: 60
S10 MIN: GP: 50 || G: 25 || A: 33 || P: 58 || +/-: 25 || PIMS: 62 || H: 136 || SB: 44 || TA: 38
S11 MIN: GP: 50 || G: 29 || A: 27 || P: 56 || +/-: 48 || PIMS: 31 || H: 194 || SB: 52 || TA: 41
S12 MIN: GP: 27 || G: 4 || A: 19 || P: 23 || +/-: 2 || PIMS: 31 || H: 60 || SB: 20 || TA: 00
S13 MIN: GP: 50 || G: 7 || A: 33 || P: 40 || +/-: 11 || PIMS: 57 || H: 91 || SB: 67 || TA: 0
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SHL Playoff Statistics
S8 MIN: GP: 12 || G: 1 || A: 5 || P: 6 || +/-: 2 || PIMS: 18 || H: 7 || SB: 14 || TA: 5
S9 MIN: GP: 7 || G: 1 || A: 1 || P: 2 || +/-: -3 || PIMS: 2 || H: 16 || SB: 6 || TA: 6
S10 MIN: GP: 21 || G: 6 || A: 5 || P: 11 || +/-: 5 || PIMS: 10 || H: 69 || SB: 14 || TA: 22
S11 MIN: GP: 11 || G: 5 || A: 3 || P: 8 || +/-: -8 || PIMS: 8 || H: 46 || SB: 12 || TA: 9
S12 MIN: GP: 15 || G: 1 || A: 13 || P: 14 || +/-: 5 || PIMS: 16 || H: 32 || SB: 9 || TA: NA
S13 MIN: GP: 9 || G: 2 || A: 8 || P: 10 || +/-: 0 || PIMS: 2 || H: 22 || SB: 20 || TA: NA
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SHL General Manager Record
S15 LAP: W: 20 || L: 24 || OTL: 6 ||  PTS: 46 || RESULT: 6th WEST - MISSED PLAYOFFS
S16 LAP: W: 33 || L: 15 || OTL: 2 ||  PTS: 68 || RESULT: 1st WEST  - LOST in 1st Round to EDM
S17 LAP: W: 29 || L: 16 || OTL: 5 ||  PTS: 63 || RESULT: 2nd WEST - CHALLENGE CUP CHAMPIONS 
S18 LAP: W: 25 || L: 23 || OTL: 2 ||  PTS: 52 || RESULT: 5th WEST - MISSED PLAYOFFS
S19 LAP: W: 27 || L: 17 || OTL: 6 ||  PTS: 60 || RESULT: 2nd WEST - LOST in 1st Round to SEA
S20 LAP: W: 26 || L: 15 || OTL: 9 ||  PTS: 61 || RESULT: 3rd WEST - LOST in 1st Round to TEX
S21 LAP: W: 26 || L: 19 || OTL: 7 ||  PTS: 59 || RESULT: 4th WEST - LOST 1st Round to TEX
S22 LAP: W: 33 || L: 13 || OTL: 6 ||  PTS: 72 || RESULT: 2nd WEST - LOST in Challenge Cup Finals to MAN
S23 LAP: W: 30 || L: 18 || OTL: 4 ||  PTS: 64 || RESULT: 1st WEST - LOST 1st Round to SEA
S24 LAP: W: 31 || L: 12 || OTL: 9 ||  PTS: 71 || RESULT: 1st WEST - LOST in Challenge Cup Finals to HAM
S25 LAP: W: 25 || L: 20 || OTL: 5 ||  PTS: 55 || RESULT: 6th WEST - MISSED PLAYOFFS
S26 LAP: W: 26 || L: 22 || OTL: 2 ||  PTS: 54 || RESULT: 5th WEST - MISSED PLAYOFFS
S27 LAP: W: 26 || L: 20 || OTL: 4 ||  PTS: 56 || RESULT: 5th WEST - MISSED PLAYOFFS
S28 LAP: W: 26 || L: 17 || OTL: 7 ||  PTS: 59 || RESULT: 5th WEST - MISSED PLAYOFFS
S29 LAP: W: 16 || L: 31 || OTL: 3 ||  PTS: 35 || RESULT: 6th WEST - MISSED PLAYOFFS
S30 LAP: W: 22 || L: 25 || OTL: 3 ||  PTS: 47 || RESULT: 6th WEST - MISSED PLAYOFFS
S31 LAP: W: 27 || L: 22 || OTL: 1 ||  PTS: 55 || RESULT: 5th WEST - MISSED PLAYOFFS
S32 LAP: W: 38 || L: 10 || OTL: 2 ||  PTS: 78 || RESULT: 1st WEST - LOST 1st Round to CAL
S33 LAP: W: 29 || L: 16 || OTL: 5 ||  PTS: 63 || RESULT: 3rd WEST - LOST 2nd Round to CAL
S34 LAP: W: 30 || L: 12 || OTL: 8 ||  PTS: 68 || RESULT: 1st WEST - LOST 1st Round to TEX
S35 LAP: W: 28 || L: 18 || OTL: 4 ||  PTS: 60 || RESULT: 3rd WEST - LOST 1st Round to POR
S36 LAP: W: 24 || L: 22 || OTL: 4 ||  PTS: 52 || RESULT: 5th WEST - MISSED PLAYOFFS
S37 LAP: W: 25 || L: 20 || OTL: 5 ||  PTS: 55 || RESULT: 5th WEST - MISSED PLAYOFFS
S38 LAP: W: 20 || L: 26 || OTL: 4 ||  PTS: 44 || RESULT: 5th WEST - MISSED PLAYOFFS
S39 LAP: W: 25 || L: 19 || OTL: 6 ||  PTS: 56 || RESULT: 4th WEST - LOST Challenge Cup Final to MIN
S40 LAP: W: 25 || L: 18 || OTL: 5 ||  PTS: 57 || RESULT: 5th WEST - MISSED PLAYOFFS
S41 LAP: W: 33 || L: 13 || OTL: 4 ||  PTS: 70 || RESULT: 2nd WEST - LOST Challenge Cup Final to WKP
S42 LAP: W: 28 || L: 22 || OTL: 0 ||  PTS: 56 || RESULT: 4th WEST - LOST 1st Round to EDM
S43 LAP: W: 28 || L: 20 || OTL: 2 ||  PTS: 58 || RESULT: 3rd WEST - LOST 2nd Round to WPG
S44 LAP: W: 30 || L: 16 || OTL: 4 ||  PTS: 64 || RESULT: 2nd WEST - LOST 1st Round to WPG
S45 LAP: W: 24 || L: 20 || OTL: 6 ||  PTS: 54 || RESULT: 4th WEST - LOST 1st Round to EDM
S46 LAP: W: 25 || L: 20 || OTL: 5 ||  PTS: 55 || RESULT: 3rd WEST - 2nd in Southwest -
S47 LAP: W: 20 || L: 25 || OTL: 5 ||  PTS: 45 || RESULT: 7th WEST - MISSED PLAYOFFS
S48 LAP: W: 20 || L: 29 || OTL: 1 ||  PTS: 41 || RESULT: 8th WEST - MISSED PLAYOFFS
S49 LAP: W: 21 || L: 19 || OTL: 10 ||  PTS: 52 || RESULT: 5th WEST - LOST Wildcard Round to EDM
S50 LAP: W: 26 || L: 23 || OTL: 1 ||  PTS: 53 || RESULT: 5th WEST - LOST Wildcard Round to CAL
S51 LAP: W: 21 || L: 25 || OTL: 4 ||  PTS: 46 || RESULT: 5th WEST - LOST Western Conference Finals to EDM
S52 LAP: W: 25 || L: 21 || OTL: 4 ||  PTS: 54 || RESULT: 4th WEST -
S53 LAP: W: 00 || L: 00 || OTL: 0 ||  PTS: 00 || RESULT: ??? WEST -
Total Record: W: 991 || L:  743 || OTL: 170  || TOTAL: 1,904
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Transactions:
Drafted 11th overall by Stockholm in the S1 EEL Draft
Drafted 7th Overall by Vancouver in EEL Supplemental Draft
Drafted 4th Overall by Minnesota in the S8 SHL Draft
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Accomplishments:
Named S1 Stampede Team Captain
Season 1 EEL All-Star Selection 
Named S7 Vancouver Alternate Captain
S7 Raymond Lindsay Award Winner (Fan voted League MVP)
Season 7 NWJHL All-Star Selection - 1st Overall in Fantasy Draft
1st Defenseman Taken in the S8 Draft
GM of Team Sweden at the S8 WJC
Team Sweden - Gold Medal Winner S8 WJC
S8 SHL All-Star
S9 SHL All-Star
S10 SHL All-Star - Voted #2 Starting D
S11 SHL All-Star - Voted #1 Starting D
S13 SHL All-Star
S9 Minnesota Chiefs Alternate Captain
S10 Minnesota Chiefs Alternate Captain
S11 Minnesota Chiefs Alternate Captain
S12 Minnesota Chiefs Alternate Captain
Team Sweden - S10 Olympic Team Captain
S10 Challenge Cup Champion - Minnesota Chiefs
S12 Challenge Cup Champion - Minnesota Chiefs
S10 Stevens Trophy Runner-Up
Vancouver Whalers' Top D-Man Trophy named "Niclas Wastlund Trophy"
** Suspended for 25 games in S12.
League Record for Best Plus/Minus in S11 for +48
Hired as Los Angeles Panthers GM - S15
Won Western Conference Title - S16
S17 Challenge Cup Champion - GM LA Panthers
S17 JJ Krever Award Winner (Top GM)
S22 Clarence Campbell Trophy Winner
S23 President's Trophy Award Winner
S24 President's Trophy Award Winner
S32 President's Trophy Award Winner
S32 Lance Uppercut Trophy Award Winner (Top GM)
S32 Joe McKeil Trophy Award Winner (Top Coach)
S34 Joe McKeil Trophy Award Winner (Top Coach)
S42 Joe McKeil Trophy Award Winner (Top Coach)
S43 Game 331 - 4-1 WIN v.s Toronto North Stars - 778th Win - 1st to hit this mark - Most Wins as a GM in SHL History
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Contract:
Signed 3yr/10.5M Contract in S8 with NTC.
Signed 5yr/18M Contract Extension in S10 with NTC
Retired S13
Retired as LA Panthers GM After the S55 Season

Originally posted by Wasty@Oct 6 2015, 01:37 PM
So pro-gun group what's your solution to this? You have excuses why more gun control can't happen so what's your solution to these problems?

Or is it just "hey pillows can kill so who cares?"
"People die from cancer so what's the difference?"

My favorite "Stuff happens."

The problem is the people not wanting to collaborate, and create laws that make sense. Do you know that you cannot have a folding stock on your assault rifle in California? What a nonsensical law.

The problem is the fuckin NRA and Anti-Gunactivists , have turned this into a facebook argument. Instead of working toward compromise both sides fight until a stand still and nothing gets done.

Originally posted by Wasty@Oct 6 2015, 04:41 PM

Bullshit. What happens when that teacher snaps? Who trains the teachers to carry a gun? If you're a teacher should you have to carry a gun to teach? That's a ludicrous statement.

A good gun with a gun doesn't always stop a bad guy with a gun.

I don't think we need every teacher to have a gun. I think there should be armed guards, though. I also think that if the teacher has a concealed carry permit, he/she should be able to carry it with them on school grounds. Reason being- If they were going to "Snap" or had intentions of killing kids, they'd do it either way, so I don't see that as being an issue and they could potentially save a lot of lives.

S2, S5, S18, S22 Challenge Cup Champion
Hall Of Famers: (S7) Alex Reay | (S28) Daniel Merica

LW- Daniel Merica | Rage | Hall of Fame
REGULAR SEASON STATS:
S15 | SEA | 50 GP | 11 G | 9 A | 20 PTS |15 H | 2 GWG
S16 | SEA | 50 GP | 8 G  | 7 A  | 15 PTS | 9 H
S17 | SEA | 50 GP | 18 G | 17 A | 35 PTS | 20 H | 3 GWG
S18 | SEA | 50 GP | 17 G | 24 A | 41 PTS | 89 H | 3 GWG
S19 | SEA | 50 GP | 17 G | 33 A | 50 PTS | 23 H | 2 GWG
S20 | SEA | 52 GP | 24 G | 23 A | 47 PTS | 52 H | 5 GWG
S21 | MAN| 52 GP | 22 G | 31 A | 53 PTS | 41 H | 6 GWG
S22 | MAN| 52 GP | 23 G | 35 A | 58 PTS |154 H| 1 GWG
S23 | MAN| 52 GP | 22 G | 23 A | 45 PTS | 105 H| 2 GWG
S24 | MAN| 52 GP | 16 G | 21 A | 37 PTS | 95 H | 1 GWG
S25 | MAN| 50 GP | 17 G | 20 A | 37 PTS |92 H
S26 | TEX | 50 GP | 18 G | 20 A | 38 PTS | 37 h
AWARDS
S15 SMJHL MVP
S18 Challenge Cup Champion
S21 1st Team All-Star
S22 1st Team All-Star
S22 Challenge Cup Champion
S28 1st Ballot Hall of Famer


LW- Daniel Merica Jr. | Stampede |  TPE: 1,013
SMJHL REGULAR SEASON STATS:
S59 | ANA | 66 GP | 9 G | 6 A | 15 P | 100.4 PDO |               
S60 | ANA | 66 GP | 14 G | 16 A | 30 P | 100.2 PDO |
S61 | STL | 66 GP | 17 G | 12 A | 29 P | 99.2 PDO
AWARDS:
S61 WJC GOLD MEDAL+ GWG
SMJHL TRANSACTIONS:
S59: Drafted 22nd Overall by Anaheim Outlaws
S61: Traded to St. Louis Scarecrows
SHL TRANSACTIONS:
S60: Drafted 16th Overall by Winnipeg Aurora
S62: Traded to Buffalo Stampede for S65 2nd



Thanks to Ragnar, Wasty and myself for the sigs.

Originally posted by probablydrunk@Oct 6 2015, 01:45 PM


The problem is the people not wanting to collaborate, and create laws that make sense.&nbsp; Do you know that you cannot have a folding stock on your assault rifle in California?&nbsp; What a nonsensical law.

The problem is the fuckin NRA and Anti-Gunactivists , have turned this into a facebook argument.&nbsp; Instead of working toward compromise both sides fight until a stand still and nothing gets done.

I'm 100% open to solutions and ideas besides "Stuff happens" bullshit excuse.

#40 Niclas Wastlund - W - VANCOUVER WHALERS / MINNESOTA MONARCHS


NICLAS WASTLUND | HOF GM (LAP) - 1080 - 800 -178
Name: Niclas Wastlund
Age: 61
Height: 6'7"
Weight: 235 lbs
Number: 77
Birthplace: Hudiksvall, Sweden
Birthday: July 16th
------------------------------------------------------------
EEL Career Statistics
S1 STHLM: GP: 60 || G: 4 || A: 20 || P: 24 || +/-: 13 || PIMS: 112 || H: 133 || SB: 100
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NWJHL Career Statistics
S7 VAN: GP: 38 || G: 5 || A: 22 || P: 27 || +/-: 18 || PIMS: 22 || H: 63 || SB: 50
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SHL Career Statistics
S8 MIN: GP: 45 || G: 2 || A: 15 || P: 17 || +/-: 10 || PIMS: 81 || H: 54 || SB: 38 || TA: 23
S9 MIN: GP: 50 || G: 9 || A: 24|| P: 33 || +/-: 17 || PIMS: 95 || H: 116 || SB: 37 || TA: 60
S10 MIN: GP: 50 || G: 25 || A: 33 || P: 58 || +/-: 25 || PIMS: 62 || H: 136 || SB: 44 || TA: 38
S11 MIN: GP: 50 || G: 29 || A: 27 || P: 56 || +/-: 48 || PIMS: 31 || H: 194 || SB: 52 || TA: 41
S12 MIN: GP: 27 || G: 4 || A: 19 || P: 23 || +/-: 2 || PIMS: 31 || H: 60 || SB: 20 || TA: 00
S13 MIN: GP: 50 || G: 7 || A: 33 || P: 40 || +/-: 11 || PIMS: 57 || H: 91 || SB: 67 || TA: 0
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SHL Playoff Statistics
S8 MIN: GP: 12 || G: 1 || A: 5 || P: 6 || +/-: 2 || PIMS: 18 || H: 7 || SB: 14 || TA: 5
S9 MIN: GP: 7 || G: 1 || A: 1 || P: 2 || +/-: -3 || PIMS: 2 || H: 16 || SB: 6 || TA: 6
S10 MIN: GP: 21 || G: 6 || A: 5 || P: 11 || +/-: 5 || PIMS: 10 || H: 69 || SB: 14 || TA: 22
S11 MIN: GP: 11 || G: 5 || A: 3 || P: 8 || +/-: -8 || PIMS: 8 || H: 46 || SB: 12 || TA: 9
S12 MIN: GP: 15 || G: 1 || A: 13 || P: 14 || +/-: 5 || PIMS: 16 || H: 32 || SB: 9 || TA: NA
S13 MIN: GP: 9 || G: 2 || A: 8 || P: 10 || +/-: 0 || PIMS: 2 || H: 22 || SB: 20 || TA: NA
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SHL General Manager Record
S15 LAP: W: 20 || L: 24 || OTL: 6 ||  PTS: 46 || RESULT: 6th WEST - MISSED PLAYOFFS
S16 LAP: W: 33 || L: 15 || OTL: 2 ||  PTS: 68 || RESULT: 1st WEST  - LOST in 1st Round to EDM
S17 LAP: W: 29 || L: 16 || OTL: 5 ||  PTS: 63 || RESULT: 2nd WEST - CHALLENGE CUP CHAMPIONS 
S18 LAP: W: 25 || L: 23 || OTL: 2 ||  PTS: 52 || RESULT: 5th WEST - MISSED PLAYOFFS
S19 LAP: W: 27 || L: 17 || OTL: 6 ||  PTS: 60 || RESULT: 2nd WEST - LOST in 1st Round to SEA
S20 LAP: W: 26 || L: 15 || OTL: 9 ||  PTS: 61 || RESULT: 3rd WEST - LOST in 1st Round to TEX
S21 LAP: W: 26 || L: 19 || OTL: 7 ||  PTS: 59 || RESULT: 4th WEST - LOST 1st Round to TEX
S22 LAP: W: 33 || L: 13 || OTL: 6 ||  PTS: 72 || RESULT: 2nd WEST - LOST in Challenge Cup Finals to MAN
S23 LAP: W: 30 || L: 18 || OTL: 4 ||  PTS: 64 || RESULT: 1st WEST - LOST 1st Round to SEA
S24 LAP: W: 31 || L: 12 || OTL: 9 ||  PTS: 71 || RESULT: 1st WEST - LOST in Challenge Cup Finals to HAM
S25 LAP: W: 25 || L: 20 || OTL: 5 ||  PTS: 55 || RESULT: 6th WEST - MISSED PLAYOFFS
S26 LAP: W: 26 || L: 22 || OTL: 2 ||  PTS: 54 || RESULT: 5th WEST - MISSED PLAYOFFS
S27 LAP: W: 26 || L: 20 || OTL: 4 ||  PTS: 56 || RESULT: 5th WEST - MISSED PLAYOFFS
S28 LAP: W: 26 || L: 17 || OTL: 7 ||  PTS: 59 || RESULT: 5th WEST - MISSED PLAYOFFS
S29 LAP: W: 16 || L: 31 || OTL: 3 ||  PTS: 35 || RESULT: 6th WEST - MISSED PLAYOFFS
S30 LAP: W: 22 || L: 25 || OTL: 3 ||  PTS: 47 || RESULT: 6th WEST - MISSED PLAYOFFS
S31 LAP: W: 27 || L: 22 || OTL: 1 ||  PTS: 55 || RESULT: 5th WEST - MISSED PLAYOFFS
S32 LAP: W: 38 || L: 10 || OTL: 2 ||  PTS: 78 || RESULT: 1st WEST - LOST 1st Round to CAL
S33 LAP: W: 29 || L: 16 || OTL: 5 ||  PTS: 63 || RESULT: 3rd WEST - LOST 2nd Round to CAL
S34 LAP: W: 30 || L: 12 || OTL: 8 ||  PTS: 68 || RESULT: 1st WEST - LOST 1st Round to TEX
S35 LAP: W: 28 || L: 18 || OTL: 4 ||  PTS: 60 || RESULT: 3rd WEST - LOST 1st Round to POR
S36 LAP: W: 24 || L: 22 || OTL: 4 ||  PTS: 52 || RESULT: 5th WEST - MISSED PLAYOFFS
S37 LAP: W: 25 || L: 20 || OTL: 5 ||  PTS: 55 || RESULT: 5th WEST - MISSED PLAYOFFS
S38 LAP: W: 20 || L: 26 || OTL: 4 ||  PTS: 44 || RESULT: 5th WEST - MISSED PLAYOFFS
S39 LAP: W: 25 || L: 19 || OTL: 6 ||  PTS: 56 || RESULT: 4th WEST - LOST Challenge Cup Final to MIN
S40 LAP: W: 25 || L: 18 || OTL: 5 ||  PTS: 57 || RESULT: 5th WEST - MISSED PLAYOFFS
S41 LAP: W: 33 || L: 13 || OTL: 4 ||  PTS: 70 || RESULT: 2nd WEST - LOST Challenge Cup Final to WKP
S42 LAP: W: 28 || L: 22 || OTL: 0 ||  PTS: 56 || RESULT: 4th WEST - LOST 1st Round to EDM
S43 LAP: W: 28 || L: 20 || OTL: 2 ||  PTS: 58 || RESULT: 3rd WEST - LOST 2nd Round to WPG
S44 LAP: W: 30 || L: 16 || OTL: 4 ||  PTS: 64 || RESULT: 2nd WEST - LOST 1st Round to WPG
S45 LAP: W: 24 || L: 20 || OTL: 6 ||  PTS: 54 || RESULT: 4th WEST - LOST 1st Round to EDM
S46 LAP: W: 25 || L: 20 || OTL: 5 ||  PTS: 55 || RESULT: 3rd WEST - 2nd in Southwest -
S47 LAP: W: 20 || L: 25 || OTL: 5 ||  PTS: 45 || RESULT: 7th WEST - MISSED PLAYOFFS
S48 LAP: W: 20 || L: 29 || OTL: 1 ||  PTS: 41 || RESULT: 8th WEST - MISSED PLAYOFFS
S49 LAP: W: 21 || L: 19 || OTL: 10 ||  PTS: 52 || RESULT: 5th WEST - LOST Wildcard Round to EDM
S50 LAP: W: 26 || L: 23 || OTL: 1 ||  PTS: 53 || RESULT: 5th WEST - LOST Wildcard Round to CAL
S51 LAP: W: 21 || L: 25 || OTL: 4 ||  PTS: 46 || RESULT: 5th WEST - LOST Western Conference Finals to EDM
S52 LAP: W: 25 || L: 21 || OTL: 4 ||  PTS: 54 || RESULT: 4th WEST -
S53 LAP: W: 00 || L: 00 || OTL: 0 ||  PTS: 00 || RESULT: ??? WEST -
Total Record: W: 991 || L:  743 || OTL: 170  || TOTAL: 1,904
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Transactions:
Drafted 11th overall by Stockholm in the S1 EEL Draft
Drafted 7th Overall by Vancouver in EEL Supplemental Draft
Drafted 4th Overall by Minnesota in the S8 SHL Draft
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Accomplishments:
Named S1 Stampede Team Captain
Season 1 EEL All-Star Selection 
Named S7 Vancouver Alternate Captain
S7 Raymond Lindsay Award Winner (Fan voted League MVP)
Season 7 NWJHL All-Star Selection - 1st Overall in Fantasy Draft
1st Defenseman Taken in the S8 Draft
GM of Team Sweden at the S8 WJC
Team Sweden - Gold Medal Winner S8 WJC
S8 SHL All-Star
S9 SHL All-Star
S10 SHL All-Star - Voted #2 Starting D
S11 SHL All-Star - Voted #1 Starting D
S13 SHL All-Star
S9 Minnesota Chiefs Alternate Captain
S10 Minnesota Chiefs Alternate Captain
S11 Minnesota Chiefs Alternate Captain
S12 Minnesota Chiefs Alternate Captain
Team Sweden - S10 Olympic Team Captain
S10 Challenge Cup Champion - Minnesota Chiefs
S12 Challenge Cup Champion - Minnesota Chiefs
S10 Stevens Trophy Runner-Up
Vancouver Whalers' Top D-Man Trophy named "Niclas Wastlund Trophy"
** Suspended for 25 games in S12.
League Record for Best Plus/Minus in S11 for +48
Hired as Los Angeles Panthers GM - S15
Won Western Conference Title - S16
S17 Challenge Cup Champion - GM LA Panthers
S17 JJ Krever Award Winner (Top GM)
S22 Clarence Campbell Trophy Winner
S23 President's Trophy Award Winner
S24 President's Trophy Award Winner
S32 President's Trophy Award Winner
S32 Lance Uppercut Trophy Award Winner (Top GM)
S32 Joe McKeil Trophy Award Winner (Top Coach)
S34 Joe McKeil Trophy Award Winner (Top Coach)
S42 Joe McKeil Trophy Award Winner (Top Coach)
S43 Game 331 - 4-1 WIN v.s Toronto North Stars - 778th Win - 1st to hit this mark - Most Wins as a GM in SHL History
--------------------------------------------------
Contract:
Signed 3yr/10.5M Contract in S8 with NTC.
Signed 5yr/18M Contract Extension in S10 with NTC
Retired S13
Retired as LA Panthers GM After the S55 Season

If guns kill people than spoons made me fat

I think we should let more people carry guns or make it easier to have concealed carry permits. Would you rob a bank if you knew that everyone in there had a gun?

Edit: BTW I didn't read all 20 pages of this...

Originally posted by Wasty@Oct 6 2015, 04:47 PM

I'm 100% open to solutions and ideas besides "Stuff happens" bullshit excuse.

The obvious answer is more strict background checks and psychological analysis for new gun owners. Honestly I don't think either would change much though. Because the guns these people are using a good chunk of times weren't purchased by the shooter...

Thank you to My boys @Merica and @Ragnar for the lovely sigs!

Originally posted by LVShark@Oct 6 2015, 01:48 PM
If guns kill people than spoons made me fat

I think we should let more people carry guns or make it easier to have concealed carry permits. Would you rob a bank if you knew that everyone in there had a gun?

Oregon has some relaxed gun laws, UCC isn't a gun free zone. There were people at the college with guns on them and they didn't do anything. The one person that tried to stop the shooter didn't have a gun on him.

#40 Niclas Wastlund - W - VANCOUVER WHALERS / MINNESOTA MONARCHS


NICLAS WASTLUND | HOF GM (LAP) - 1080 - 800 -178
Name: Niclas Wastlund
Age: 61
Height: 6'7"
Weight: 235 lbs
Number: 77
Birthplace: Hudiksvall, Sweden
Birthday: July 16th
------------------------------------------------------------
EEL Career Statistics
S1 STHLM: GP: 60 || G: 4 || A: 20 || P: 24 || +/-: 13 || PIMS: 112 || H: 133 || SB: 100
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NWJHL Career Statistics
S7 VAN: GP: 38 || G: 5 || A: 22 || P: 27 || +/-: 18 || PIMS: 22 || H: 63 || SB: 50
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SHL Career Statistics
S8 MIN: GP: 45 || G: 2 || A: 15 || P: 17 || +/-: 10 || PIMS: 81 || H: 54 || SB: 38 || TA: 23
S9 MIN: GP: 50 || G: 9 || A: 24|| P: 33 || +/-: 17 || PIMS: 95 || H: 116 || SB: 37 || TA: 60
S10 MIN: GP: 50 || G: 25 || A: 33 || P: 58 || +/-: 25 || PIMS: 62 || H: 136 || SB: 44 || TA: 38
S11 MIN: GP: 50 || G: 29 || A: 27 || P: 56 || +/-: 48 || PIMS: 31 || H: 194 || SB: 52 || TA: 41
S12 MIN: GP: 27 || G: 4 || A: 19 || P: 23 || +/-: 2 || PIMS: 31 || H: 60 || SB: 20 || TA: 00
S13 MIN: GP: 50 || G: 7 || A: 33 || P: 40 || +/-: 11 || PIMS: 57 || H: 91 || SB: 67 || TA: 0
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SHL Playoff Statistics
S8 MIN: GP: 12 || G: 1 || A: 5 || P: 6 || +/-: 2 || PIMS: 18 || H: 7 || SB: 14 || TA: 5
S9 MIN: GP: 7 || G: 1 || A: 1 || P: 2 || +/-: -3 || PIMS: 2 || H: 16 || SB: 6 || TA: 6
S10 MIN: GP: 21 || G: 6 || A: 5 || P: 11 || +/-: 5 || PIMS: 10 || H: 69 || SB: 14 || TA: 22
S11 MIN: GP: 11 || G: 5 || A: 3 || P: 8 || +/-: -8 || PIMS: 8 || H: 46 || SB: 12 || TA: 9
S12 MIN: GP: 15 || G: 1 || A: 13 || P: 14 || +/-: 5 || PIMS: 16 || H: 32 || SB: 9 || TA: NA
S13 MIN: GP: 9 || G: 2 || A: 8 || P: 10 || +/-: 0 || PIMS: 2 || H: 22 || SB: 20 || TA: NA
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SHL General Manager Record
S15 LAP: W: 20 || L: 24 || OTL: 6 ||  PTS: 46 || RESULT: 6th WEST - MISSED PLAYOFFS
S16 LAP: W: 33 || L: 15 || OTL: 2 ||  PTS: 68 || RESULT: 1st WEST  - LOST in 1st Round to EDM
S17 LAP: W: 29 || L: 16 || OTL: 5 ||  PTS: 63 || RESULT: 2nd WEST - CHALLENGE CUP CHAMPIONS 
S18 LAP: W: 25 || L: 23 || OTL: 2 ||  PTS: 52 || RESULT: 5th WEST - MISSED PLAYOFFS
S19 LAP: W: 27 || L: 17 || OTL: 6 ||  PTS: 60 || RESULT: 2nd WEST - LOST in 1st Round to SEA
S20 LAP: W: 26 || L: 15 || OTL: 9 ||  PTS: 61 || RESULT: 3rd WEST - LOST in 1st Round to TEX
S21 LAP: W: 26 || L: 19 || OTL: 7 ||  PTS: 59 || RESULT: 4th WEST - LOST 1st Round to TEX
S22 LAP: W: 33 || L: 13 || OTL: 6 ||  PTS: 72 || RESULT: 2nd WEST - LOST in Challenge Cup Finals to MAN
S23 LAP: W: 30 || L: 18 || OTL: 4 ||  PTS: 64 || RESULT: 1st WEST - LOST 1st Round to SEA
S24 LAP: W: 31 || L: 12 || OTL: 9 ||  PTS: 71 || RESULT: 1st WEST - LOST in Challenge Cup Finals to HAM
S25 LAP: W: 25 || L: 20 || OTL: 5 ||  PTS: 55 || RESULT: 6th WEST - MISSED PLAYOFFS
S26 LAP: W: 26 || L: 22 || OTL: 2 ||  PTS: 54 || RESULT: 5th WEST - MISSED PLAYOFFS
S27 LAP: W: 26 || L: 20 || OTL: 4 ||  PTS: 56 || RESULT: 5th WEST - MISSED PLAYOFFS
S28 LAP: W: 26 || L: 17 || OTL: 7 ||  PTS: 59 || RESULT: 5th WEST - MISSED PLAYOFFS
S29 LAP: W: 16 || L: 31 || OTL: 3 ||  PTS: 35 || RESULT: 6th WEST - MISSED PLAYOFFS
S30 LAP: W: 22 || L: 25 || OTL: 3 ||  PTS: 47 || RESULT: 6th WEST - MISSED PLAYOFFS
S31 LAP: W: 27 || L: 22 || OTL: 1 ||  PTS: 55 || RESULT: 5th WEST - MISSED PLAYOFFS
S32 LAP: W: 38 || L: 10 || OTL: 2 ||  PTS: 78 || RESULT: 1st WEST - LOST 1st Round to CAL
S33 LAP: W: 29 || L: 16 || OTL: 5 ||  PTS: 63 || RESULT: 3rd WEST - LOST 2nd Round to CAL
S34 LAP: W: 30 || L: 12 || OTL: 8 ||  PTS: 68 || RESULT: 1st WEST - LOST 1st Round to TEX
S35 LAP: W: 28 || L: 18 || OTL: 4 ||  PTS: 60 || RESULT: 3rd WEST - LOST 1st Round to POR
S36 LAP: W: 24 || L: 22 || OTL: 4 ||  PTS: 52 || RESULT: 5th WEST - MISSED PLAYOFFS
S37 LAP: W: 25 || L: 20 || OTL: 5 ||  PTS: 55 || RESULT: 5th WEST - MISSED PLAYOFFS
S38 LAP: W: 20 || L: 26 || OTL: 4 ||  PTS: 44 || RESULT: 5th WEST - MISSED PLAYOFFS
S39 LAP: W: 25 || L: 19 || OTL: 6 ||  PTS: 56 || RESULT: 4th WEST - LOST Challenge Cup Final to MIN
S40 LAP: W: 25 || L: 18 || OTL: 5 ||  PTS: 57 || RESULT: 5th WEST - MISSED PLAYOFFS
S41 LAP: W: 33 || L: 13 || OTL: 4 ||  PTS: 70 || RESULT: 2nd WEST - LOST Challenge Cup Final to WKP
S42 LAP: W: 28 || L: 22 || OTL: 0 ||  PTS: 56 || RESULT: 4th WEST - LOST 1st Round to EDM
S43 LAP: W: 28 || L: 20 || OTL: 2 ||  PTS: 58 || RESULT: 3rd WEST - LOST 2nd Round to WPG
S44 LAP: W: 30 || L: 16 || OTL: 4 ||  PTS: 64 || RESULT: 2nd WEST - LOST 1st Round to WPG
S45 LAP: W: 24 || L: 20 || OTL: 6 ||  PTS: 54 || RESULT: 4th WEST - LOST 1st Round to EDM
S46 LAP: W: 25 || L: 20 || OTL: 5 ||  PTS: 55 || RESULT: 3rd WEST - 2nd in Southwest -
S47 LAP: W: 20 || L: 25 || OTL: 5 ||  PTS: 45 || RESULT: 7th WEST - MISSED PLAYOFFS
S48 LAP: W: 20 || L: 29 || OTL: 1 ||  PTS: 41 || RESULT: 8th WEST - MISSED PLAYOFFS
S49 LAP: W: 21 || L: 19 || OTL: 10 ||  PTS: 52 || RESULT: 5th WEST - LOST Wildcard Round to EDM
S50 LAP: W: 26 || L: 23 || OTL: 1 ||  PTS: 53 || RESULT: 5th WEST - LOST Wildcard Round to CAL
S51 LAP: W: 21 || L: 25 || OTL: 4 ||  PTS: 46 || RESULT: 5th WEST - LOST Western Conference Finals to EDM
S52 LAP: W: 25 || L: 21 || OTL: 4 ||  PTS: 54 || RESULT: 4th WEST -
S53 LAP: W: 00 || L: 00 || OTL: 0 ||  PTS: 00 || RESULT: ??? WEST -
Total Record: W: 991 || L:  743 || OTL: 170  || TOTAL: 1,904
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Transactions:
Drafted 11th overall by Stockholm in the S1 EEL Draft
Drafted 7th Overall by Vancouver in EEL Supplemental Draft
Drafted 4th Overall by Minnesota in the S8 SHL Draft
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Accomplishments:
Named S1 Stampede Team Captain
Season 1 EEL All-Star Selection 
Named S7 Vancouver Alternate Captain
S7 Raymond Lindsay Award Winner (Fan voted League MVP)
Season 7 NWJHL All-Star Selection - 1st Overall in Fantasy Draft
1st Defenseman Taken in the S8 Draft
GM of Team Sweden at the S8 WJC
Team Sweden - Gold Medal Winner S8 WJC
S8 SHL All-Star
S9 SHL All-Star
S10 SHL All-Star - Voted #2 Starting D
S11 SHL All-Star - Voted #1 Starting D
S13 SHL All-Star
S9 Minnesota Chiefs Alternate Captain
S10 Minnesota Chiefs Alternate Captain
S11 Minnesota Chiefs Alternate Captain
S12 Minnesota Chiefs Alternate Captain
Team Sweden - S10 Olympic Team Captain
S10 Challenge Cup Champion - Minnesota Chiefs
S12 Challenge Cup Champion - Minnesota Chiefs
S10 Stevens Trophy Runner-Up
Vancouver Whalers' Top D-Man Trophy named "Niclas Wastlund Trophy"
** Suspended for 25 games in S12.
League Record for Best Plus/Minus in S11 for +48
Hired as Los Angeles Panthers GM - S15
Won Western Conference Title - S16
S17 Challenge Cup Champion - GM LA Panthers
S17 JJ Krever Award Winner (Top GM)
S22 Clarence Campbell Trophy Winner
S23 President's Trophy Award Winner
S24 President's Trophy Award Winner
S32 President's Trophy Award Winner
S32 Lance Uppercut Trophy Award Winner (Top GM)
S32 Joe McKeil Trophy Award Winner (Top Coach)
S34 Joe McKeil Trophy Award Winner (Top Coach)
S42 Joe McKeil Trophy Award Winner (Top Coach)
S43 Game 331 - 4-1 WIN v.s Toronto North Stars - 778th Win - 1st to hit this mark - Most Wins as a GM in SHL History
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Contract:
Signed 3yr/10.5M Contract in S8 with NTC.
Signed 5yr/18M Contract Extension in S10 with NTC
Retired S13
Retired as LA Panthers GM After the S55 Season

Originally posted by Allen@Oct 6 2015, 10:41 PM

Solution to what? You're the least informed person in this thread and sound more ignorant than everybody else. You can't discern the difference between them, how would you know what should be legal and what shouldn't?

Have you only been reading the pro-gun posts? The solution to the fact that America has experienced an epidemic of mass shootings, and that America has a rate of death by firearm which is inordinately higher than any other developed countries. If you're so well-informed, let us hear your opinion on how to solve these issues.

Originally posted by LVShark@Oct 6 2015, 04:48 PM
If guns kill people than spoons made me fat

I think we should let more people carry guns or make it easier to have concealed carry permits. Would you rob a bank if you knew that everyone in there had a gun?

Edit: BTW I didn't read all 20 pages of this...

^

Originally posted by Wasty@Oct 6 2015, 04:50 PM

Oregon has some relaxed gun laws, UCC isn't a gun free zone. There were people at the college with guns on them and they didn't do anything. The one person that tried to stop the shooter didn't have a gun on him.

Just because they didn't do anything doesn't mean they should increase gun laws. I'm confused by what point you are trying to make?

S2, S5, S18, S22 Challenge Cup Champion
Hall Of Famers: (S7) Alex Reay | (S28) Daniel Merica

LW- Daniel Merica | Rage | Hall of Fame
REGULAR SEASON STATS:
S15 | SEA | 50 GP | 11 G | 9 A | 20 PTS |15 H | 2 GWG
S16 | SEA | 50 GP | 8 G  | 7 A  | 15 PTS | 9 H
S17 | SEA | 50 GP | 18 G | 17 A | 35 PTS | 20 H | 3 GWG
S18 | SEA | 50 GP | 17 G | 24 A | 41 PTS | 89 H | 3 GWG
S19 | SEA | 50 GP | 17 G | 33 A | 50 PTS | 23 H | 2 GWG
S20 | SEA | 52 GP | 24 G | 23 A | 47 PTS | 52 H | 5 GWG
S21 | MAN| 52 GP | 22 G | 31 A | 53 PTS | 41 H | 6 GWG
S22 | MAN| 52 GP | 23 G | 35 A | 58 PTS |154 H| 1 GWG
S23 | MAN| 52 GP | 22 G | 23 A | 45 PTS | 105 H| 2 GWG
S24 | MAN| 52 GP | 16 G | 21 A | 37 PTS | 95 H | 1 GWG
S25 | MAN| 50 GP | 17 G | 20 A | 37 PTS |92 H
S26 | TEX | 50 GP | 18 G | 20 A | 38 PTS | 37 h
AWARDS
S15 SMJHL MVP
S18 Challenge Cup Champion
S21 1st Team All-Star
S22 1st Team All-Star
S22 Challenge Cup Champion
S28 1st Ballot Hall of Famer


LW- Daniel Merica Jr. | Stampede |  TPE: 1,013
SMJHL REGULAR SEASON STATS:
S59 | ANA | 66 GP | 9 G | 6 A | 15 P | 100.4 PDO |               
S60 | ANA | 66 GP | 14 G | 16 A | 30 P | 100.2 PDO |
S61 | STL | 66 GP | 17 G | 12 A | 29 P | 99.2 PDO
AWARDS:
S61 WJC GOLD MEDAL+ GWG
SMJHL TRANSACTIONS:
S59: Drafted 22nd Overall by Anaheim Outlaws
S61: Traded to St. Louis Scarecrows
SHL TRANSACTIONS:
S60: Drafted 16th Overall by Winnipeg Aurora
S62: Traded to Buffalo Stampede for S65 2nd



Thanks to Ragnar, Wasty and myself for the sigs.

Originally posted by Wasty@Oct 6 2015, 01:50 PM

Oregon has some relaxed gun laws, UCC isn't a gun free zone. There were people at the college with guns on them and they didn't do anything. The one person that tried to stop the shooter didn't have a gun on him.

Then maybe we should look at those people who could've stopped the shooter sooner by using their own guns