Originally posted by Reynolds@Jan 3 2016, 03:10 PM
Am I the only one that thinks Drouin isn't as good as advertised? I just don't think he is as good as he thinks he is or fans think he is.

When he's on the ice I've been pretty impressed with him at times and shake my head others. He's gotta simplify his play if he's on a team like TB, or if he's on a team that can let him try to explode let him go and do his thing. Then he'll be successful. He's not a good fit with how he's trying to play and how the team wants him to play.

Thank you to My boys @Merica and @Ragnar for the lovely sigs!

Is MDC really a similar prospect at this point?

Yakupov is an interesting mention but you have to wonder if Colorado takes a run.

I know Colorado and its fans think the world of him, but if they take a run, you have to think Rantanen is one of the first targets for TB.

Originally posted by Maxy@Jan 3 2016, 03:09 PM

Yeah I'm fully prepared to not be thrilled about the return for him. But he doesn't have a spot on the roster right now and given he's not exactly useful in the bottom 6, and he's not producing enough in the top 6 it might be time to move on. I just hope it's a stomachable return.

(Or if the Ducks managed to pull him away   )

I feel like this might be the Devils opportunity to trade from their position of strength (defense) for a real legitimate youth on offense, Drouin could be the long term solution we're looking for at center and we have the pieces to give up on our backend, we could even take back a bad contract from Tampa like Coburn or something to make it work, and that way they also have more cap space in the summer to sign Stamkos.

RYAN RIELEY | LW | NEW ENGLAND WOLFPACK | 546 TPE
NAME: RYAN RIELEY
NATIONALITY: USA
HEIGHT: 6'4"
WEIGHT: 210 LBS
NUMBER: 89
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SMJHL CAREER STATS
S53 CAR: GP: 11, G: 2, A: 2, P: 4, +/-: -3, H: 16, CF: 34.9%, CF Rel: -5.1%
S54 COL: GP: 50, G: 8, A: 5, P: 13, +/-: -10, H: 99, CF: 49.8%, CF Rel: -8.9%
S55 QUE: GP: 50, G: 12, A: 7, P: 19, +/-: -17, H: 109, CF: 41.7%, CF Rel: +5.6%
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SHL CAREER STATS

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IIHF CAREER STATS
S54 SWE-JR: GP: 12, G: 1, A: 5, P: 6, +/-: +4, H: 29, CF: 50.6%, CF Rel: +8.9%
S55 USA-JR: GP: 12, G: 1, A: 0, P: 1, +/-: -3, H: 11, CF: 54.1%, CF Rel: -5.0%
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SMJHL PLAYOFF STATS
S53 CAR: GP: 4, G: 0, A: 1, P: 1, +/-: E, H: 8, CF: 28.7%, CF Rel: -11.1%
S54 COL: GP: 5, G: 1, A: 1, P: 2, +/-: -1, H: 11, CF: 43.5%, CF Rel: -7.2%
S55 QUE: GP: 10, G: 2, A: 1, P: 3, +/-: -5, H: 20, CF: 42.9%, CF Rel: +7.5%
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SHL PLAYOFF STATS

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IIHF MEDAL ROUND STATS
S54 SWE-JR: GP: 1, G: 0, A: 1, P: 1, +/-: +1, H: 4, CF: 42.9%, CF Rel: -9.4%
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AWARDS:

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TRANSACTIONS:
S53: SIGNED DFA CONTRACT WITH THE CAROLINA KRAKEN
S54: DRAFTED 34TH OVERALL BY THE COLORADO RAPTORS IN THE SMJHL DRAFT
S54: LOANED FROM USA TO SWEDEN FOR THE WORLD JUNIORS
S55: DRAFTED 15TH OVERALL BY THE NEW ENGLAND WOLFPACK IN THE SHL DRAFT
S55: SIGNED A 1-YEAR, $3.0M ELC WITH NEW ENGLAND
S55: DRAFTED 7TH OVERALL BY QUEBEC CITY IN THE SMJHL EXPANSION DRAFT
S56: SIGNED A 2-YEAR, $6.0M EXTENSION WITH NEW ENGLAND


NICO GRØSS | RW | RETIRED
NAME: NICO GRØSS
NATIONALITY: SWITZERLAND
IIHF AFFILIATION: CZECHOSLOVAKIA
HEIGHT: 6'0"
WEIGHT: 198 LBS
NUMBER: 8
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SMJHL CAREER STATS
S37 COL: GP: 50, G: 11, A: 15, P: 26, +/-: -1, H: 93
S38 COL: GP: 50, G: 7, A: 25, P: 32, +/-: -5, H: 134
S39 COL: GP: 50, G: 2, A: 26, P: 28, +/-: +8, H: 85
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SHL CAREER STATS
S40 BUF: GP: 50, G: 1, A: 11, P: 12, +/-: -14, H: 148
S41 BUF: GP: 50, G: 1, A: 11, P: 12, +/-: -13, H: 146
S42 BUF: GP: 0, G: 0, A: 0, P: 0, +/-: E, H: 0
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IIHF CAREER STATS
S38 CZE: GP: 10, G: 0, A: 0, P: 0, +/-: -2, H: 22
S39 CZE: GP: 10, G: 0, A: 0, P: 0, +/-: -4, H: 18
S40 CZE: GP: 10, G: 0, A: 3, P: 3, +/-: -1, H: 23
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WJC CAREER STATS
S38 EU-C: GP: 5, G: 0, A: 1, P: 1, +/-: -6, H: 13
S39 EU-E: GP: 7, G: 0, A: 2, P: 2, +/-: -1, H: 17
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SMJHL PLAYOFF STATS
S37 COL: GP: 7, G: 0, A: 3, P: 3, +/-: +1, H: 15
S38 COL: N/A
S39 COL: GP: 5, G: 1, A: 3, P: 4, +/-: +1, H: 11
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SHL PLAYOFF STATS
S40 BUF: N/A
S41 BUF: GP: 7, G: 0, A: 1, P: 1, +/-: +1, H: 23
S42 BUF: TBD
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IIHF MEDAL ROUND STATS
S38 CZE: N/A
S39 CZE: N/A
S40 CZE: N/A
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AWARDS:

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TRANSACTIONS:
S37: DRAFTED 3RD OVERALL IN THE SMJHL DRAFT BY COLORADO
S37: SIGNED 1 YEAR/$3.0M JUNIOR CONTRACT WITH COLORADO
S38: DRAFTED 6TH OVERALL IN THE SHL DRAFT BY BUFFALO
S38: SIGNED 2 YEAR/$5.0M ELC WITH BUFFALO
S38: TRANSFERRED IIHF AFFILIATION TO CZECHOSLOVAKIA
S38: NAMED TO TEAM EUROPE - CENTRAL FOR THE WORLD JUNIORS
S39: NAMED TO TEAM EUROPE - WEST FOR THE WORLD JUNIORS
S39: SIGNED 2 YEAR/$8.0M EXTENSION WITH BUFFALO
S41: SIGNED 3 YEAR/$12.0M EXTENSION WITH BUFFALO


CASEY HOLMES | G | RETIRED
NAME: CASEY HOLMES
NATIONALITY: USA
HEIGHT: 6'3"
WEIGHT: 185 LBS
NUMBER: 30
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SMJHL CAREER STATS
S28 STL: 42GP, 18W, 3.21GAA, .872SV%, 4SO
S29 STL: 44GP, 26W, 2.70GAA, .890SV%, 2SO
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SHL CAREER STATS
S30 BUF: 32GP, 10W, 3.43GAA, .894SV%, 1SO
S31 BUF: 44GP, 15W, 2.95GAA, .904SV%, 3SO
S32 BUF: 41GP, 17W, 2.87GAA, .907SV%, 3SO
S33 BUF: 44GP, 21W, 2.85GAA, .907SV%, 3SO
S34 BUF: 44GP, 16W, 3.29GAA, .902SV%, 2SO
S35 BUF: 44GP, 18W, 2.69GAA, .909SV%, 3SO
S36 BUF: 44GP, 27W, 2.81GAA, .908SV%, 2SO
S37 BUF: 45GP, 23W, 2.86GAA, .909SV%, 3SO
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IIHF CAREER STATS
S34 USA: 10GP, 5W, 2.50GAA, .912SV%, 0SO
S35 USA: 10GP, 7W, 3.30GAA, .881SV%, 0SO
S36 USA: 10GP, 4W, 3.65GAA, .884SV%, 0SO
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SMJHL PLAYOFF STATS
S28 STL: 5GP, 1W, 3.54GAA, .864SV%, 0SO
S29 STL: 16GP, 12W, 2.37GAA, .902SV%, 1SO
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SHL PLAYOFF STATS
S30 BUF: N/A
S31 BUF: N/A
S32 BUF: N/A
S33 BUF: 5GP, 1W, 3.78GAA, .895SV%, 0SO
S34 BUF: N/A
S35 BUF: 3GP, 0W, 4.02GAA, .896SV%, 0SO
S36 BUF: 7GP, 3W, 2.50GAA, .903SV%, 1SO
S37 BUF: 7GP, 3W, 2.15GAA, .936SV%, 0SO
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IIHF MEDAL ROUND STATS
S34 USA: 3GP, 3W, 1.33GAA, .946SV%, 2SO
S35 USA: 1GP, 0W, 3.19GAA, .902SV%, 0SO
S36 USA: N/A
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AWARDS:
S29 FOUR STAR CUP CHAMPION (STL)
S29 JERMAINE TENNYSON AWARD (BEST SMJHL GOALTENDER)
S34 IIHF GOLD MEDALIST (USA)
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TRANSACTIONS:
S28: SELECTED 3RD OVERALL (1ST ROUND) BY STL IN SMJHL DRAFT
S29: JOINED THE BUFFALO STAMPEDE
S29: SIGNED 1 YEAR/$1.000M ELC WITH BUF
S30: SIGNED 3 YEAR/$3.000M EXTENSION WITH BUF
S33: SIGNED 1 YEAR/$3.000M EXTENSION WITH BUF
S34: SIGNED 3 YEAR/$6.000M EXTENSION WITH BUF
S37: SIGNED 1 YEAR/$2.000M EXTENSION WITH BUF
S37: RETIRED


ADRIAN THOMAZ | C | RETIRED
NAME: ADRIAN THOMAZ
NATIONALITY: FINLAND
HEIGHT: 6'4"
WEIGHT: 220 LBS
NUMBER: 15
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SMJHL CAREER STATS
S19 STL: GP: 40, G: 7, A: 11, P: 18, +/-: +6
S20 STL: GP: 40, G: 11, A: 16, P: 27, +-: -6
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SHL CAREER STATS
S21 LAP: GP: 52, G: 11, A: 31, P: 42, +/-: E, H: 11
S22 LAP: GP: 52, G: 18, A: 25, P: 43, +/-: +9, H: 30
S23 LAP: GP: 52, G: 13, A: 25, P: 38, +/-: +2, H: 10
S24 LAP: GP: 52, G: 9, A: 30, P: 39, +/-: +17, H: 41
S25 BUF: GP: 50, G: 14, A: 28, P: 42, +/-: -3, H: 65
S26 BUF: GP: 50, G: 15, A: 26, P: 41, +/-: -8, H: 132
S27 BUF: GP: 50, G: 20, A: 23, P: 43, +/-: +7, H: 213
S28 BUF/WKP: GP: 49, G: 15, A: 28, P: 43, +/-: -2, H: 99
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SMJHL PLAYOFF STATS
S19 STL: GP: 15, G: 1, A: 4, P: 5, +/-: +3
S20 STL: GP: 19, G: 6, A: 10, P: 16, +/-: +7
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SHL PLAYOFF STATS
S21 LAP: GP: 5, G: 0, A: 3, P: 3, +/-: -1
S22 LAP: GP: 18, G: 4, A: 8, P: 12, +/-: +1
S23 LAP: GP: 7, G: 3, A: 2, P: 5, +/-: -1
S24 LAP: GP: 18, G: 8, A: 15, P: 23, +/-: +14
S25 BUF: N/A
S26 BUF: N/A
S27 BUF: N/A
S28 WKP: GP: 14, G: 5, A: 3, P: 8, +/-: +3
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AWARDS:
S20 FOUR STAR CUP CHAMPION (STL)
S21 POTOCZNY AWARD WINNER (LAP TEAM AWARD)
S27 JEFF DAR TROPHY NOMINEE
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TRANSACTIONS:
S19: SELECTED 24TH OVERALL (4TH ROUND) BY STL IN SMJHL DRAFT
S20: SELECTED 14TH OVERALL (2ND ROUND) BY LAP IN SHL DRAFT
S20: SIGNED 3 YEAR/$6.000M ELC WITH LAP
S21: NAMED ALTERNATE CAPTAIN FOR LAP
S22: SIGNED 6 YEAR/$26.000M EXTENSION WITH LAP
S25: JOINED THE BUFFALO STAMPEDE VIA EXPANSION
S26: RESTRUCTURED CONTRACT TO 3 YEARS/$9.000M WITH BUF
S28: TRADED FROM BUFFALO TO WEST KENDALL
S28: RETIRED


ANTERO SALMELAINEN | LW | RETIRED
NAME: ANTERO SALMELAINEN
NATIONALITY: FINLAND
HEIGHT: 6'5"
WEIGHT: 215 LBS
NUMBER: 32
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NWJHL CAREER STATS
S7 VAN: GP: 37, G: 26, A: 25, P: 51
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SHL CAREER STATS
S8-S19: GP: 600, G: 175, A: 204, P: 379
———————————————————————————————————
NWJHL PLAYOFF STATS
S7 VAN: GP: 7, G: 5, A: 9, P: 14
———————————————————————————————————
SHL PLAYOFF STATS
STATS LOST
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AWARDS:
S17 CHALLENGE CUP CHAMPION (LAP)
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TRANSACTIONS:
S7: DRAFTED 1ST OVERALL BY VANCOUVER IN NWJHL
S7: NAMED CAPTAIN OF WHALERS
S8: DRAFTED 1ST OVERALL BY EDMONTON IN SHL
S8: SIGNED 3-YEAR ELC WITH EDMONTON
S8: TRADED FROM EDMONTON TO WEST KENDALL
S11: SIGNED 5-YEAR, $15.000 M DEAL WITH WEST KENDALL
S12: TRADED FROM WEST KENDALL TO TEXAS
S12: TRADED FROM TEXAS TO CALGARY
S15: TRADED FROM CALGARY TO LOS ANGELES
S18: TRADED FROM LOS ANGELES TO NEW ENGLAND


BRANDON HOLMES | RW | HALL OF FAME | STAMPEDE FOUNDER
NAME: BRANDON HOLMES
NATIONALITY: USA
HEIGHT: 6'2"
WEIGHT: 208 LBS
NUMBER: 17
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NWJHL CAREER STATS
PGF: GP: 20, G: 12, A: 10, P: 22
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SHL CAREER STATS
WKP: GP: 220, G: 82, A: 97, P: 179
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NWJHL PLAYOFF STATS
PGF: GP: 10, G: 7, A: 7, P: 14
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SHL PLAYOFF STATISTICS
WKP: GP: 45, G: 18, A: 20, P: 38
———————————————————————————————————
AWARDS:
S1 BRANDON HOLMES AWARD WINNER
S1 FOUR STAR CUP CHAMPION (PGF)
S2 CHALLENGE CUP CHAMPION/(WKP)
S3 ALL-STAR GAME MVP
S3 MATHIAS CHOUINARD AWARD WINNER
S4 IHF TOURNAMENT GOLD MEDALIST (USA)
S5 CHALLENGE CUP CHAMPION (WKP)
INDUCTED INTO SHL HALL OF FAME
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TRANSACTIONS:
DRAFTED 4TH OVERALL BY WEST KENDALL IN THE S2 DRAFT
SIGNED 3-YR/$7.5MIL DEAL WITH WEST KENDALL
NAMED ALTERNATE CAPTAIN OF THE PLATOON FOR S3
SIGNED 3-YR/$6 MIL EXTENSION WITH WEST KENDALL

Originally posted by ORIGINSZ@Jan 3 2016, 03:11 PM


Where would he fit on the ducks lol they deeper than tampa

They're not as deep imo, they're top-heavy. They don't have a LWer that I'd consider a top 6 LW and they only have 4 top 6 forwards in the lineup right now.

???-Getzlaf-Perry
???-Kesler-Silf

Then you've got a bunch of meh pieces to fill in the rest (Aside from Rakell who I like but prefer him as a center)

Maroon, Horcoff, Thompson, Stewart, Sekac, Cogliano, Hagelin, Santorelli

I'd love to pick up Drouin (Even at the expense of one of the defenders like Vatanen, a prospect and a 1st or 2nd)

Rakell-Getzlaf-Perry
Drouin-Kesler-Silf
Hagelin-Horcoff-Cogliano
Sekac-Thompson-Santo/Stewart

Fowler(When Healthy)-Despres (When Healthy)
Lindholm-Bieksa/Manson
Stoner-Theodore

Thank you to My boys @Merica and @Ragnar for the lovely sigs!

Gotta think Detroit has heavy interest in him.

Originally posted by Brandon@Jan 3 2016, 03:13 PM

I feel like this might be the Devils opportunity to trade from their position of strength (defense) for a real legitimate youth on offense, Drouin could be the long term solution we're looking for at center and we have the pieces to give up on our backend, we could even take back a bad contract from Tampa like Coburn or something to make it work, and that way they also have more cap space in the summer to sign Stamkos.

If Tampa was giving up a bad contract it would be Carle since they don't want him. I don't know how much the Bolts would be looking at defense in a trade like this one, If it was an upgrade over Sustr or Nesterov it might be worth it, but I think they might be looking up front for impact up front. (Which is why I don't see the Ducks picking him up either as much as I'd like them to :( ) You figure they have Stamkos, Palat, Kucherov, Johnson Killorn and Namestnikov all due raises either this off-season or next. I don't see them being able to re-sign all of them unless they get the feel Vasilevsky is ready to be a starter (I think he could be) and move Bishop.

Thank you to My boys @Merica and @Ragnar for the lovely sigs!

Brett Connolly and pick(s)

Originally posted by Shevy Shev@Jan 3 2016, 03:28 PM
Brett Connolly and pick(s)

:lol:

Thank you to My boys @Merica and @Ragnar for the lovely sigs!

Most points per 60 on the team and is better without Stamkos on a line with him statistically. Absolute joke that the Bolts are handling him how they are.

Originally posted by Shevy Shev@Jan 3 2016, 04:28 PM
Brett Connolly and pick(s)

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[pbchi] Niccolo Livius || LW/C || San Francisco|| TPE: 805

Name: Niccolo Livius
Age: 21
Birthplace: Florance, Italy
Height: 6'3"
Weight: 300 lbs
Number: 31
------------------------------------------------------------
Career Statistics:
SMJHL Regular Season:
Newfoundland Berserkers S53->S57, Anaheim Outlaws S57
S53 | 50 GP | 7 G | 5 A | 12 P | +10 | 48 Hits | 12 PIM | 0/0 FW/FT
S54 | 50 GP | 6 G | 11 A | 17 P | +5 | 86 Hits | 30 PIM | 4/6 FW/FT
S55 | 50 GP | 3 G | 7 A | 10 P | +6 | 49 Hits | 49 PIM | 3/7 FW/FT
S56 | 50 GP | 11 G | 8 A | 19 P | +4 | 116 Hits | 80 PIM | 11/12 FW/FT
S57 | 66 GP | 4 G | 9 A | 13 P | -10 | 238 Hits | 133 PIM | 7/17 FW/FT
Career | 266 GP | 31 G | 40 A | 71 P | +15 | 537 Hits | 254 PIM | 25/42 FW/FT
------------------------------------------------------------
SMJHL Playoffs:
S53 | 7 GP | 0 G | 0 A | 0 P | -1 | 9 Hits | 0 PIM | 0/0 FW/FT
S54 | 14 GP | 2 G | 1 A | 3 P | +1 | 19 Hits | 10 PIM | 0/2 FW/FT
S55 | 17 GP | 1 G | 0 A | 1 P | 0 | 12 Hits | 17 PIM | 2/3 FW/FT
S56 | 17 GP | 1 G | 7 A | 8 P | +8 | 34 Hits | 17 PIM | 3/3 FW/FT
S57 | 21 GP | 9 G | 7 A | 16 P | +3 | 104 Hits | 43 PIM | 4/5 FW/FT
Career | 76 GP | 13 G | 15 A | 28 P | +11 | 178 Hits | 87 PIM | 9/13 FW/FT
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IIHF World Juniors Round Robin - Team World:
S53 | 12 GP | 0 G | 2 A | 2 P | -3 | 19 Hits | 6 PIM | 0/0 FW/FT
S54 | 12 GP | 1 G | 1 A | 2 P | -2 | 17 Hits | 5 PIM | 1/1 FW/FT
S55 | 12 GP | 3 G | 1 A | 4 P | -2 | 17 Hits | 23 PIM | 2/3 FW/FT
S56 | 12 GP |3 G | 3 A | 6 P | -1 | 20 Hits | 12 PIM | 0/2 FW/FT
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IIHF World Juniors Playoffs - Team World:
S53 | 1 GP | 0 G | 0 A | 0 P | -1 | 1 Hits | 0 PIM | 0/0 FW/FT
S54 | 1 GP | 0 G | 0 A | 0 P | -1 | 0 Hits | 0 PIM | 0/0 FW/FT
S55 | 1 GP | 0 G | 0 A | 0 P | +0 | 0 Hits | 0 PIM | 0/0 FW/FT
S56 | 2 GP | 1 G | 1 A | 2 P | +0 | 5 Hits | 5 PIM | 0/1 FW/FT
------------------------------------------------------------
SHL Regular Season:
San Francisco Pride S58-> Present
S58 | 66 GP | 5 G | 4 A | 9 P | -24 | 249 Hits | 100 PIM | 0/2 FW/FT
S59 | 66 GP | 7 G | 2 A | 9 P | -20 | 191 Hits | 46 PIM | 0/0 FW/FT
S60 | 66 GP | 8 G | 8 A | 16 P | -25 | 376 Hits | 157 PIM | 2/4 FW/FT
Career| 198 GP | 20 G | 14 A | 34 P | -69 | 816 Hits | 303 PIM | 2/4 FW/FT
------------------------------------------------------------
SHL Playoffs:
S59 | 6 GP | 2 G | 1 A | 3 P | +0 | 5 Hits | 0 PIM | 0/0 FW/FT
S60 | 5 GP | 1 G | 0 A | 1 P | -4 | 22 Hits | 4 PIM | 0/0 FW/FT
Career | 11 GP | 3 G | 1 A | 4 P | -4 | 27 Hits | 4 PIM | 0/0 FW/FT
------------------------------------------------------------
Career Notes:
S53 - Drafted R4 OA33 in SMJHL Draft by Newfoundland Berserkers
S54 - Drafted last R5 OA71 in SHL Draft by Chicago Syndicate
S55 - Drafted in SMJHL Expansion Drafted 1OA by Nevada Battleborn
S55 - Traded from Nevada to Newfoundland for a 1st Round Pick and cap space
S57 - Traded from Newfoundland to Anaheim for a 2nd Round Pick
S58 - Signed with San Francisco in SHL
------------------------------------------------------------
Career Awards:
Voted League's Toughest Player: S54 (FHM)
SMJHL Champion: S55
WJC S56: Bronze Medal

Originally posted by Shevy Shev@Jan 3 2016, 03:28 PM
Brett Connolly and pick(s)

Thanks Jove for my sig

Originally posted by Dangles13@Jan 3 2016, 03:22 PM
Gotta think Detroit has heavy interest in him.

What? Why?

Originally posted by Gibby the Red Nosed Reindeer@Jan 3 2016, 04:22 PM

What? Why? 

Larkin for Drouin good trade, eh?

Originally posted by Shevy Shev@Jan 3 2016, 04:23 PM

Larkin for Drouin good trade, eh?

I'd walk out on the Red Wings

Originally posted by Gibby the Red Nosed Reindeer@Jan 3 2016, 03:22 PM

What? Why? 

Why wouldn't they want to help Yzerman out?